about George Bush.....

I am SURE that George Bush did not promise transparency and then turn his back on that promise

I am SURE that George Bush did not promise to work across the aisle and then totally ignore that promise.

I am SURE that despite his part in the deficit, George Bush did not make back room deals, pay blackmail, etc in order to add to the deficit FOR MANY YEARS to pass a health care bill that the vast majority of americans did not want and that he, nor any in congress, EVEN READ.

I am SURE that George Bush did not promise no bill would be signed by him with any pork at all in it, and then sign a bill (so called "stimulus") that was, by the most conservative analysts 65% pork !

I am SURE that George Bush did not demean the actions of the previous administration regarding the war on terror, and then quietly simply continue all the existing policies.

I am sure that George Bush did not promise all americans MANY TIMES that during his administration there will be FIVE days of a bill on the internet for public consumption before signing and then totally ignore it.

I could go on, but my point is that Georgre Bush has been out of office for 17 months now, and this President is blaming him, the press, Fox or whomever he decides does not agree with him totally !

Folks say give him a chance...right. You were all told by many that he was not qualified, had ZERO experience, has run not even a lemonade stand, knew ONLY what he was trained in and you can read about that if you want. You all ignored everything he was about during the campaign....his mentor, his habits, his training...he is a career politician with NO experience !

This is not meant to make excuses for the other party, other Presidents, anyone else....it is about the assumption of leadership and responsibility..something this President has NEVER done..since OR BEFORE he was elected.

At this point, I care about what happens NOW...not in the past. I care how we handle Iran...I care how we handle the mid east situation...I care about the continuing rise in the deficit.

I suppose this is my rant...my wanting us to FOR ONCE hold the man respsonsible.

I heard to day on the radio folks actually MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE PRESIDENT LIKE SAYING....you have to understand, he has never served as Governor or anything like that so he does not have a "feel' for what to do in the case of emergencies. DUH ! THAT is an excuse....amazing.

Folks, we need to hold not only the President but both parties in congress responsible. I am so tired of hearing about George Bush on here as if he started and did all of it.....of course there is ALWAYS overlap from one administration to another but lets get real and hold those responsible who should be held responsble !

Sorry for the rant...going back to my room and will not bother you any longer but wake up folks.....BUSH is not the President and has not been for a long time. Even those who supported the current President are beginning to wake up....he is a career politician and nothing else.

WOW!!! Great rant! Couldn't have put it better myself!! The man is a dolt! He has the leadership capability of a deformed radish.

Obama took on the Presidency with such a bad hand left over from the previous administration and then to have things like the gulf crisis piled on top of it all.
Obama himself in his so called speech last night made such a reference.
I think some one once said if ya can't stand the heat get outta the kitchen....well same goes for if ya can't stand heat then do not enter the kitchen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Almost two years into the job and still referring to the mess that was inherited?
Yes I am sick and tired of hearing such lamo declarations.
Kindergarten is for blaming the other guy....not POTUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A true leader takes the bull by the horns and does something. The current admin including an lead by Obama is a blame scenario administration and President.

No commitments.
No accountability.
No spontaneous initiatives.
No plan.
No follow up.
No accountability/responsibility.

Just speeches. Like last nights empty/hollow speech. Not one word of what we will do. Oh yes, he did appoint a new cazr of something that will result in more federal jobs.

The man is not a leader.....worse than that he is a blamer. As if intelligent, thinking folks would buy it.

There is no way this man is ever going to go out on a limb and profess to do what is right.

He makes Jimmy Carter appear to have been an aggressive POTUS!!!!!!!!

btk

A SAMPLING of editorials from TODAYS news...

"Obama seized the crisis, all right. But he praised people we've lost confidence in—and proved anew that the president doesn’t know much about management."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...es-no-manager/


"In a peculiar instance of synchronicity, President Obama's Oval Office speech to the nation last night resembled the very calamity it was intended to address: Like the oil spewing into the Gulf, it began as a focused and narrow stream of words -- and quickly spread out into an amorphous cloud of goo.

What started as a just-the-facts-ma'am explanation quickly got caught up in political currents -- by the end we were treated to bromides about the Greatest Generation and putting a man on the moon and preposterous insinuations that the Red Chinese will turn Green before us. (China, mind you, is the country where the rivers burn, the air is crunchy and the government is building a new, filthy, coal-fired power plant every 10 days for the next decade).


Last night we saw just the latest installment of "Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste," written by Rahm Emanuel and performed by The One. The immediate goal: to create the political climate where BP will bend over and say "thank you sir, may I have another" in perpetuity."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...kgff5hCGMG0SjI


"The big question about President Obama's sit-down Wednesday with BP's Tony Hayward is, "Why didn't this happen six weeks ago?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

I am just saying....

