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Guest 01-30-2012 10:24 PM

A President cannot repeal a law by just saying, "I repeal that law." It is a very complicated process. Read the attached link and see how complicated the process is.

How to Repeal or Amend a Law or Act of Congress | Suite101.com

Guest 01-31-2012 01:53 AM

Saul Alinsky? Really?
 
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Well, not all of them; some are kind of sad. Give the President credit, because he believes what he says. This is in contrast to Newt, who has no core values. He will say anything to gain power (ie moon base).
Anyway, yes, I have made up my mind at what direction I want the US to go in, and it is not Europe lite. How is that working out for them? I believe in equality of opportunity and not equality of result. I believe the President, trained under Saul Alinsky, has a socialist agenda. My preference is unfettered free market capitalism.
Having said that; Romney in 2012!

Let's see, Obama must have been 10 years old, when Alinsky died!..Really?
You and Gingrich need to find another reason why I won't vote for Obama!

Guest 01-31-2012 07:13 AM

Gee, I'm sorry.
 
I didn't mean to start a diatribe about present candidates of one party and a sitting President of the other party running for a second term. I guess I wasn't clear that I was asking a general question, not applying only to now. I would have asked the same question eight years ago when there were primary candidates of one party and a sitting President of the other party running for a second term. I find it appalling, no matter when or on what level of government, to hear candidates tearing each other down, slinging mud, engaging in personal attacks--and then when one is left standing and the rest are bodies on the ground, all of a sudden those bodies all rallying around the one who's left as though everything that was said before was never said. This is just hypocritical at best and outright lying at worst!

I was brought up by parents who required their children to learn, discuss, evaluate, then make an informed decision not just about politics but about everything that affected our lives--basically how to live. As far as politics is concerned, because of their manner of raising their children I am an independent voter, not registered for any party, and this allows me to vote on election day for a specific candidate for a specific office and not vote like a mindless robot for the candidate of a certain party solely because of the party affiliation. I think we have all seen countless members of both parties vote exactly this way. My mother is still alive and would be horrified if I was to do this, and my father would turn in his grave!

Again, I'm sorry I wasn't clear in my question right from the beginning.

Guest 01-31-2012 07:21 AM

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Why would he? It would be political death. He signs a 50 state wavier. It costs him nothing and it builds political capital.

Also the GOP "Establishment" (anyone who doesn't support Newt) is getting some new members such as Pat Buchanan, George Will, as well as Ann Coulter. Oh, and Joe Scarbough is also weighing in. All are questioning Newt's fitness. Buchanan is the most damning claiming Newt does not have core values.

That bubble still chasing ya? :icon_wink:

Guest 01-31-2012 09:34 AM

jebartle-- Obama did not train under Alinsky. He did, however, work as a community organizer for an Alinsky group, Developing Communities Project. He also taught workshops on the Alinsky methods. Hillary is also a Alinsky devotee.

Guest 01-31-2012 10:32 AM

Yes, Sally Jo, this sounds like such a terrible organization, doesn't it? Read about it and then post what you do not like about the organization. Thank you

.Developing Communities Project, Inc.

Guest 01-31-2012 11:07 AM

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That bubble still chasing ya? :icon_wink:

You got it!!!!!!! Thanks so much for the "rover" reference.

Guest 06-01-2012 04:56 AM

I know I'm quoting myself, but
 
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In recent weeks I have learned so much about the frontrunners in the primary coming up shortly that no matter who wins, I would be so apprehensive to vote for whoever secures the nomination and is on the ticket in November.

Am I expected to forget everything I've found out about all the candidates once one is selected? I don't think I can do that. How do others feel about this?

This is even more of an issue for me now than when so many Republicans were in the presidential field and I first asked for the opinions of others on this forum. I trust and believe what fellow Republicans said about each other. Why not? I don't believe they were lying. Or were they??? If they WERE lying, what does this say about themselves?

I feel this way about many elections in recent years. I'm an old lady, and though I'm not registered in the party, my identification with the party goes back to President Eisenhower who I saw and still see as a total gentleman. Maybe my values are behind the times. Or maybe the times have changed for the worst as far as values are concerned. I will continue to live by my standards and therefore choose to believe what I was forced to listen to during the race for the nomination!

Guest 06-01-2012 09:27 AM

I had decided to sit this one out...I am tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils, since I started voting only twice have a voted for someone I really wanted to win.

