Interesting; the many books written about the Clintons and their...only word that fits is...disgusting personal life and extremely shady dealing have NEVER been challenges to my knowledge and no suits filed for libel.

Some are truly disgusting actually. Monetarily, politically, sexually and certainly their very distant relationship with the truth.

Real thought full people have Trump, Carson, and Cruz leading for their party candidate for president. Who are the idiots?

What is the percentage of viewers of the Fox national news are Republicans? Do these viewers have another Republican party favoring station to go to? Does anyone believe that they are fair, and balanced? You want to watch a real news programs watch "Morning Joe", or MTP Daily.

The question a Democratic member of the committee should asked the head of the CIA at the time in a closed door Benghazi hearing is, "Did the CIA have anything to do with the statement that the attack on the embassy was in response to the anti-Muslim movie?" There may have been a reason for the statement other than the political one being put forward, or maybe not.

First, speaking of the candidates as you did, a FULL year ahead before any primaries serves no purpose. Of course, you know the list of leaders in polls at this time is filled with mostly non Presidents so will not respond to that part. I also find it offensive and rude calling people idiots. Does not do anything but make you look bad frankly but that is your call. Mostly when I speak negative, as I do and will, on Clinton for example or even our President, I offer a backup for what I am saying and have never referred to anyone as you did WITHOUT backing it up.

You are misunderstanding the idea here. I am taking no side on the continuing debate on Fox news. That debate was begun by Media Matters and the Democrat party in concert with their media outlets. I am neither a watcher of Fox news on a steady basis, nor any of the cable news channels.

I am being a bit self centered here, but want to insure you understand where I am coming from. I watch Morning Joe every morning of my life actually and have since the day it began. I also will watch CNN and MSNBC depending on what I am looking for.

Not sure I understand your question on other stations, but the implication is that Fox is favored to watch because they lean right and that Republicans have no other place to go. Now that gets to the crux of my point.

I subscribe to theory that you learn by investigating. Investigate by reading. If you want to add some tv watching to your background, so be it. Most of the basis for my information and posts are from reading.

The very nature of my comments revolve about people who actually use Media Matters or other sources (THINK PROGRESS for one). Those sites do not lean left; THEY ARE ACTUAL WORKING PARTS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY and using them as a source of information is totally dumb because you will only read revisionist history or revisionist facts. YOU WILL NOT LEARN ANYTHING. YOU WILL BE BRAINWASHED.

You are presenting your brain with information you know by its very essence is skewed and it is not hidden that is what it is. I am not inventing these things. Heck, Media Matters is a tax exempt orginization and THINK PROGRESS was set up by and for the Democratic party.

Then, to use that as a source on a political forum to make a point simply shows how naive and brainwashed you are.

I do not ever want to be that way. I respect people disagreeing with me but based on the facts and not spoon fed revised and mostly screened information.

Do the Republicans have such sites ? OF COURSE THEY DO. I see very little of them used to make a point on here and have just grown every frustrated with people using all these sites that are not even pretending to be news sites.

Fox is biased...ok.....but it is in fact a news orginization despite the cute little remarks that the sheep use on here use to describe them. I am not defending Fox in anyway and totally understand that their NON NEWS PROGRAMMING is skewed right.

What your point is I am not sure, but hope I clarified mine. Presenting things as news that are diatribes from a political party is sort of self degeneration of a sort. You simply admit you are brainwashed and have nothing to add from your own mind.

On the Benghazi question you raise, I think we have just begun with the questions and they will sharpen as more information is known. Ms Clinton is on the record on a number of things that she cannot take back. It was a political action, both hers and the Presidents and the commitee.

As I said, so what to the politics of the committee. Every black person shot by a white policeman is used by the Democratic party and the WH...every multiple shooting is used by anti gun people and if you are anywhere near as smart as you purport yourself to be, you know how it works. Benghazi committee was and is only part 1

[QUOTE=Guest;1134813...and they prefer than others fight for their freedom, so that they can stay home with their mothers.[/QUOTE]

Well, tell us when the last time was that Americans fought in a war for our freedom.

Sure was not Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, or Korea. World War II was the last time. That war ended 70 years ago.

How many soldiers died in all those wars after WWII? I bet their mothers would have liked them to stay home instead of being involved in civil wars or wars based on lies.

Ever wonder if your freedom and mine would be the same or even exist if we did not participate in those wars ?

Each "war" has its own story and to present them in this manner as if they were all the same, in the same time period with all the same 'actors" is extremely short sighted.

You have a very distorted and very naive view of history.

Of course, each has negatives...each had people who did not want us in them.

Heck, you mention WW2 as the last time, etc. Do you know how many history books have been written as to how many died BECAUSE WE WAITED TO GET INVOLVED ?