The President does not have a clue and he has surrounded himself with NOTHING BUT BIG TIME HARD CORE POLITICIANS

Originally Posted by Bucco

about George Bush.....

I am SURE that George Bush did not promise transparency and then turn his back on that promise

I am SURE that George Bush did not promise to work across the aisle and then totally ignore that promise.

I am SURE that despite his part in the deficit, George Bush did not make back room deals, pay blackmail, etc in order to add to the deficit FOR MANY YEARS to pass a health care bill that the vast majority of americans did not want and that he, nor any in congress, EVEN READ.

I am SURE that George Bush did not promise no bill would be signed by him with any pork at all in it, and then sign a bill (so called "stimulus") that was, by the most conservative analysts 65% pork !

I am SURE that George Bush did not demean the actions of the previous administration regarding the war on terror, and then quietly simply continue all the existing policies.

I am sure that George Bush did not promise all americans MANY TIMES that during his administration there will be FIVE days of a bill on the internet for public consumption before signing and then totally ignore it.

I could go on, but my point is that Georgre Bush has been out of office for 17 months now, and this President is blaming him, the press, Fox or whomever he decides does not agree with him totally !

Folks say give him a chance...right. You were all told by many that he was not qualified, had ZERO experience, has run not even a lemonade stand, knew ONLY what he was trained in and you can read about that if you want. You all ignored everything he was about during the campaign....his mentor, his habits, his training...he is a career politician with NO experience !

This is not meant to make excuses for the other party, other Presidents, anyone else....it is about the assumption of leadership and responsibility..something this President has NEVER done..since OR BEFORE he was elected.

At this point, I care about what happens NOW...not in the past. I care how we handle Iran...I care how we handle the mid east situation...I care about the continuing rise in the deficit.

I suppose this is my rant...my wanting us to FOR ONCE hold the man respsonsible.

I heard to day on the radio folks actually MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE PRESIDENT LIKE SAYING....you have to understand, he has never served as Governor or anything like that so he does not have a "feel' for what to do in the case of emergencies. DUH ! THAT is an excuse....amazing.

Folks, we need to hold not only the President but both parties in congress responsible. I am so tired of hearing about George Bush on here as if he started and did all of it.....of course there is ALWAYS overlap from one administration to another but lets get real and hold those responsible who should be held responsble !

Sorry for the rant...going back to my room and will not bother you any longer but wake up folks.....BUSH is not the President and has not been for a long time. Even those who supported the current President are beginning to wake up....he is a career politician and nothing else.

Bucco, as sincere and thoughtful as you are about politics, I think it's time you stopped using comparisons of George Bush to Barack Obama as a way of defending the former and attacking the later.
This latest litany of criticism sounds credible when you mention what Bush did not do, but falls apart due to the fact that your list is a mere fraction of what Bush DID NOT DO.
Your criticism of what Obama has done is contrived. It is a collection of trivialities or generalities which will have no historical significance.
Obama is thankfully an active, passionate President. With every statement or action he leaves his critics an opportunity to once again demand, "Why is he not perfect? Why can't he do everything exactly like I thought I heard him PROMISE he would?".
The Constitution establishes the Executive as a leader who can influence decisions by his attention and arm-twisting, but who cannot make what people would like to think are promises. 'Promises' are the term the media uses to dramatize and attach more importance to the statements the Executive makes. Critics elevate statements of preference and support to 'promises' to attack the Executive for not doing what they wanted him to do.

The things already accomplished by this administration are historically significant. Based on the record to date, Obama will be given a high grade for effort as an active President. Partly because of the luck of how things turn out, the future evaluation of that effort will range somewhere between 'Nice try', to 'Brilliant, the best that could have been done in the circumstances".

Why nit pick and jump to final conclusions? We are a long way from a verdict on how well the big problems: Afghanistan, the economy, the spill, national security, health care, and immigration are going to change us for better or worse. And a little farther from a verdict on the role of the President in the result.

But while we wait, history has already decided, so clearly that it will not entertain revision, that the absence of effective leadership in the Bush administration, combined with the outrageous mistake of attacking Iraq, left America in it's most difficult state in the last seventy years.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Bucco, as sincere and thoughtful as you are about politics, I think it's time you stopped using comparisons of George Bush to Barack Obama as a way of defending the former and attacking the later.
This latest litany of criticism sounds credible when you mention what Bush did not do, but falls apart due to the fact that your list is a mere fraction of what Bush DID NOT DO.
Your criticism of what Obama has done is contrived. It is a collection of trivialities or generalities which will have no historical significance.
Obama is thankfully an active, passionate President. With every statement or action he leaves his critics an opportunity to once again demand, "Why is he not perfect? Why can't he do everything exactly like I thought I heard him PROMISE he would?".
The Constitution establishes the Executive as a leader who can influence decisions by his attention and arm-twisting, but who cannot make what people would like to think are promises. 'Promises' are the term the media uses to dramatize and attach more importance to the statements the Executive makes. Critics elevate statements of preference and support to 'promises' to attack the Executive for not doing what they wanted him to do.

