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Old 06-20-2017, 04:42 AM
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Then I take it you would support birth control should be covered by all medical insurance plans?

And research for a male birth control pill should be fully funded.....
I reject the notion that any form of birth control be covered by insurance plans. I reject the notion of Viagra, etc from being covered by insurance plans. I reject the notion that transgender surgeries be covered under insurance plans.

And I especially reject the notion that all of the above be subsidies by the government. Why? Because like any program subsidized by the government comes control, rules regulations, etc. They own you lock stock and barrel and they can manipulate the hoi polli in any manner they choose good or bad.

I'll stop here because the issue of government subsidies is a separate issue altogether and a complicated one

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Planned Parenthood does not receive dollars from the US government for abortions. However, it does receive dollars for routine care procedures like pap smears and pelvic exams.

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Yes, PP DOES receive gov. funding. Anyone can put a label on something and declare it something else. Only someone that is very, very ignorant or one that refuses to acknowledge the truth would assume that PP does not use gov funding for abortions. If you believe them when they assure you that they do not, then I have some ocean front property in AZ that I will sell you real cheap.
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Then I take it you would support birth control should be covered by all medical insurance plans?

And research for a male birth control pill should be fully funded.....
You did not ask me, but I will throw in my two cents anyway. I do NOT believe that the gov should MANDATE that Insurance companies provide any particular service, period. They are a private entity and should not be under the thumb of the Fed Gov. unless they are being contracted by the gov to provide gov employees health care service. Then they should be told what services the gov wishes to provide their employees and make that a factor in whether or not they get the contract. Otherwise, it is not up to the gov to mandate what service a private business must provide.
And only a liberal would assume that it is up to the gov to provide funding for any kind of research. You liberals seem to think that someone else is always responsible for your well being.
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I reject the notion that any form of birth control be covered by insurance plans. I reject the notion of Viagra, etc from being covered by insurance plans. I reject the notion that transgender surgeries be covered under insurance plans.

And I especially reject the notion that all of the above be subsidies by the government. Why? Because like any program subsidized by the government comes control, rules regulations, etc. They own you lock stock and barrel and they can manipulate the hoi polli in any manner they choose good or bad.

I'll stop here because the issue of government subsidies is a separate issue altogether and a complicated one

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totally agree
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:13 PM
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yes, pp does receive gov. Funding. Anyone can put a label on something and declare it something else. Only someone that is very, very ignorant or one that refuses to acknowledge the truth would assume that pp does not use gov funding for abortions. If you believe them when they assure you that they do not, then i have some ocean front property in az that i will sell you real cheap.
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Democrats endorse PP because it conducts abortions, and they know that most abortions are performed on liberals, and a lot on blacks in the inner cities. And you know the history of Dems with blacks. They were the KKK, voted against abolishing slavery, etc. NOW, I have almost no problem with liberals being aborted, but I know that my saying this will suddenly upset the lefties on here. After all, it is their idea to pay to kill babies, so my feeling is that since they will mostly be from liberal families, there will be less liberals in the world. Of course, I am sure that the liberals are looking at it more like there will be less blacks in the world since most of the abortion clinics are in the inner cities. So, since the constitution says abortions are lawful (if not moral) then I will take comfort knowing that there will be less liberals in the world. Kind of a lawful party genocide. Kind of hits on that old saying of "cutting off the nose to spite the face."
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:59 PM
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There is a huge bigly amazing difference between being a Christian and a Christianist, or a member of the Christian Taliban.

What progressives argue is that religion belongs in your home, in your place of worship, and not in the public arena. When you are asked is your policy going to be governed by the secular law and are you willing to completely put aside your religious beliefs in your public position and you cannot say yes to that, go home.

Many of those who decry Sharia law instead want their fundamentalist Christianist law imposed. Both are fine in the private sphere and anathema to public service. When JFK ran one of the most important statements he had to make was that he would not allow his Catholic faith to influence his decisions as President. Russell Vought was completely unable to make a similar statement and that is what Senator Sanders attacked. Read Kennedy's words:

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.
I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all....
Whatever issue may come before me as president — on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject — I will make my decision in accordance with these views, in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.
But if the time should ever come — and I do not concede any conflict to be even remotely possible — when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do the same.


While Senator Sanders' questioning was abrupt, the nominee did not dispute that his words
Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned.reflected his actual religious beliefs and he was not reassuring that he had either the interest or the ability to completely put aside his religious dogma if confirmed. Kennedy was clear and Vought was not.

I strongly suspect that if Obama had nominated an Islamic individual who had publicly written that Christians are all condemned and deficient because they do not accept Allah, you and the rest of the right would have been vigorously opposing that person, and correctly so.

Here is the exchange, I have highlighted certain words. Notice Mr Vought never said I am first an American, never said he would put aside his faith in his public office. Answered every question by first and foremost announcing his faith.

