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the left will not be laughing when the real problems with Obamacare rear their ugly heads in the next year or so, and then they will be sorry they did not support this very moderate measure, as witnessed by the complaints of the conservatives. perhaps Trump is smarter than we think.

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Exactly!! This is a huge defeat for the democrats and a huge defeat for the American people. President Trump stated several times that the best thing that the republicans could do politically would be to do nothing and just let Obamacare die a slow death. The problem with that is it is going to hurt a lot of American citizens. Now that will happen and the democrats will own it.

Right now more insurance companies are opting out of the exchanges. Five estates have only one insurer. Premiums went up and average of 26% with Arizona leading the charge with a 116% increase. As premiums increased so did deductibles while coverage increased. This monster cannot be sustained. It's a simple math problem. It will now die a slow death causing chaos until the democrats decided to stop playing politics and work with the republicans to find a fix.

People say that the Freedom Caucus is to blame for it not passing when some of them were ready to vote aye. Some moderate republicans were going to vote no. They had about 211 of the 216 votes that they needed. Not one democrat was going to vote for it. If five democrats decided to do what was right for the country instead of what they thought was right for their party, it would have passed. Instead we will look forward to turmoil and suffering caused by the Affordable Care Act.

As far as President Trump being a failure, we are now 64 days into a 1461 day term. Kennedy started out very poorly as did Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton's first 100 days were a disaster.

Buy the way for those of you saying that he's done nothing, here's an partial list of his accomplishments so far.

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Clean Water Act: President Trump signed an executive order calling for a review of an Obama-era rule expanding the number of bodies of water under environmental protection.



Historically Black Colleges and Universities: President Trump signed an executive order moving the federal initiative on HBCUs directly to the White House instead of under the Department of Education in order to "promote excellence," the White House said.



Women in Science: President Trump signed two bills aiming to promote women in the STEM fields. The Protecting Women in Entrepreneurship Act calls on the National Science Foundation to "recruit and support women to expand their focus into the commercial world in its entrepreneurial programs. The Inspiring the Next Space Pioneers, Innovators, Researchers and Explorers Women Act requires NASA to encourage women and girls to study science, technology, engineering and mathematics.



Gun Control: President Trump signed a bill nullifying an Obama-era rule aimed at blocking gun sales to people found to be mentally ill.



February 24



Regulatory Reform: President Trump signed an executive order to direct federal agencies to evaluate existing regulations. The action is part of Trump's plan to eliminate what he views as overreaching, "job-killing" restrictions.



February 16



Stream Protection: President Trump signed House Joint Resolution 38, which scraps an Obama administration environmental rule to protect waterways from coal mining waste. Trump's administration said the rule puts mining companies at a competitive disadvantage.



February 14



Anti-Corruption Repeal: President Trump signed House Joint Resolution 41, which wipes away a federal rule that requires energy companies to disclose royalties and government payments. The rule was imposed by the Obama administration last year as a transparency measure. Trump's government said it puts U.S. energy companies at a disadvantage.



February 9



Police Protection: Trump signed an order to review existing laws and produce legislation to better protect federal, state and local law enforcement officers. The action is a response to increased attacks against officers in the past year.



Crime Reduction: The president ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to create a new federal task force to share information among agencies, develop strategies, identify deficiencies in current laws, evaluate criminal data and make recommendations for greater safety of U.S. citizens.



Foreign Crime Fighting: Trump issued an executive order prioritizing efforts to prosecute foreign-based crimes like drug and human trafficking. It calls for stricter enforcement of laws already on the books and efforts to "identify, interdict, disrupt, and dismantle transnational criminal organizations."



February 3



Wall Street Regulation: Trump signed an executive order to ease U.S. fiscal regulations in the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 -- which was a response to the financial crisis and Great Recession that Trump's administration called "overreaching."



Money Manager Rule: The president ordered the Labor Department to review a rule from former President Barack Obama requiring financial managers to act in their clients' best interests when handling retirement accounts. The department will determine whether such a mandate is necessary.