You make history sound simple....trust me...it is not.

I would have rather stayed home, but I didn't think your bed was large enough for us both to hide under.

"The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

"Except For Ending Slavery, Fascism, Nazism and Communism, WAR has Never done much of anything good... "

"You can lead a liberal to the truth, but you can't make them THINK !"

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So why didn't the IRS investigate Media Matters tax exempt 501 (c) (3) status as they had virtually ever conservative organization seeking such relief? Why did the IRS go on such a witch hunt ( criminal in nature) following Citizens United?

Progressives have a corner on unethical and dare I say tipping close to criminal dealings in order to prevail .

It seems, sir, that you have no problem with the initial person making insulting remakes about someone, but have a problem with the person that responds in kind. If that is the way you want to play things, fine.

I have never read Media Matters. So, I have no idea what you are talking about. Why do you people always do this? Always try to place on someone that doesn't agree with you on the extreme. You always want to pigeonhole someone to the far left, that makes it easier to get your point across. You have a hard time dealing with a moderate independent, which I am, but very little problem dealing with a far left Democratic.

You watch Morning Joe. So, you heard that the only person asking questions that related to the Benghazi attacks was Representative Duckworth. Everybody else was either attacking Hillary Clinton, or defending her. There will be no sharper questions as the hearing goes on, just more political nonsense. That may include the Democrats walking out of the hearing. There is a big difference between using Benghazi as a political attack on your opponent, and gun violence as a trigger for stricter gun laws. What legislation s going to come out of the Benghazi hearing?

Back to the Republicans running for president, you watch Morning Joe, so you saw the interview with John Kasich. This is the fifth time I asked this question with no responses. What is wrong with John Kasich as the Republican's candidate for president? You had to see that he was a clear thinking, well informed, reasonable person running for president. He knows that he has to work with Democrats to get things done, and this makes him unacceptable as Republican candidate for president.

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You give yourself much credit. I was not responding to YOU; I was responding to the posts on Media Matters.

Let's understand, all is not about YOU. Nobody did anything to you, yet you seem to always feel put upon.


Again, let me help you understand. Republicans criticized for using Benghazi for political purpose. I say, so what...every black shooting by a white is made a political issue by the Democratic Party....every multiple victim shooting is made political by the Democratic Party. That was the extent of it.

My perception of candidates and yours is different, thankfully, and since we are so far away, while I have preferences, my mind is not made up. The debates might help if they are finally able to discuss issues.

I might add to the last post, the continuing politicizing of black/white continues as the President AND VALARIE JARRETT met with Black Lives Matter last week, and encouraged them to keep going.

He says he understands them. While blacks continue to be slaughtered in Chicago and elsewhere, NOBODY goes there to March. In NYC where another policeman was just killed, there was an anti police rally.

No politics here, right ?

He is padding the future positions of the Barry and Michelle movement.
A new law firm....Sharpton, Jackson, Obama and Obama; Special interest, minority and racial bias experts. If you don't have the problem we can get it for you!!!

You are assuming that the Obama's will ever wish to work again.

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You simply can't help yourself. In the real world when you hit "quote post", most normal people think that you are replying to them. In your world when you get called on a stupid assumption, you reply with the above attack someone that actually has a brain.

You don't watch Morning Joe. So you have no idea, what John Kasich said during that interview. I am looking for a candidate that is willing to work the Democrats to get things done. You are looking for someone that literally wants to continue with deadlock in Washington. Getting something done requires something that they don't have any respect for opposing views. I am right. You are wrong. So, why should a bother lowering myself to even talk with an interior being? All men are created equal, but Republicans are more equal.

Concerning Benghazi, since it is nothing more than a political stunt, the Republican National committee should reimburse the government for the cost of the hearing.

You know Hillary to me never did answer the questions like they were asked, she side step the question & answered it just the way she wanted. When she didn't answer the question the way it was asked, what do we think she'll do as president if something like this come up when she's running the country. She can turn the whole situation around & probably continue to blame it on Bush & sound convincing enough that we'll buy & if we don't like it what she says, what are we going to do about it, NOTHING! Hillary to me is a pathetic liar & dishonest person. Besides did we really think Hillary would be thrown out of the campaign, she's the Dem. best candidate out of the 5 that's running. Don't know why the other 4 are wasting money!

Should Obama reimburse the gov for his waste of five million bucks to train five useless soldiers?

Since the Benghazi disaster was lied about from the start, do you not think that Americans (and victim's families) wanted to know the truth and not a fabrication for politics of the upcoming elections? Personally, I would be interested in knowing where the lie originated and also why Obama did not take the attack seriously enough to postpone his trip to Vegas. Of course, when you are a blindly led lemming, I guess you would rather not think about it.