The things already accomplished by this administration are historically significant. Based on the record to date, Obama will be given a high grade for effort as an active President. Partly because of the luck of how things turn out, the future evaluation of that effort will range somewhere between 'Nice try', to 'Brilliant, the best that could have been done in the circumstances".

Why nit pick and jump to final conclusions? We are a long way from a verdict on how well the big problems: Afghanistan, the economy, the spill, national security, health care, and immigration are going to change us for better or worse. And a little farther from a verdict on the role of the President in the result.

But while we wait, history has already decided, so clearly that it will not entertain revision, that the absence of effective leadership in the Bush administration, combined with the outrageous mistake of attacking Iraq, left America in it's most difficult state in the last seventy years.

With all due respect, my rant and I readily admit it was such.....was generated by every comment that was critical of this President in this forum is greeted by anti Bush comments.

The rest of your defense of this President I will leave be, as history will serve to judge him. I have, obviously, a much much different opinion of this man and thus far his history and training and lack of ANY experience is showing in a short time.

You seem to be also afflicted with the Blame Bush...defend Obama against anything mode and that is your right. I DO know what he and this congress have done thus far and if you are happy with that, then we will have to disagree on where we want this country to be in the future. You and your children and grandchildren will pay for years for the Health bill that solved NOTHING but pre existing conditions and that could have been done without the blackmail and backroom deals. I would hope that you do some reading on the fiscal calamaties facing both states and corporations as a result of that ill fated bill.

I apologize to you for my rant if it offended you, but I am equally offended, not as a Republican, not as anything but an american at the constant stream of Bush bashing to explain everything this administration does. Someday come on here and tell us what this President has done so positive !!

Originally Posted by Bucco

With all due respect, my rant and I readily admit it was such.....was generated by every comment that was critical of this President in this forum is greeted by anti Bush comments.

The rest of your defense of this President I will leave be, as history will serve to judge him. I have, obviously, a much much different opinion of this man and thus far his history and training and lack of ANY experience is showing in a short time.

You seem to be also afflicted with the Blame Bush...defend Obama against anything mode and that is your right. I DO know what he and this congress have done thus far and if you are happy with that, then we will have to disagree on where we want this country to be in the future. You and your children and grandchildren will pay for years for the Health bill that solved NOTHING but pre existing conditions and that could have been done without the blackmail and backroom deals. I would hope that you do some reading on the fiscal calamaties facing both states and corporations as a result of that ill fated bill.

I apologize to you for my rant if it offended you, but I am equally offended, not as a Republican, not as anything but an american at the constant stream of Bush bashing to explain everything this administration does. Someday come on here and tell us what this President has done so positive !!

Woo Hoo Bucco!! Rant On!! Let's see someone come back and tell us what this President has done so positive!!!

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Woo Hoo Bucco!! Rant On!! Let's see someone come back and tell us what this President has done so positive!!!

They never do except to take something out of context like to say he insured so many millions of folks that were not insured, but they fail to add that that bill is a disaster of immense proportions by all experts and does NOTHING to do anything for costs at all and in fact will eventually raise costs.

They will not be back unless to talk about Bush !

I apologize to the board for ranting but just sick of the bash Bush instead of talking about what it going on....the middle east fiasco....the finanical mess...the health care mess, Iran, etc

When in doubt, frustrated, unwilling or unable to specifically answer someone who disagrees with you ---- then RANT!

And, as a bonus you'll be congratulated for it by others who similarly speak out of pure anger, frustration or whatever.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

When in doubt, frustrated, unwilling or unable to specifically answer someone who disagrees with you ---- then RANT!

And, as a bonus you'll be congratulated for it by others who similarly speak out of pure anger, frustration or whatever.

PLEASE come on here and tell us all what you love about this man and about his accomplishments.

You are simply crucifying us for presenting facts to you....you never respond to that....simply tell us how wonderful he is which is the attitude that got us in this fix to begin with !

During the primary and campaign, I would mention our current President and his smoking, drinking, lack of religion (because we know that the 20 years with Rev Wright dont count) his lack of experience, his association with and working side by side with socialist radicals, well...they would make fun of me and call me racist, etc...all kinds of names.

