to begin to discuss the issues facing this country.

I hope that the Republican congress will make good on Obama's promise that he, for some reason could not, and have an open discussion about health care on national television for all of us to hear having both sides represented at all time and no closed door discussions.

Before repeal, let us dissect what this WH and congress passed and finally share it with us...all of it.

Just a suggestion

oh, bucco...i wish john boehner could read your post! i so fear that all we will get from him is another arrogant attitude! and i am so sick and tired of attitude, arrogance, braggadocio, etc from reid, pelosi, obama, mcconnell, etc! they all talk so much that they can't hear the pleas of the people! alas, another cycle of hope!

Originally Posted by njbchbum

oh, bucco...i wish john boehner could read your post! i so fear that all we will get from him is another arrogant attitude! and i am so sick and tired of attitude, arrogance, braggadocio, etc from reid, pelosi, obama, mcconnell, etc! they all talk so much that they can't hear the pleas of the people! alas, another cycle of hope!

I sure hope not....this government has been totally out of control for two years. Republicans need not get a big head over tonight...as Rubio said in his acceptance speech, and this is a paraphras...this is not a annointing of the Republicans but a second chance.

The Republicans better step up and the President has to step up. I sincerely believe that we need an REAL OPEN TRANSPARENT attempt at health care COST REDUCTION, as this current bill does not even address costs AT ALL !

One theory going around is that winning the House will assure Obama's re-election in 2012 because they will, with their swelled heads, try to lead a charge and come off as arrogant and "business as usual".

Does anyone actually believe the election-day rhetoric of "changing the way Washington works"?

If the GOP leads the charge with "tax cuts for the rich" and "protecting marriage" and other wedge issues, they'll lose in 2012.

If, as an example, they come up with a cogent plan for balancing the budget that involves SHARED SACRIFICE - because Americans WILL sacrifice *if* they believe everyone is being asked to contribute - they'll storm to power in 2012. When they campaign on specifics, like the Contract for America, they can really get that message out in a good manner.

I think there is way too much analyzing in my opinion. I think people just voted their pocketbook and their fear of losing their jobs.

Watch the jobs come rolling back, fix the faulty legislation from the last two years and the Senate will fall in 2012, too.

And exactly how is Washington going to create jobs? Does *anyone* think that, with a Democrat Senate and GOP House that they'll suddenly come together and sing Kum-bay-ya?

It'll be paralysis, just like 1994 - and that might well be a GOOD thing as America figures out how to prosper under the current rules without Washington changing them - just like 1994.

Originally Posted by djplong

One theory going around is that winning the House will assure Obama's re-election in 2012 because they will, with their swelled heads, try to lead a charge and come off as arrogant and "business as usual".

Does anyone actually believe the election-day rhetoric of "changing the way Washington works"?

If the GOP leads the charge with "tax cuts for the rich" and "protecting marriage" and other wedge issues, they'll lose in 2012.

If, as an example, they come up with a cogent plan for balancing the budget that involves SHARED SACRIFICE - because Americans WILL sacrifice *if* they believe everyone is being asked to contribute - they'll storm to power in 2012. When they campaign on specifics, like the Contract for America, they can really get that message out in a good manner.

Well, you went a different way that the original idea was !

I just HOPED that perhaps we could get an airing IN PUBLIC of what is in the current health bill as the President promised but did not do. I just HOPE there could be an airing of how this will be paid for PUBLICLY !

And further hope that perhaps we could actually address health care COSTS which the current bill just totally ignored !

Gridlock is a gooooood thing!, in fact it would be a blessing if the Congress only met for a day or 2 every few months and for a short time, the more those bozo's meet, the more taxes and regulation of the masses falls on us.

on the Obama promises.
And for lack of delivery he, Pelosi and Reid lead the cause for last nights results.

The Republicans now should be viewing this turn over as their last gasp. As a result they must make good on their promises.

If they do not 2012 will not default back to the Democrats. I think there will be the re-birthing of an alternate to the Democrats or Republicans.

Generating programs that will result in jobs can be a no brainer if the attitudes toward making it happen parallel JFK's announcement of putting a man on the moon.

The objective of energy independence is frought with opportunity to create jobs...wind mill development and manufacturing... increasing the number of nuclear facilities...increased drilling within the US boundary...increase drilling off shore...and so on.

Provide incentives to companies to bring manufacturing back to the US...make them compete with foreign manufacturers (no unions!!).