January 31



Supreme Court: Trump nominated federal appellate Judge Neil McGill Gorsuch to replace Associate Justice Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court. Some Democrats promised to filibuster the confirmation process after Republicans refused to hold hearings on former President Barack Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland after Scalia's death.



January 30



Federal regulations: Trump signed an executive order requiring that for every new federal regulation on small and large businesses, two existing regulations must be removed. He signed the document after a meeting with small business leaders. Trump said he wants to end regulatory discrepancy between big and small business.



CIA in the NSC: White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the CIA was added to Trump's National Security Council -- something that wasn't done by former President Barack Obama due to the creation of the national intelligence director post in 2005.



January 28



National Security Council: Trump reorganized the council, adding his chief strategist, Steve Bannon. The council is a panel of officials, most of them Cabinet level, who work with the president to determine the best course of action on security issues.



January 27



Military strength: Trump signed an executive order to provide new resources and equipment to strengthen the U.S. military. The order promises to "rebuild" American armed forces and upgrade national and global security as part of a strategy that dictates "peace through strength." The order directs Defense Secretary James Mattis to assess the country's military and nuclear capabilities.



Visa vetting: Trump signed an executive order that calls for more intensive security checks for foreign nationals seeking U.S. travel visas. The action stems from a controversial proposal Trump made during his campaign -- to prevent certain refugees from nations of concern, like Iraq and Syria, from reaching U.S. shores until they can be cleared.



January 25



Border security: Trump signed an executive action directing federal agencies to prepare for "immediate construction" of a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border -- a controversial project that was at the center of his presidential campaign.



Immigration enforcement: The president signed an executive order to strip federal grant money from so-called "sanctuary cities" -- U.S. municipalities that protect undocumented immigrants from federal prosecution. Trump's order also seeks to hire 10,000 additional immigration officers, build more detention centers and prioritize immigrants for deportation.



January 24



Oil pipelines: Trump signed executive orders that would make it possible to complete the Dakota Access and restart the process for the construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada.



January 23



Abortion: Trump signed a presidential memorandum reviving a rule that prevents U.S. funds from going to certain health charities around the world that counsel on abortions. Known as the Mexico City policy, it was first instituted by former President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and has been on and off the books ever since.



Trans-Pacific Partnership: Trump signed a presidential memorandum withdrawing the United States from the trade deal with Asia. The pact has been criticized by people skeptical of its benefits and worried over its potential to kill U.S. jobs. Proponents of the deal worry that pulling out could harm relations with key allies in the region.



Federal workforce: Trump ordered a temporary hiring freeze for federal workers, except for the military and certain security positions.



January 20



Obamacare: Within hours of his inauguration, Trump took his first step toward appealing the Affordable Care Act, signing an executive order calling on government agencies to "ease the burden" of the policy.



Trump's order asked federal agencies to "prepare to afford the states more flexibility and control to create a more free and open healthcare market."



Homeowners insurance: The new president also suspended a scheduled insurance rate cut for new homeowners, which had been set by Barack Obama's government. The cut would have reduced annual insurance premiums for new Federal Housing Administration loans by 25 basis points -- from 0.85 to 0.60.



Federal regulations: Trump also ordered a freeze on all new federal regulations that had not been finalized.

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Doesn't that make you feel good? Betting against your country must make you feel real clean, right Davie? Did Trump ever say he never failed? But, he is a winner so don't bet too much of your money against America, because Trump hasn't even finished round one. It's only been two months and he has accomplished more than Obie did in two years. So, save your money and don't bet against your country.

MDLBQ, you are a proud Trumpfer, aren't you? Look up Trumpfer, by the way.

Go play with your sheep.

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Interesting to see how the left is rooting for failure in America. By the middle of this year, Obamacare will be defunct if not replaced. Only a leftard would insist on going down with the sinking ship when a lifeboat has been offered. Only the left wishes to see America fail. Pretty UN-Patriotic to say the least.