They all assumed that I must be in love with George Bush because of how I was calling to their attention facts...one of the things they called me was a "fill in the blanker" like a 36er or whatever the poll numbers were for Bush that week...then they would add those loveable little things in the smile store and all of them would have very happy moment with me.

Well perhaps we should refer to you now as a "42 percenter" but I am sorry I cant bring myself to add the cutsie little symbols...

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 24% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20 (see trends). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll


Point is I am not alone

Originally Posted by Bucco

PLEASE come on here and tell us all what you love about this man and about his accomplishments.

You are simply crucifying us for presenting facts to you....you never respond to that....simply tell us how wonderful he is which is the attitude that got us in this fix to begin with !

A Democrat if honest would have to say they love how B H Obama has:

made the government larger

made the private sector smaller

increased unemployment

made the Irani situation worse

made a fool of himself all over the world

lost complete touch with what makes America great

cares nothing about what the majority want


It is a sad tale that Democrats still support the destructor of America.

http://www.hopeandchange.net/2009/11...-of-obama.html

Originally Posted by Bucco

PLEASE come on here and tell us all what you love about this man and about his accomplishments.

You are simply crucifying us for presenting facts to you....you never respond to that....simply tell us how wonderful he is which is the attitude that got us in this fix to begin with !

Yikes! I've never been part of a crucifixion before!

Let's look back at your opening post on this thread Bucco. You were valiantly trying to defend George Bush for his lack of activity as President, then by comparison, using the statements and actions of Obama to condemn him.

I submitted that this was flawed for at least the following reasons:

1) Bush will never be defended in the future, and should not be now, for the things he did not do. With the exception of one action, the self-serving, (and for Dad too), tragic invasion of Iraq, which may be one of the greatest mistakes ever made by a US President, Bush will be historically judged an ineffective, rather clueless, inactive President. The irreverent historians already liken him to Roman emperor Nero. I think it's time you stopped trying to defend the indefensible. I'm not interested in attacking Bush, I'd dearly love to forget about the whole tragic period, move on and focus on actions with possibilities for rebuilding our country.

2) nothing you can say about Bush compares to, or reflects on President Obama. It's a different time, with different problems. Even similar problems, like Iran, have take on entirely different characteristics and complexity. We need to withhold judgement and refrain from attacking every single statement and action just because it's different from what someone else said or did.

3) your 'rant' was full of references to the "Promises". Again, don't be duped by the media types and extremists who want to stamp every statement a 'promise' and then indict the President for every action which does not turn out to be you precise definition of that 'promise'. The point I made above and felt was the most important was the reference to the nature of the Executive branch of the government, as provided by the Constitution. We should never be so naive to think the President has the power to make his 'promises' come true. That's why Presidential statements are NOT promises, but efforts to focus attention, rally support and influence the approval of measures which will improve our nation. Since you keep demanding to know anything the President has accomplished, just take yesterday's action for example. By sheer force of will and a campaign of insistence and persistence, the President is securing a rather large escrow account from BP to repay the government (taxpayer) and individual victims. This is an aggressive, and I think unique action, and in the country's best interest. I don't think many Presidents would have had the nerve or to pull this off before the offending company simply declared bankruptcy and left us holding the bag. Think about it. The President has absolutely no power or authority over an entity like BP, yet we are able to get some initially impressive concessions.

4) you, and others even more riled up, should be reconsider judging lots of things wrong, just because there are lots of things being said and done. There is so much nit picking about every statement, innuendo, possible action, contemplated action and real action, that it's easy to think that pile of nits signifies that everything is wrong and we're headed for disaster. I'm just thankful that we have an active, engaged President who continues to work hard knowing full well that mountains of criticism await.

To summarize, I respect your statement above conceding that you will allow history to judge the President overall. The Health Care law still has you twirling, but I submit I am just as correct as you when I say this is a major positive step, an enormous improvement over our present health care delivery system. Why continue to attack and insist it will destroy us, when this total negative speculation is just the same knee-jerk reaction which has accompanied virtually everything done by the federal government since 1789? Let's let history judge this new program too.

If you've read my other posts, you would know why I think a number of other actions and efforts by President Obama are positive steps. Despite the blanket indictments by those in this forum who sneeringly ridicule "liberals" for never citing reasons for their positions on the issues, I've spent lots of time on that. I don't think I need to keep repeating myself. But I do think this post is important because it is so easy to forget how difficult the job of the Chief Executive is, and how easy it is to rush to judgement.

Originally Posted by waynet

http://www.hopeandchange.net/2009/11...-of-obama.html

How many Jobs has BH created? Has he improved the economy in the last 1 and a half years.

What has he done for you and for me other than trying to destroy our way of life?

If you like what BH OBAMA has done then you cannot possibly like America.