Sanders: Let me get to this issue that has bothered me and bothered many other people. And that is in the piece that I referred to that you wrote for the publication called Resurgent. You wrote, “Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned.” Do you believe that that statement is Islamophobic?
Vought: Absolutely not, Senator. I’m a Christian, and I believe in a Christian set of principles based on my faith. That post, as I stated in the questionnaire to this committee, was to defend my alma mater, Wheaton College, a Christian school that has a statement of faith that includes the centrality of Jesus Christ for salvation, and . . .
Sanders: I apologize. Forgive me, we just don’t have a lot of time. Do you believe people in the Muslim religion stand condemned? Is that your view?
Vought: Again, Senator, I’m a Christian, and I wrote that piece in accordance with the statement of faith at Wheaton College . . .
Sanders: I understand that. I don’t know how many Muslims there are in America. Maybe a couple million. Are you suggesting that all those people stand condemned? What about Jews? Do they stand condemned too?
Vought: Senator, I’m a Christian . . .
Sanders: I understand you are a Christian! But this country are made of people who are not just — I understand that Christianity is the majority religion, but there are other people of different religions in this country and around the world. In your judgment, do you think that people who are not Christians are going to be condemned?
Vought: Thank you for probing on that question. As a Christian, I believe that all individuals are made in the image of God and are worthy of dignity and respect regardless of their religious beliefs. I believe that as a Christian that’s how I should treat all individuals . . .
Sanders: You think your statement that you put into that publication, they do not know God because they rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned, do you think that’s respectful of other religions?
Vought: Senator, I wrote a post based on being a Christian and attending a Christian school that has a statement of faith that speaks clearly in regard to the centrality of Jesus Christ in salvation.
Sanders: I would simply say, Mr. Chairman, that this nominee is really not someone who this country is supposed to be about.
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i no understnd the hole thin but i drink for bees read this on. berryberry intesting i makin copy fore the heffa monyana. he teel i for sureyl .
Really, you're not even smart enough to understand... something this simple?

Since I empathize with those who are truly mentally handicapped, let me point you to the second paragraph...which sums it up.

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What progressives argue is that religion belongs in your home, in your place of worship, and not in the public arena. When you are asked is your policy going to be governed by the secular law and are you willing to completely put aside your religious beliefs in your public position and you cannot say yes to that, go home.
In other words, Sanders tried numerous times to ask Vought if he would follow the COTUS and laws instead of his religious beliefs and Vought refused to give an answer... every single time.

Not that it was really needed, since his religious ramblings to Sander's questions...were in fact his answer(s).

Is it still over your head?

I'll try to be more succinct.

'Everyone in this great country are allowed to worship, or not, in any matter they so choose.'

'What is NOT allowed, is to try and force those beliefs on other American citizens.'



Is that better?



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Really, you're not even smart enough to understand... something this simple?

Since I empathize with those who are truly mentally handicapped, let me point you to the second paragraph...which sums it up.



In other words, Sanders tried numerous times to ask Vought if he would follow the COTUS and laws instead of his religious beliefs and Vought refused to give an answer...every single time.

Not that it was really needed, since his religious ramblings to Sander's questions...were in fact his answer(s).

Is it still over your head?

I'll try to be more succinct.

'Everyone in this great country are allowed to worship, or not, in any matter they so choose.'

'What is NOT allowed, is to try and force those beliefs on other American citizens.'


Is that better?



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Oh, you are the lady that talks differently to those she believes are mentally handicapped...so inclusive, so nice.

As for what Crazy Bernie was "trying" to do "numerous times"...it had nothing to do with following COTUS, it was all about an attempt to embarrass a guy for his religious beliefs. I can see that, and I am not "handicapped", nor religious...
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so you personally inspected everyone of their facilities and audited their books and can offer an unqualified opinion that not one penny of government subsidy goes toward abortion. Yet Planned Parenthood is the premier abortion clinic in this nation. Hmmmmm

it my understanding that Planned Parenthood considers pregnancy to be an item that falls in line with routine healthcare because they have so many repeat patents...and the cure abortion.

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Planned Parenthood does not receive money from the Federal Government to cover the cost of abortion as it is forbidden by the Hyde amendment. This is fact!

If you want to make up conspiracy theories have at it but that does NOT make them true!!!!


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Old 06-22-2017, 07:04 PM
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Two words "Planned Parenthood"

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Planned Parenthood is a Medicaid provider, and provides women with a multitude of services that are paid through Medicaid. Abortion is NOT paid through Medicaid or any other government (taxpayer) programs.

You show your ignorance, and think that your two words actually are truthful in their insinuations.

By cutting funds to Planned Parenthood you limit or eliminate many services that women need in many places where Planned Parenthood is the ONLY medical provider in hundreds of miles, to women who don't have the financial means to go to other private providers.

You, by your ignorance, and by your propagating false and misleading information are no better than the "fake news" that you and your kind keep talking about.
 

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