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Guest 09-13-2008 11:10 PM

Re: I HAVE ISSUES....WITH SARAH PALIN!!
 
PS...just as I finished my post...I looked out the window on the patio...and I saw the most beautiful double RAINBOW....the sign of Hope.....there is hope and we will all be fine...and we are in the most wonderful place in the world...

Guest 09-13-2008 11:46 PM

Re: I HAVE ISSUES....WITH SARAH PALIN!!
 
Bravo stevez

Guest 09-14-2008 04:35 AM

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What has been interesting with Mr. Gibson is the manner and content of the interview. There seemed little in the way of issue-inquiry. The intent appeared to be to try to portray Gov. Palin, a 44-year-old woman who has been successful as an elected executive in a state epitomised for rugged individualism (and more macho than anywhere else), as unqualified for VP or President. Ironically, I can remember no comparable interviews by Mr. Gibson or his network with Sen. Obama, a 47 year-old male with no government executive experience and a Senate absentee rate (first term, half over) so bad it would have resulted in being expelled from any college or fired from a private industry job.

The media/press format interviews, and edit accordingly, to present a predesigned image. This is not journalism, but entertainment. If the same questions, content and innuendo were asked of Sen. Obama by Mr. Gibson or his network, then a semblance of impartiality would be demonstrated.

It's like the old Two-car auto race story. One network reports that in the two-car race, Car Alpha won; while the other network reports that in a prestigious car race, Car Bravo came in second, while Car Alpha came in next-to-last. Both are technically correct, but what was the intended message?

SteveZ, now your questioning Charles Gibson's integrity? Is there no end to this convoluted thinking? She's not qualified. It's that simple. I'm sure you'll love Hannerty's interview with her as he is strictly Republican and completely biased. He will feed her powder puff questions that she will be completely rehearsed for. Have fun and come back on and tell us how wonderful she was.

Guest 09-14-2008 01:25 PM

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SteveZ, now your questioning Charles Gibson's integrity? Is there no end to this convoluted thinking? She's not qualified. It's that simple. I'm sure you'll love Hannerty's interview with her as he is strictly Republican and completely biased. He will feed her powder puff questions that she will be completely rehearsed for. Have fun and come back on and tell us how wonderful she was.

Not his integrity - objectivity!

He's like Rush Limbaugh, Randi Rhodes and most on the political trail - an entertainer!

When one questions Gov. Palin's qualifications, one must also mirror those against Sen. Obama and quantify where the difference is. I haven't seen any yet.

Guest 09-15-2008 12:26 AM

Comments by the governor of Alaska in her first television interview, in which she said Nato may have to go to war with Russia and took a tough line on Iran's nuclear programme, were the result of two weeks of briefings by neoconservatives.

Sources in the McCain camp, the Republican Party and Washington think tanks say Mrs Palin was identified as a potential future leader of the neoconservative cause in June 2007. That was when the annual summer cruise organised by the right-of-centre Weekly Standard magazine docked in Juneau, the Alaskan state capital, and the pundits on board took tea with Governor Palin.

Her case as John McCain's running mate was later advanced vociferously by William Kristol, the magazine's editor, who is widely seen as one of the founding fathers of American neoconservative thought - including the robust approach to foreign policy which spurred American intervention in Iraq.

Now many believe that the "neocons", whose standard bearer in government, Vice President Dick Cheney, lost out in Washington power struggles to the more moderate defence secretary Robert Gates and secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, last year are seeking to mould Mrs Palin to renew their influence.

A former Republican White House official, who now works at the American Enterprise Institute, a bastion of Washington neoconservatism, admitted: "She's bright and she's a blank page. She's going places and it's worth going there with her."

Asked if he sees her as a "project", the former official said: "Your word, not mine, but I wouldn't disagree with the sentiment."

Pat Buchanan, the former Republican presidential candidate and a foreign policy isolationist, who opposes the war in Iraq, the project most closely associated with the neocons, said: "Palin has become, overnight, the most priceless political asset the movement has.

"Look for the neocons to move with all deliberate speed to take her into their camp by pressing upon her advisers and staff, and steering her into the AEI-Weekly Standard-War Party orbit." The AEI, or American Enterprise Institute, is a free-market think-tank with many neo-cons among its members.

In the two weeks since she was named as Mr McCain's running mate that is just what has happened. While Mr McCain was publicly distancing himself from the policies and personalities of the Bush administration, Mrs Palin was sequestered with a series of former aides to George W. Bush.

Mr McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, an influential neoconservative, wasted no time in briefing Mrs Palin. He quickly made Steve Biegun, a former number three on the National Security Council, her chief foreign policy adviser.

Steven Clemons, of the New American Foundation think tank in Washington, a chronicler of the ebb and flow of neocon power in the White House, bemoaned the appointment, saying Mr Biegun "will turn her into an advocate of Cheneyism and Cheney's view of national-security issues."

Eyebrows were also raised when, on the Tuesday after her selection, Mrs Palin was ushered into the company of AIPAC, the pro-Israeli lobby group in Washington.

