I don't understand why folks that have, let's say a lung ailment, can collect from the social security fund (disability)?? and still smoke, drink and raise Hell. It really ****es me off.

The problem is on The Hill. That's the change we need. All of them.

I believe that the American Dream is the Right to Life, Liberty and the pursute of Happiness.
I was always taught that meant that you could work and hard, enjoy the fruits of your own labor, and pretty much be master of your own destiny. The government didn't dumb down the loan officer that granted me a loan to buy a home. No banker in their right mind gives out a loan to someone who cannot pay it back...duh.
BTW, I'm starting to wonder what is being inhaled in Virginia this afternoon.

OK, thought maybe it was Franklin's Democratic Republic.

Your BS

Wow, I do not think that is proper protocol around here.:rant-rave:

I never inhaled:p

I guess you can't always judge a book by it's cover :shocked:

Lets open a hunting season on the unemployed, grind up their bodies for dog food. That would cut down on the evil ones that don't pay into the TAX pool.

Hahahahaha :jester:

Need a better plan...this one won't benefit me since I don't have a dog. Too busy logging miles on my Cannondale Synapse...870 miles so far this year!
:wave: Welcome back!

Even with the mortgage brokers/bankers being crooks, in the end, the home buyer/mortgagee signed the promissory note in light of their income and all other living expenses.

We've met people many times who told us that when they got pre-qualified to buy a home, they were told by lenders that they could afford a house tens and hundreds of thousands more than they KNEW they could afford. They had the sense and morals to not sign onto so much mortgage debt as the lenders were luring them into.

The old adage, "Buyer beware" still applies, in any lender/borrower transaction!

I love the smell of Soylent Green in the morning.:beer3:

Ya caught me just as I was sending my permit request off to Washington. OH Well, I will come up with something else.

Yes, so I was curious why folks said it was the Governments fault?

Fannie Mae...Freddie Mac.

so all those "toxic loans" I heard about came from where? Oh BTW, I didn't want ti imply that had built a home that I couldn't afford or a loan like that. My gripe is it's not worth what it was and I can't sell it and come down there and join the fun.

That's right, the benevolent hand of the government got the better of a FEW people who aren't smart enough to know better...Kinda like most of the democratic social programs that have people suckered in.
How is much different from this-Uncle Sam takes my money to invest for my retirement, because it's soooo nice of the government to look out for little ole me who doesn't have sense to look out for myself. OH, that's right, that's not working out so well either...

Once again you are a dollar short and a day late. Season is already open, only the ones they are hunting are the working stuffs. :wave:

I hear ya! :wave:

I put in 20 yrs with a "private sector" company chasing the pension. But wait, we are downsizing and you won't get your pensions. Geez, who was looking out for me then? Nobody. Now in the other sector chasing another pension. Could lose that too? :rant-rave:

Ain't that the truth!:shrug:

In all sincerity-I feel your pain and you have my sympathy :beer3: ... we hard working Americans need to stick together and CLEAN OUT WASHINGTON DC!

Indeed! :agree: :ho:

Gosh after reading this thread and all I can say is many of you seem a bit frisky. It would seem more productive to direct that energy, intellect and aggression toward the real source of the problem,,,,President and Congress

Just getting a little workout. It's a long time til we get to pull the lever.

As the original poster on this thread it has occurred to me that this thread has developed just like social security has and as most government programs have.
It started out as one thing and in just a few days it is a totally different thing all together.
It has been amusing!
I plan on collecting ss if it is there in about 5 years and I will not consider myself a socialist. I however will feel like I have been ripped off because I could have invested that money much better.
Now what was this thread about?? I forgot!

Hey, with us oldtimers all conversation eventually leads to Social Security, Medicare, doctors, medication, and some more things I'm having trouble remembering. It's inevitable.

Thanks for being so gracious about us having pirated your thread...we did have alot of fun!:wave:

Tell me an investment that hasn't suffered. We were talking investments, right?

My business!! I would have invested it in my business and made much more than the government ever did. as if they made anything for me with it.
Also my bonds aren't doing that bad!
I would have invested in real estate more. I don't know how it is where you live but it was a good deal here and never really did get bad like what we here in the media.
Or I guess I could give it all to a congressman and hope he takes care of it over the years!! I wonder how that would work out, Oh I guess I will find out soon.

Well, my real estate went to hell in a hand basket. My Grand Father, long gone, told me way back when to forget real estate. I didn't listen.

I don't think real estate is over. There will always be a need for housing and businesses expand. If they don't then all of this does not matter anyway. I don't plan for it all to go to hell, I plan on it getting better and it will.
I hope the biggest leap forward will be in 2012 with a new leader or should I say A LEADER.

Hoping along with you.
In the meantime, land is one thing that isn't being made any more, so it will always bounce back.

Whelp, that's what I'm banking on. If there are any old yuppies out there that want to and can afford to move to the country, were are waiting for them.

Your whining will not solve your problem.

Gee, life is tough, huh? Security isn't everything.

Lower your price to reasonable expectations?

I'm still working, not whining.

Gee, had me fooled. Must be my aluminum hat.