Also, from these hearings, we also found out about Hilary's felonious criminal activity. It's probably better that the FBI found out about it before we get to the elections.

A waste of money was extending unemployment for two years.
A waste of money is paying Planned Parenthood to butcher baby parts for resale.
A waste of money is when Obama, his family and their dog all take separate flights when they go on vacation.
A waste of money is when Michelle takes all her family and friends to Africa on a vacation.
A waste of money is when the Obama's take a date night in NY costing the taxpayer thousands.

But, you aren't worried about it. You'll vote for more of the same and then blame it on Bush.

I am simply overwhelmed at people on here and Ms Clinton taking a "victory lap".

This committee discovered her secret server and emails and the ensuing disaster has cost our country a huge amount simply to access and read something that if she had done it right...no cost.

This committee has uncovered a number of lies that she has told, and there will be much more on that issue in months to come.

This committee has "begun" and just begun to unfold the disaster which was our policy in totally destroying Libya.

And frankly, I could care less if at the end it became political. She deserves that kind of treatment, and this committee has done well and will continue to do well. If anyone is making this about politics, it is the shrill, non caring democrats on that committee.

The fellow who wrote the post to which your responded is in another world. You can point out all you want and he has an excuse or a reason that the Republican party is at fault.

BOTH parties are at fault in most cases, but the Democrats seem to be so comfortable with what I can only call "mean" attacks comparing the opposition party to terrorists (and that was the President) or making other such remarks.

Let me add that the committee also uncovered the lies told by Ms Clinton in the days after as to the cause.

Again, how can you take a "victory lap" when confronted with all these lies ?

Yes, Hillary was composed, but she certainly didn't look Presidential! She put her face in her hands and looked like a female in distress! You might say her female or "catty" side held her own during the interview. Being aggressive and adamant does NOT make a person an honest person. Hillary has been in Washington far too long. She is a professional liar and knows how to hold her own. Washington has become a cesspool for corrupt politicians and liars who want to line their pockets and foundations. Why do you think Bill has kept Hillary around for so long? She does his dirty work while he plays with the Interns.

The hearing just proved that Hilary is a pretty poor actress and should not be invited to be on SNL anymore. They don't want their ratings to go down.

Clinton
 

Clinton is a lying,cheaten,cold hearted women who cares only about herself.

Old lady CLINTON dresses like Kim Jung un from North Korea.

But with more civilized treachery .........:BigApplause:

Rubio hit it "out of the park" with this....

"During the congressional hearing on Benghazi "it was revealed that Hillary Clinton knew early on and was telling her family and telling her friends that the attack on the consulate was by terrorists, al-Qaeda-like terrorists," Rubio said on CNN.

"The Clintons are nothing but masters of self-preservation," he added. "She was telling her relatives and friends early on that she clearly had doubts."

There was "never a single shred of evidence" that the attack was caused by a controversial video, an explanation that Clinton and Obama administration officials provided in the days after the attacks."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...morning-shows/

Even on this forum, many mentioned how she really stretched the truth and believablity during that hearing, and yet she and the media took a "victory lap".

Oh, but what she explained...

"Clinton called the changing narratives after the attacks a "fog of war" moment in her testimony before the hearing. "

The media asked a lot of "gotcha" questions last night and someday maybe someone will go after this woman on FACTS. She has been either the principle involved or an auxiliary to, so many many investigations. She have been proven a liar and yet.......well, let us wait until next year and hope that in general election someone steps up before the Republican candidate does and asks the tough questions.

Her selection of interviews and, if you read you know the conditions placed by her campaign on what she will talk about, ability and it is an ability to lie and twist things and then giggle and laugh at anyone who dares call her on her lies.

Some of the books written by close associates and even secret service folks mention that cackle and how she turns on anyone who calls her on her lies.

"Bill is the greatest husband and father I know. No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he." - Hillary Clinton (Quoted 1998)

That is a fabulous testimony to her lying, deceiving and role playing/acting.

A true full blooded PHONY in everything she did/does. Proof positive there is not a sincere bone in her body!

That's cause who they hang with are worse than Bill, so he probably is the least sleazy scumbag she knows.
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Omg
 

Let me simplify all this jibber-jabber... You get one vote, I get one vote..

Oh and one more thing.. I'll be celebrating in a year!:22yikes:

Me too, Hillary will probably be indicted by then.

I would rather be RELIEVED than celebrating. Since Biden is not in the race for pres, I will be relieved when I know there is no chance for any of the Dems currently running to get elected. On the other hand, I am no problems with any of the Republican candidates getting elected.

And I will be voting straight party on my ballot, so I won't have to worry about which way any votes on issues might possibly go. I have seen Democrats go completely left, but even if a Republican goes moderate/center it's better than a socialist vote.