Trump did exactly what he promised. He has pushed an alternative for the failed ObieCare. He didn't fail, the children in congress failed. Trump has pushed for immigration reform to shore up national security. The left sabotaged it by using partisan politics to illegally put a halt to his moratorium on visas for certain countries. The judge said his decision was not based on the EO but on what Trump might have thought last year when he was running a campaign. A left wing judge that was in cahoots with Obama.

Trump is not failing. Trump is sacrificing his time and effort for his country. How many of you liberals have ever done anything for your country?

Once we get past this and Trump gets past the liberal hindering, the left won't be cheering anymore...they'll be complaining about his hair, his skin color, his son, his wife, his daughter or even global warming. It won't be on the issues, because they know that America want's what Trump is attempting to do. The ironic thing is that he is a former Democrat, doing moderate things that the left thought was OK for Obama to do, and it is the left fighting him as well as the far right. I am surprised that the left seeing the far right fighting him, don't join him in his attempt to get these things done. But, it is obvious that for the left, it is not the policies but the man that they do not support.

To be honest I'm tempted to reply but won't.

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The right needs to be honest and just come out and admit that they don't really care if the poor, minorities or the currently unhealthy...have health insurance.

One of the main problems with the ACA, is that the penalty for not having healthcare is too low and consequently the large pool of those who don't 'think' they need it...would rather pay the penalty than become part of the pool needed.

Whether it be home/car/health/etc insurance to work (with private insurers), means you will ALWAYS have to have those who won't use it so that here is enough money for those who will...and that isn't happening with the current form of ACA.

Having people paying that don't use it, is the ONLY WAY ANY insurance model can be sustained...unless the government is using tax money to pay for it.

The fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans support insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions (even a large number of hard-core righties)...has been well established.

The problem with that is the FACT that they either aren't smart enough, or refuse to think about how insurers can afford to do that...without having a large pool of healthy participants.

It is no different than the requirement to carry vehicle insurance, even if you have never filed a claim. Why is it that most people accept that we should protect an inanimate object...but not a fellow citizens life? :ohdear:

What continues to amaze me are the vast numbers of heartless Americans that have the 'I got mine, screw you' mentality.

The answer for many on the right, is that they think someone is getting something they didn't earn (and in some cases, that is true) so they would rather watch other American citizens suffer...than let that small % get health insurance.

To me, that is the ultimate in selfishness and black-hearted thinking/philosophy...that I don't believe this great country stands for.

So, as I said, this country needs to decide if the health of its citizens is something that is more important than protecting its automobiles...or nothing will change.

As for the ACA 'imploding,' either through ignorance, or lack of knowledge, or even outright denial, critics of it forget that healthcare premiums and the cost of healthcare... had been rising dramatically and unabated for decades.

Which was LONG before ACA.

I wish you people on the right would just be honest enough to come right out and admit that since the people who are most helped by ACA (or single-payer) are the poor, minorities, women and the ones not as fortunate as a lot of us...so you don't really care about them anyway.

So c'mon you cold-hearted and lying righties, just stand up and go ahead and admit that you don't give a $hit about those people...because we all know it by your actions anyway.

And if you by some chance aren't actually part of that selfish, cold-hearted and Un-American right-wingers...take a minute to stop and think about what I mentioned above.

Here's a good article that spells out the fundamental party differences...that is at the root of our national healthcare issue.

America needs to decide: is health care something we owe our citizens? - Vox

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And so we find ourselves here again. We are in a better starting place than we were in 2008. The ACA’s greatest success lies in how much it tipped the scales in favor of social solidarity. No one is going to take health care away from all of the 20 million the ACA added.

It is now the new normal to think, for example, that 26-year-olds should be insured and, in some states, that poor single men deserve health care, too. Even President Trump, as quoted above, embraced the new baseline Obama left behind, claiming everyone would be covered.

And that baseline is a reason we have a healthy number of republican governors and senators now telling the House to slow down and rethink its thoughtless cuts. That’s a remarkable legacy for the ACA. It sounds a lot like solidarity.

young people would have been encouraged to have health ins under the republican bill because first of all they did not have to buy coverage they did not need., such as drug treatment if they knew they were not into that lifestyle, and middle class families would have received tax credits to help them afford their ins payments. instead they are just paying penalties which are not enough to cover the costs of all the other older sick people. it would have been wise for the dems to support this plan.

