Hah, the old blame Bush theme again. If you check my figures, Bush's budget expired on 9/30/2009. I didn't count any of the money Obama spent prior to that time period. Sorry, but if you look at the stats, Bush had yearly average deficits in the billions, versus Obama having an average of over a trillion bucks. It was not the GOP that passed Obamacare, either. And that is going to be a nightmare of the future. Obama owns that mess and someone is going to have to clean it up. Obama blaming Bush for his inept record is not going to hold credibility much longer.

Ok, if the election was held today, which candidate would I select?

Ronald Reagan. I would dig him up and put him in the oval office and he would still be better at the job than Obama. Hey, everyone is still trying to resurrect him in all their speeches. And even when he was ill, he was a better president than any other.

The graph that I put up showed that Obama hasn't increased spending more than the past four presidents combined. Spending and increasing national debt are two different things. There was no mention of increasing national debt in the post that I responded too. Obama's spending practices are not out of control as shown by the graph.

Concerning doubling the national debt, we have spin that bottle many times here. Presidents do not have control of the economy. They have little affect on the economy, because they can't force businesses to do anything.

Obama has instituted several programs that have increased the national debt, but these programs are not the cause of doubling the national debt. The ACA, and extending unemployment to 99 weeks are two. I have never blamed "W" for the great recession, but the great recession, and production jobs leaving the country had a lot to do with the increase of national debt under Obama.

The blame game for the increase in national debt just doesn't fly. The Republican candidates for president income tax reform are based upon a large increase in GNP. If this increase in the GNP doesn't happen, the national debt will skyrocket, because tax collections will go down.

Concerning Obama's legacy, doubling the national debt won't be held against him to the extent Republicans think. The bigger problem against him will be the extremes both parties have taken during his presidency. Whether he is to be blamed for this only time will tell.

Threads like this one really demonstrate how divided we are as a people and how angry we really have become. But the pivotal and most dangerous issue of all is our deep distrust of government and that one issue alone can sink us.

Personal Best Regards:

Excellent synopsis!

It's amazing when one submits actual facts and figures to support one's comment and then there are the one's that insist that it's someone else's fault. I gave you actual figures, even giving Obama the benefit of relieving him of any responsibility to the spending prior to the first fiscal year ending in his term, and yet every year his administration manages to spend a trillion bucks, and it is still Bush's fault or some other excuse...but never Obama's responsibility.

Well, I submitted facts and liberals submit innuendo. Reasons aside, the national debt will have DOUBLED under Obama's reign. Liberals can make all the excuses they wish, but facts can't be denied.

In my opinion, the largest mistake Bush made was changing the tax requirements for those at the lower half of the income level. Now, because of that and the Dems exploiting that action, we have the 47 percent of those that pay little to no taxes having their vote being bought by the liberals/socialists. As much as I respect Bush, I hold that against him. That is hard to undo. So, instead of liberals attempting to cut spending, they insist on raising taxes on those that already pay an unconstitutional amount. And I say it is illegal because the law says that no one can be discriminated and treated differently, and the wealthy are being punished for their success, while the lazy or unproductive are given a free pass. And I blame Bush for that too. Obama is just another socialist that is attempting to exploit the situation.

I am not going to give Obama a free pass on the economy. Other presidents have had depressions and recessions and did not take so long to get the economy back up to acceptable levels. Obama did everything he could to stagnate our economy, purposely trying to hinder production and punishing employers with restricting shackles, some even declared illegal by the Supreme Court.

Obama will have doubled the national debt by the time he leaves the White House, and that can not be denied, even by blaming someone else. The facts are there, regardless of how one wishes to explain them.

When you don't look at the reasons that the debt has almost doubled under Obama, the fact that it did becomes meaningless, because you are not interested in why.

You are not going to give Obama a free pass on the economy. What a surprise!

Lincoln was the worse president ever, because more Americans died in his war than all other presidents combined. Isn't that a fact? So, why did we give him a monument, and put him of the five dollar bill?

Because he was the first Republican president. That was enough to warrant that recognition. :a040:

We missed a man who would have been a great President in M. Romney.
I would vote for Carly F. She understands business and would bring common sense back to our nations government.
Hillary is a socialist and would do great harm.
If she wins ......well I'm glad that I'm old.

Ronald Reagan? Seriously?? His trickle down economics has ruined our economy. 14% interest rates when he was in office. Oh, and let's not forget all he did for the country with his anti-trust policies. It's amazing how a good looking, smooth talking actor can fool an entire party.

Nice try, but no one is going to believe you. Reagan brought us back from Jimmy "the peanut" Carter's ruin. I bought a house during Carters term and I know what the interest rates were then, as well as inflation and as well as gas prices. During the Carter term, mortgage interest rates went from 8.5% up to over 15% before Reagan was even elected. Reagan put more people back to work and the economy boomed by the end of this term. But, you should know all that. You should also know that even as sick as he was, he had such a great team around him that he achieved more than any other president in history as far as foreign diplomacy is concerned. He freed the Iran hostages, caused the Berlin wall to be torn down and even bankrupted the Soviet Union to the point of destroying communism in Russia. Of course, you liberals are doing your best to reinstate communism here in the U.S.

Bernie

Hillary or Bernie.

Anyone but Hillary and Bernie

Trump

Ok, you can dump the Trump now. Mission accomplished.

Mitt Romney

Reagan

Bernie or Hillary.

Bernie is not eligible because he is more dead than alive. Hilary is not eligible because she is a felon.

Cruz is a Canadian anchor baby. Trump, Cruz, and the other Republicans are just too stupid.

In order to be a felon, you have to be convicted of a felony. That has not happened with Mrs. Clinton. But you have just been convicted of stupidity.

You can't be serious. Clinton? We'll be in worse shape than with the dumbo we have right now. BTW, how do you like the idiot and his family going to Hawaii a couple of times a year on our dime?

Hillary or Bernie? Then we'll have at least 4 more years of the same dumbs**t we have now. There are more numnut democrats in TV than I thought.

Trump and Cruz is THE TICKET.

Hillary

Hillary Clinton

You can close this thread now. It's going nowhere.

I'm appalled at the immaturity and disrespect of the Republican responses here! This is the bigotry that drives the Republican party.

It's not going the way you want, you meant!?

Examples please. I am sure that you meant Liberal responses, but why don't you make it clear? As far as I am concerned they can close this thread down. It seems that you are attempting to keep it going for some unknown reason.

I have yet to see anything resembling "bigotry" in any of today's threads, even from the left, but I may have missed something. Maybe you do not have an understanding of the term?

Going to vote for Shrilary?

After the joker we have in office now, we need someone with some great experience to help turn this mess around, although it may be too late. IMO, John Kasich is the most qualified, proven performer of the bunch but pretty obvious he does not have a chance if polls mean anything. :boxing2:

I'll take the bait, Sybil. IMO Kasich is good at numbers, but is too far left for my liking. I like the guy, other than his stance on some issues where he is way to far left. But, as you know it is a moot point. He is very near to dropping out of the campaign. He does seem like an honest chap, so it is too bad he has waited too long in his political career to jump in. He did a pretty good job in D.C. as well as in his position as Governor. But, the primary elections are getting close for some states, so if anyone is going to move up in ranking, they better do it soon.