Originally Posted by dklassen

Once more thing about trickledown economics.

Capitalism, freedom and individual liberty was created by scoundrels such as the likes of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and many others via our founding documents. They understood the concept, reason and need for limited government, separation of powers, individual freedom and capitalism. It’s not a new concept and it didn’t start with Reagan… but it may end with Obama.

Good to know the founding fathers "created" freedom and individual liberty. I guess they just forgot to tell their slaves.

I get a solid impression from reading the pro Obama posts that those who voted for Obama had no idea who or what he was and have not bothered to check what he is doing with their vote.

God save America. Obama rule will end in the 2010 elections.

Yoda

Originally Posted by Yoda

God save America. Obama rule will end in the 2010 elections.
Yoda

Unless the GOP makes some changes, 2010 may very well be the end of the Republican Party. April Fool budget press conferences ain't gonna cut it.

Originally Posted by Indy-Guy

First let me say that I voted twice for Bush. You have pointed out several things that you feel Obama has messed up in his first 100 days.

I would like to know what are the 5 best things that Bush did in his 8 years in office.

Ok the question was to hard so lets lower the bar. Let me know the 4 best things that Bush did in his 8 years in office. Come on guys that only 1 thing every other year. I know you can do it!

Here are 5 worth commendation... Although I didn't write these, I agree with them... but you asked... the following was written by Allen C. Guelzo, National Post - Published: Friday, November 21, 2008

1. The war in Iraq

There are two key facts to remember about the invasion of Iraq. First, al-Qaeda feeds on the carcasses of failed states (witness Afghanistan and Somalia). Second, the Hussein regime was, after the Gulf War and a decade of economic sanctions, sliding unavoidably into a political abyss. The only question was, who would get there first to fill the coming vacuum - al-Qaeda, the Iranian mullahs, or the United States. And unlike Somalia or Afghanistan, Iraq had real stakes to put into play in the form of the world's second-largest oil reserves. Imagine Osama bin Laden as an oil sheikh, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cornering the world oil market, and you'll see why the Iraq invasion was a geo-strategic victory for the West.


2. ‘Axis of Evil' speech

How novel, how refreshing, that the chief officer of a Western democracy was willing to use the word evil about evil people, instead of the conventional moral stammering which has afflicted the West over the last century. Here is a home truth Bush recognized and acted upon: The stamina required to confront evil will never materialize unless there is a willingness to use the word itself.


3. Faith-based initiatives

For once, an American president has recognized the vast social capital which is cached within American religious organizations, and tapped it. While this has enraged the separation-of-church-and-state dogmatists, the real source of that rage is the notion that state institutions (whose largesse produces serfdom) do a worse job of deploying that capital than non-state institutions (whose generosity, because it is voluntary, enhances freedom).


4. Blunting the metastasis of abortion

Like Dostoyevsky's Raskolnikov, one act of killing requires more acts of killing to legitimize itself. This has been the real agenda behind the enigmatic enthusiasm for stem-cell research and the furious criticism of bans on late-term, or "partial-birth," abortion. It was an act of singular political courage for Bush to see this agenda for what it was, expose it publicly for what it is, and obstruct it for as long as he has.


5. Balancing the bench

The federal judiciary, as the least-well-defined creation of the American Constitution, has lent itself all-too-willingly to the agenda of the American Left. Seeing that the judicial game could be played by two, George W. Bush concentrated on nominating - and steering to confirmation - a hefty phalanx of judges pledged to the utterly novel strategy of letting the Constitution alone. Bush did not get as many of his appointees confirmed as Bill Clinton, who made 65 appointments to Bush's 61. But Bush's are younger and will be around longer, and represent majorities of the sitting judges on 10 out of the 13 federal circuit courts.


(Allen C. Guelzo is a professor at Gettysburg College, Pa., and author of Abraham Lincoln: Redeemer President and Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation: The End of Slavery in America.)

Originally Posted by Yoda

I get a solid impression from reading the pro Obama posts that those who voted for Obama had no idea who or what he was and have not bothered to check what he is doing with their vote.

God save America. Obama rule will end in the 2010 elections.

Yoda

This comment

"had no idea who or what he was and have not bothered to check what he is doing with their vote."

is the basis for all folks have been saying for months and months on here and still is the case.

Things that are not making much of the MSM (Main stream Media) are just small leaks...example banks and others are beginning to give back stimulus and TARP money as they realize the "small print" that goes with it. The "stimulus" bill had over EIGHT THOUSAND EARMARKS in it with small items that give the Govt more control in the future......

These kind of things will begin to make more news as time goes on...President Obama IN HIS MEMOIRS trashed the private sector..expressed his desire for larger government...encouraged the RICH VERSUS POOR thus what would you expect in his presidency !

Originally Posted by Ooper

Here are 5 worth commendation... Although I didn't write these, I agree with them... but you asked... the following was written by Allen C. Guelzo, National Post - Published: Friday, November 21, 2008

1. The war in Iraq

There are two key facts to remember about the invasion of Iraq. First, al-Qaeda feeds on the carcasses of failed states (witness Afghanistan and Somalia). Second, the Hussein regime was, after the Gulf War and a decade of economic sanctions, sliding unavoidably into a political abyss. The only question was, who would get there first to fill the coming vacuum - al-Qaeda, the Iranian mullahs, or the United States. And unlike Somalia or Afghanistan, Iraq had real stakes to put into play in the form of the world's second-largest oil reserves. Imagine Osama bin Laden as an oil sheikh, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cornering the world oil market, and you'll see why the Iraq invasion was a geo-strategic victory for the West.


2. ‘Axis of Evil' speech

How novel, how refreshing, that the chief officer of a Western democracy was willing to use the word evil about evil people, instead of the conventional moral stammering which has afflicted the West over the last century. Here is a home truth Bush recognized and acted upon: The stamina required to confront evil will never materialize unless there is a willingness to use the word itself.