Then I was on a practice green in TV when a guy came up a just started in on teachers pay, unions and liberals. I explained I wouldn't be voting this year because I really don't like Obama but I can't vote for Romney based on the business model he used to make money at Bain. I watched a competitor in the IVD industry run into the ground by Bain. They never recovered...then sold and only now can they compete. I explained that to this to guy and the fireworks stated. The wife joined in saying that if I didn't vote that was a vote for Obama...still don't understand that one.

So here I sit, in a swing state, won't vote for Romney and don't want to vote for Obama. Time to write in Hillary?

Guest 06-01-2012 09:42 AM

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I had decided to sit this one out...I am tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils, since I started voting only twice have a voted for someone I really wanted to win.

Then I was on a practice green in TV when a guy came up a just started in on teachers pay, unions and liberals. I explained I wouldn't be voting this year because I really don't like Obama but I can't vote for Romney based on the business model he used to make money at Bain. I watched a competitor in the IVD industry run into the ground by Bain. They never recovered...then sold and only now can they compete. I explained that to this to guy and the fireworks stated. The wife joined in saying that if I didn't vote that was a vote for Obama...still don't understand that one.

So here I sit, in a swing state, won't vote for Romney and don't want to vote for Obama. Time to write in Hillary?

There's still talk of Hillary taking over the V.P. spot from Biden. Biden's not being seen as an asset to Obama's chances of late, with him making more unwelcome comments than usual.

He has actually taken a little "vacation" this week, ostensibly to help his daughter prepare for her coming wedding.

Gaffing Biden Heads Out on Vacation | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier
vacation/

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/05/17/joe/

Hillary Clinton for vice president: The rumor that just won’t die - The Washington Post

Guest 06-01-2012 09:55 AM

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There's still talk of Hillary taking over the V.P. spot from Biden. Biden's not being seen as an asset to Obama's chances of late, with him making more unwelcome comments than usual.

He has actually taken a little "vacation" this week, ostensibly to help his daughter prepare for her coming wedding.

Gaffing Biden Heads Out on Vacation | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier
vacation/

Is Everything All Right with Joe? | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier

Hillary Clinton for vice president: The rumor that just won’t die - The Washington Post

That might turn the tide for me....

Guest 06-01-2012 10:01 AM

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That might turn the tide for me....

I kind of figured it would. I don't know what Hillary would have to be promised to accept the V.P. nod, but it would definitely be a huge plus for Obama, so I still expect it.

I'm not happy about it myself, but I completely understand the strategy of her accepting the position.

Guest 06-01-2012 10:47 AM

Same Theme
 
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....With everything considered you have to decide if 4 years of a...ultra XXX wing radical President is what you want, or do you want to change the person in that office and hope for better than we're getting now.

Don't I recall that this was the main theme of Obama's campaign in 2008, with only the choice of one different word? Bush wasn't a lame duck of course, but the theme sounds very familiar.

How did that work out?

Guest 06-01-2012 10:54 AM

That's The Problem
 
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In recent weeks I have learned so much about the frontrunners in the primary coming up shortly that no matter who wins, I would be so apprehensive to vote for whoever secures the nomination and is on the ticket in November.

Am I expected to forget everything I've found out about all the candidates once one is selected? I don't think I can do that. How do others feel about this?

Yours is demonstrative of the real problem resulting from the Supreme Court decision that anyone can spend any amount of money to finance a political campaign. It's the right of free speech under the Constitution, they said. Oh, I suppose I should add that negative campaigning has been proven to work and has become the modus operendi of almost all political campaigns at any level.

By the time the two candidates for POTUS cut and slash each other with attack ads between now and November, not only will people stop listening to them, but they'll hate and distrust whichever of the candidates actually succeeds in getting elected. He'll have little chance of effectively leading the country in the direction it needs to go.

Guest 06-01-2012 10:55 AM

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I kind of figured it would. I don't know what Hillary would have to be promised to accept the V.P. nod, but it would definitely be a huge plus for Obama, so I still expect it.

I'm not happy about it myself, but I completely understand the strategy of her accepting the position.

Well, that would be an unbeatable ticket. Just think that Mrs. Clinton would then go on to be President in 2016 with good possibility of 2020 after that. The GOP would be a forgotten item by the end of that time period.


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