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Sorry, but you're dead wrong.

Trumpcare would have reduced the number of people who have healthcare...as well as continued the rise of ALL healthcare costs.

Just like car insurance that you 'don't need' because you don't file claims, there HAS to be a pool of those of us who will never file...for insurance to work.

"Encouraging" young people...is far from mandating it.

It still boils down to the basic political philosophy differences I outlined in my previous post...and you've shown nothing that disputes it.

Instead of parsing bits of Trumpcare, at least be honest enough to admit that you don't really care if all American citizens have healthcare...because if you did you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.

Is that so hard? :shrug:

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

having health insurance and having health care are not the same thing...of course the ideal is for everyone to have insurance, but we always have had and always will have the safety net for those who can't afford it....even illegal immigrants receive health care at the expense of the US taxpayer! the goal is to have good health care! when doctors are not accepting either the insurance nor the medicaid, then we do not have good health CARE! and the same is true for when deductibles are so high that the insurance is basically useless.

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having health insurance and having health care are not the same thing...

True...to a degree.

While they're not the same, having the insurance certainly allows a much better level of care.

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of course the ideal is for everyone to have insurance, but we always have had and always will have the safety net for those who can't afford it....

Absolutely false.

What is this supposed 'safety net' of which you speak?

If you're talking about using the emergency room...then you are woefully ignorant of what EMTALA actually does.

Do you think you can go to the ER and get your chemo/radiation treatments for cancer on a schedule?

Do you think you can use the ER for wellness checkups, which are critical to ensuring that you can actually catch something early?

Have you ever heard of a woman getting a mammogram at an ER?

I could go on ad naseum, but you have been fed (and apparently believe) the lies from those who fit the description of the selfish, cold-hearted and black-hearted...I previously described.

In fact, these lies are being told for the sole purpose to try and make any decent Republicans feel better about opposing things like the ACA...or helping those less fortunate.

Because if they didn't believe that "ah heck, those people get health care anyway so why should I care"...then they would have OT admit to themselves that they truly are self-serving.

Which is why I asked above, why can't y'all just frigging admit it? :oops:

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even illegal immigrants receive health care at the expense of the US taxpayer!

LOL

That's what I thought you were going to say, so I've already addressed it above.

BUT, if you are a decent human being then educate yourself and then if you feel the same way...at least have the honesty and decency to admit that you don't give a $hit about others.

And yes, there will be times when undocumented human beings slip past and get medical treatment...so what?

In fact, I've had people tell me that they would rather deny free ER care to legal American citizens...rather than let even ONE illegal get it.

How depraved does one have to be...to feel that way? :ohdear:

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia

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the goal is to have good health care! when doctors are not accepting either the insurance nor the medicaid, then we do not have good health CARE! and the same is true for when deductibles are so high that the insurance is basically useless.

Of course there are issues regarding the cost of care itself outside of the insurance, but let's first get all American citizens covered...so they have the ability to at least see a doctor.

Or are you going to finally admit...that you don't care about those people anyway?

I guarantee, there will be a handful of others here that will be piping in very soon and admitting that they don't give a $hit about other American citizens having health insurance...thereby proving me correct

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

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Sorry, but you're dead wrong.

Trumpcare would have reduced the number of people who have healthcare...as well as continued the rise of ALL healthcare costs.

Just like car insurance that you 'don't need' because you don't file claims, there HAS to be a pool of those of us who will never file...for insurance to work.

"Encouraging" young people...is far from mandating it.

It still boils down to the basic political philosophy differences I outlined in my previous post...and you've shown nothing that disputes it.

Instead of parsing bits of Trumpcare, at least be honest enough to admit that you don't really care if all American citizens have healthcare...because if you did you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.

Is that so hard? :shrug:

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

But that's just it...there ISN'T the pool of people who never need it. Almost everyone has medical costs during their lifetime. The average is $1 million per person...960 $1,000 payments...80 years worth...and most of that is spent in the last year of life. For ANY system, we need "death panels" who determine justification. A 90 year old shouldn't get $ millions to keep him alive another few months. A very early preemie that will NEVER live a decent life, shouldn't be saved at ALL cost. We can't afford to do whatever it takes for everyone.

