dk: Explain to me how mandating that we HIRE these private insurance companies (the 'mandate') is putting them out of business? It's *welfare* for them!

Yes, Obama *did* say he wanted the public option but that was long before that got thrown out. THIS law isn't going to get that done. Not even close. But I agree with you that it's NOT going to solve our health care problems. At least not as I see them. It doesn't solve access problems, costs, excessive profit motives, legal problems, etc.

If you look at the actual profit margins for insurance companies you'll find it's not really that much. One of many examples would be pre-existing conditions.

You have no insurance. You get cancer. The insurance company has to insure you and cover all or most of the cost. That's not how insurance works.

How long would car insurance last if you could buy it after the crash and make them foot the bill for the repair?

Add that fact that many large employers will drop coverage and force people onto the government plans. It's cheaper for them in the long haul. Hell, they've already been handing out wavers to large corporations to keep them from doing that very thing... until after the 2012 elections of course.

If you go back and listen to everything Obama said you'll know that this is only the first step to a single payer system. He said back then the American people would never go for it out of the gate. It's called incrementalism. That's how liberals implement their left agenda.

The folks never go for their policies as stated so they slip them in a little at a time over the years.

The concept is simple. The government NEVER fixes anything, they only make it worse.

dk: I see what you're saying but there is one part of your logic that is a bit flawed.

When you said "you have no insurance, you get cancer...". Well, that would be true if the *mandate* didn't exist. As I understand it - correct me if I'm wrong - the mandate says everyone has to have coverage. Now, surely a small percentage of those people will have cancer but most won't. In addition, the uninsured are disproportionatly young people who don't have access to employer-paid plans or have elected no coverage (usually for economic reasons when the employee-paid portion is substantial).

Part of the rationalization for this (right, wrong or indifferent) is to get EVERYONE into the risk pool.

Well, it came to a vote.

Republicans failed.

Actually we're narrowing it down to who needs to go in 2012. And we'll keep doing it right up to voting time when we clean out the rest of them. Obamacare will never survive. Go ahead bookmark this post and we'll revisit when the job is done.

BTW. Obamacare for the moment is legally dead anyway. The Democrats have failed.

Lassen,
You are wrong. The US Supreme Court is the decider on the constitutionality and not a lower court. Please re-read your Civics from high school.

'Nuff said. Talk to the hand.

Love how T is alway spouting incorrect, bogus and misleading info and then insults everyone and leaves. Like I've always said "What a Maroon!!"

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Richie and Lassen -

Instead of "talking to the hand", just talk to half of the peace sign.

Tbugs you have to about the most ignorant person on this board in a long time. I have let may of you snide remarks pass, but I think you should learn to keep them to yourself. This is not the first time you have degraded other posters but I can no longer keep silent.

I'm sorry, but enough is enough.

Another myth busted...
 

So earlier I posted statistics on the new "medical travel" industry that shows more than ten times the number of people going overseas for medical treatment than those overseas coming here.

Now it's the "everyone has health care" and "nobody gets turned away" myth.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/newss...hospitals.html

I grant you they say PART of the reason this person was turned down was because MA requires health insurance and this NH resident didn't have any. But read the rest of the article. It shows you that a hospital CAN and WILL deny services that THEY deem non-emergency. The guy had a broken jaw and was sent to Lowell MA for surgery.