In her first television interview, she was on message, agreeing with Mr McCain that Israel has the right to take military action against Iran if necessary. "I don't think that we should second-guess the measures that Israel has to take to defend themselves and for their security," she said.

Jacob Heilbrunn, author of They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons, said the interview was "further evidence that she has soaked up the neocon view of the world." He was particularly alarmed by her suggestion that war with Russia is "perhaps" a possibility.

Now both McCain and Palin are being closely advised by neocons. Far from being chastened by the Iraq debacle, the neocons are now poised for their moment of greatest influence." Mr Buchanan has predicted Mrs Palin will become a major player for years to come.

"In choosing Palin, McCain may also have changed the course of history," he said. "Should this ticket win, Palin will eclipse every other Republican as heir apparent to the presidency and will have her own power base, wholly independent of President McCain."

War without end. Is that what we want?

Guest 09-15-2008 01:05 PM

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War without end. Is that what we want?

That's what we've had for as long as I, my parents, their parents, and their parents before them have been in the USA.

What makes anyone think the trend will ever end, and why does anyone believe any candidate is going to change the international political landscape sufficiently to make a difference? Things are made better in one place, and a firestorm erupts somewhere else - that's species homo sapiens in action!

In the past 100+ years more wars have been initiated during Democratic administrations than Republican, but that has not made the Democratic Presidents nor the sitting Congresses at that time wrong, nor does it make any President or candidate a warmonger. Stuff happens!

I belong to a combat veterans organization that was founded by Vietnam vets. The only membership criteria are love of motorcycles and having served at least one combat tour. We hoped we would die out eventually due to "no more combat vets," and never expected our membership would include new veterans young enough to be grandkids for a couple of our members, and now they outnumber the VietVets. We have several parent-offspring member combinations, something we never expected or hoped would happen.

While none of us likes war, ignoring the probability of more of them in the future is playing ostrich-in-the-sand. And it does not matter which candidate gets elected, as world events aren't really dictated within that 61.4square-mile area (namely, DC) on the eastern shore of the USA.

Guest 09-15-2008 02:38 PM

War without end
 
Jim, Should we go to war with Russia, as Palin stated she would re Georgia, I feel pretty warm and fuzzy about it. After all, she has said she can see Russia from Alaska. She knows the terrain. That should give us a huge leg up in the battle.:Screen_of_Death: Substitute Screen of death for land of death.
It fills me with fury when people will fight to save an embryo but think nothing of going to war. The ensuing death of troops and civilians just can't match up to killing those embryos, no sir.:cus: Pagans.

Guest 09-15-2008 02:45 PM

Jim, Should we go to war with Russia, as Palin stated she would re Georgia,
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SAMHASS...can you supply a direct quote on this. My understanding is that she said that Georgia should be part of NATO and then we would have the same responsiblities we have to any other NATO member. Am I wrong on this ?

Guest 09-15-2008 02:56 PM

Listen to the interview again and you can answer your own question about Russia. After that go listen to McCain sing "Bomb Iran" to the tune of Barbara Ann by the Beach Boys. Save the embryos!!!!! What happened to the barf smily we used to have on here?

Guest 09-15-2008 03:01 PM

Listen to the interview again and you can answer your own question about Russia.
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Thought I had (but known to be wrong)..that is why I asked you the source for your quote of ..Palin will go to war with Russia over Georgia. There is a HUGE difference in what you say and what I think she actually said !!!!!!

Guest 09-16-2008 11:16 PM

Bucco You are correct. She said if Georgia was a member of NATO, then we would be required to come to their defense.

Guest 09-20-2008 01:36 PM

read this and ponder
 
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise...hite-privilege

Guest 09-20-2008 02:13 PM

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Bucco You are correct. She said if Georgia was a member of NATO, then we would be required to come to their defense.


There is so much misinformation out there, both on the Dem and Republican sides. Sally Jo .. Thanks for providing the correct information on this issue.

Guest 09-20-2008 03:09 PM

My, my, my . . .
 
Why don't we just invade the whole world while we're at it? Iraq, Iran, Korea, China, Russia. . . the list goes on and on. The mighty McCain/Palin duo can take over the world! Ya think?

No thanks. I'll vote for someone with the brains to think it through and the style of diplomacy that brings about peace. Senator Obama! :eclipsee_gold_cup:



Guest 09-21-2008 04:57 PM

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Why don't we just invade the whole world while we're at it? Iraq, Iran, Korea, China, Russia. . . the list goes on and on. The mighty McCain/Palin duo can take over the world! Ya think?

No thanks. I'll vote for someone with the brains to think it through and the style of diplomacy that brings about peace. Senator Obama!

I guess we hear the words differently. What I get out of it is a showing of backbone, making it clear that the US is not a footmat for the world's dirty shoes.

Sen. Obama's type of "diplomacy" has been tried before by Neville Chamberlain, Herbert Hoover, Norodom Sihanouk and many others. The results have been catastrophic - millions dead and $$trillions worth of damage despite the best of intentions. Idealistically, it all sounds rosy, but the tough guys of the world eat up the flower children for breakfast.


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