If we the people do our job and harass our representatives...they will have to move in the direction to benefit the constituency or they will not get re-elected.

There is potential for a revolution.....yes.....DO SOMETHING that matters resulting in the improvements needed to create jobs. Everything else will fall in place.

There is also one other very important ingredient that just has to change....partisan politics/game playing.

The potential to make a difference is greater than the potential for failure....in my opinion.

btk

Originally Posted by djplong

One theory going around is that winning the House will assure Obama's re-election in 2012 because they will, with their swelled heads, try to lead a charge and come off as arrogant and "business as usual".

Does anyone actually believe the election-day rhetoric of "changing the way Washington works"?

If the GOP leads the charge with "tax cuts for the rich" and "protecting marriage" and other wedge issues, they'll lose in 2012.

If, as an example, they come up with a cogent plan for balancing the budget that involves SHARED SACRIFICE - because Americans WILL sacrifice *if* they believe everyone is being asked to contribute - they'll storm to power in 2012. When they campaign on specifics, like the Contract for America, they can really get that message out in a good manner.

Conservatism, like abstinence, works every time it's tried.

The pundits predicted the "do nothing" Republicans were sealing their minority status. Look how that prediction panned out.

Wake up and smell the coffee as they used to say.

If I can, waddle back to the original premise of this thread.

Does nobody but me want the health care situation reopened for PUBLIC debate without the backroom deals ?

The President said it would be open and transparent and he lied. The speaker said we would like it when we read it.

I would love to hear it OPENLY discussed especially what controls will there be on health costs...which was SUPPOSED to be the whole idea. Especially because most americans were opposed to it while the President made his back room deals to get it passed. Especially because the funding is a lot of MAYBES and BORROWS.

You know, every so often the liberals get all the power...they pass stuff that become entitlements....they get voted out because they did it, but the stuff remains on the books. Lets get this open NOW to discuss.

Notice, I said LIBERALS, not Democrats !

I would really appreciate an honest, open discussion about what the Affordable Care Act means. Since this historic piece of legislation was passed March 23, 2010, I have read the 2000 plus pages. I am still waiting for someone in authority to explain exactly what it means.

I don't want it randomly thrown away. I realize what went into getting this passed. I would just like to really understand what exactly got passed.

I don't think anyone understands all of it. There's just too much of it. If it was as good as it was supposed to be, Democrats should have had no problem using it in their campaigns (the same is true of financial reform).

Add to that the fact that pieces of it kick in slowly over the next 4 years - so it's not like you can point to "cause and effect" now for those aspects of it and you have a law that is still more of a question mark than anything else. One thing that people ARE clear on is that the 'public option' didn't make it. So you'll have people who wanted that being disappointed (since they tend to believe that was what was needed for TRUE reform) and the people who DON'T want it are unhappy becuase of what WAS in the bill and the THREAT that a 'fix' *will* include it.

Originally Posted by Sparky-30

Gridlock is a gooooood thing!, in fact it would be a blessing if the Congress only met for a day or 2 every few months and for a short time, the more those bozo's meet, the more taxes and regulation of the masses falls on us.

Amen. Businesses will start hiring when they feel that the government will not impose undue hardships on them. Government cannot create jobs, it can only redistribute money that we pay in taxes. Business is scared of Obamacare and other anti-business legislation.

health repairs. Fix that which is not working or working poorly, including fraud prosecution and avoidance.

Then let there be a completely separate agenda leading to a proposal for the so called uninsured millions.

Of course each new proposal of all the above must have cost and funding defined. No increase in taxes allowed. No reduction in services or quality of care.

Most people still do not understand the long term debt built into the existing Obama health care reform charade.
Way too many people do not understand there will be a reduction of coverage for all. An increase in cost for all.
There is a basic fundamental that should be tell tale. Adding upwards to 30,000,000 more to the health care system.....WITH NO INCREASE IN FACILITIES, EQUIPMENT OR PERSONNEL!!!!! Just how would that work.

Programs of smaller increments that can be fully defined and understood.
Down with the huge and complicated. And of course hopefully we have done away with the likes of Pelosi's completely stupid approach "...let's pass this bill so we can see what is in it...".

Repeal the current reform and start over. So what if it takes 20 more years. We aren't doing anything about the future energy shock that is coming and that will be more than 20 years to fix.

btk