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If you want a $ million worth of healthcare during your life...it'll cost over $1,000 a month...per person. It's math, it's economics, it's what it costs.

Trump sacrifices time and effort for his country

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[/b]trump is not failing. Trump is sacrificing his time and effort for his country. How many of you liberals have ever done anything for your country.
and why don't you enlighten us what you have done for your country. How dare you make a general statement assuming because someone doesn't agree with you they haven't done anything for their country. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Saying he will never take a vacation while president but....
Taking vacation every week and costing us $millions.....not serving the country but getting bogus medical military deferments.....and taking a purple heart from a veteran who actually earned it

just want you to know that i was a paramedic/firefighter for 20 years, my son is a captain in the us army and we both see you, and the rest of the trumpsters as people who don't want our country to be the best it can be, and blame everyone else for your mistakes and stupidity.

i don't know where to start with answering some of these posts....the safety net is medicaid. if you think illegals don't get health care, let me relate my experience at Tampa Gen Hospital when my LEGAL immigrant husband was dying and in a coma in intensive care for 16 days...the social worker asked me if he was here legally, and i of course told her all he went through to get here legally. her response? "Oh, that's too bad, because if he were here illegally there are government programs to pay for that." in addition, when my granddaughter was being treated for cancer at Denver Children's hospital, many if not the majority of the patients were from countries in latin america and i am sure they did not have the means to pay for this care. my daughter and her husband are still paying bills from their American child's life saving care which thank God was almost eight years ago and she is well. they are not complaining about paying these bills....they do not expect the govt to take care of them. and no one should.
as for the comments about ER not doing mammograms etc, it has been my experience that most states have programs for women who can't afford one or have no insurance.

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Anecdotal stories are a dime a dozen and anyone can say anything...without witnesses.

How about you do a little research and prove what this social worker supposedly told you about how undocumented immigrants can get hospital bills/health care covered...is actually true?

Like I said previously, under EMTALA, PUBLIC (NOT private) hospitals are obligated to stabilize all patients (regardless of citizenship status)...coming into the ER with acute/life threatening medical issues.

That doesn't however, cover cancer treatment, wellness checkups. mammograms or...chronic health issues.

In addition, the ACA does not legally allow undocumented workers health insurance either.

Illegal immigrants are covered under the health care law, chain email says | PolitiFact Florida

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The Affordable Care Act contains an individual mandate that requires individuals to purchase health insurance. It allows U.S. citizens and legal residents to purchase insurance on health insurance exchanges, often receiving tax credits.

But none of it applies to people who are here illegally. They don’t have to follow the mandate because they shouldn’t be here. They remain ineligible for regular Medicaid coverage, just as they are ineligible for food stamps. They cannot obtain coverage through state-based health insurance exchanges (thus, they are also ineligible for tax credits to offset the cost of getting that coverage).

Now, certain low-income illegal immigrants are eligible for emergency Medicaid coverage, including childbirth and surgery. And federal law requires hospitals not to turn away individuals for emergency treatment, even if they are uninsured (or undocumented), according to the National Immigration Law Center.

But those policies predate the Affordable Care Act.

"They don’t get health insurance, which is coverage, which is different than a hospital getting reimbursed for Medicaid," said Laura Goodhue, executive director of Florida Chain, a consumer health advocacy group.

Having said that, there are SOME localities that have chosen to give SOME care to undocumented immigrants...but it is NOT required under federal law.

But unlike what you (and many of the other selfish/cold-hearted righties) believe...those that are here illegally are NOT entitled to health care.

I'm sorry if the truth clashes with what you were told, and apparently believe, by those who have the attitude of... 'I got mine...screw you.'

Speaking of which, going back to one of my earlier posts....why don't you have the guts and honesty to just admit that's how you feel? :confused:

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

There you go...(unt told chachacha she is a liar!

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