3. Faith-based initiatives

For once, an American president has recognized the vast social capital which is cached within American religious organizations, and tapped it. While this has enraged the separation-of-church-and-state dogmatists, the real source of that rage is the notion that state institutions (whose largesse produces serfdom) do a worse job of deploying that capital than non-state institutions (whose generosity, because it is voluntary, enhances freedom).


4. Blunting the metastasis of abortion

Like Dostoyevsky's Raskolnikov, one act of killing requires more acts of killing to legitimize itself. This has been the real agenda behind the enigmatic enthusiasm for stem-cell research and the furious criticism of bans on late-term, or "partial-birth," abortion. It was an act of singular political courage for Bush to see this agenda for what it was, expose it publicly for what it is, and obstruct it for as long as he has.


5. Balancing the bench

The federal judiciary, as the least-well-defined creation of the American Constitution, has lent itself all-too-willingly to the agenda of the American Left. Seeing that the judicial game could be played by two, George W. Bush concentrated on nominating - and steering to confirmation - a hefty phalanx of judges pledged to the utterly novel strategy of letting the Constitution alone. Bush did not get as many of his appointees confirmed as Bill Clinton, who made 65 appointments to Bush's 61. But Bush's are younger and will be around longer, and represent majorities of the sitting judges on 10 out of the 13 federal circuit courts.


(Allen C. Guelzo is a professor at Gettysburg College, Pa., and author of Abraham Lincoln: Redeemer President and Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation: The End of Slavery in America.)

Thank you for replying to my question. I have asked this of many people who are bashing either party Republican or Democrat. I also have asked the same of the Clinton years and my liberal friends very few can come up with any.

I seldom get any answer as more people find it easier to throw rocks as one party or the other than to stand up and say my guy is good because he has done this or that.

I thank you again for your reply as you are the only one so far who has given any thoughts. I am an on the fence guy who recently can't get to excited abut either party. I wish I could.

I am not concerned what the best 5 things were that bush did nor do I contemplate the 5 best things that George Washington did. I am concerned about the socialist and Marxist things that Obama is doing and more so that his supporters seem to be either oblivious to it or have no idea what it means. Obama was elected by a small margin of the popular vote. He was not given a mandate to fundamentally change our country or to usurp our constitution. I for one expect to hand on to my grand children the great nation and the opportunities that It provided to me. (That I had to work my azz off to collect)

Obama does not have the same view of this country as most of its citizens do. Just because he won the vote, does not mean that he can try to destroy the greatest nation on the earth. The most prosperous nation. The Freest Nation. The path that he has chosen will surly destroy this nation.

If he hates what America is so much and thinks we are so flawed, why run for president except to destroy it.

What 5 dastardly Unconstitutional things will Obama do next?

Yoda

Originally Posted by Yoda

I am not concerned what the best 5 things were that bush did nor do I contemplate the 5 best things that George Washington did. I am concerned about the socialist and Marxist things that Obama is doing and more so that his supporters seem to be either oblivious to it or have no idea what it means. Obama was elected by a small margin of the popular vote. He was not given a mandate to fundamentally change our country or to usurp our constitution. I for one expect to hand on to my grand children the great nation and the opportunities that It provided to me. (That I had to work my azz off to collect)

Obama does not have the same view of this country as most of its citizens do. Just because he won the vote, does not mean that he can try to destroy the greatest nation on the earth. The most prosperous nation. The Freest Nation. The path that he has chosen will surly destroy this nation.

If he hates what America is so much and thinks we are so flawed, why run for president except to destroy it.

What 5 dastardly Unconstitutional things will Obama do next?

Yoda

Spoken like a true rock thrower from the cheap seats.

You as stated have no clue what I assume is your guy did that was good for this country. I assume you voted for Bush (as I did) but did you vote for George Washington? By the way when I write the name Bush I use a capital B. You state that you worked your azz off. Well so did many of us as well as spend time in the military and I did both and still don't think I know everything.

I seldom get into a political debate because of people who only can point out what is wrong with one party or another.

I for one hope that our current administration is succesful we all need this. Even the rock throwers from the cheap seats.

This is still a great Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yoda just hand operated on still can't write but can type a little so I wont be giving a counter reply. If you really think that Obama is all you said he was,you really have to go either back to your own planet or seek help from luke skywalker ,darth vader alias george bush is a bad man a very bad man. may the force be with you,and remember you are loved by all of us that don't agree with you.

Originally Posted by Indy-Guy

Spoken like a true rock thrower from the cheap seats.

You as stated have no clue what I assume is your guy did that was good for this country. I assume you voted for Bush (as I did) but did you vote for George Washington? By the way when I write the name Bush I use a capital B. You state that you worked your azz off. Well so did many of us as well as spend time in the military and I did both and still don't think I know everything.

I seldom get into a political debate because of people who only can point out what is wrong with one party or another.

I for one hope that our current administration is succesful we all need this. Even the rock throwers from the cheap seats.

This is still a great Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not sure the hang up with Bush !!!!

You are making LARGE LEAPS AND ASSUMPTIONS about those who feel that President Obama is dangerous.

I voted for Bush...yep sure did. I also know all the things he did wrong and for those of you who find the posts on here to be negative I am assuming the attacks during the last administration were in your opinion positive !!

Point is...and I personally along with others have been pretty consistent with this message but I can only speak for myself......

I began to post and talk about President Obama BEFORE he was the candidate. While many of his supporters on here at present were calling him an "empty suit" and other things as they supported Clinton I was saying what I say now....

I investigated this man's background in detail as others did, but the MSM (Main street Media) fell in love with him and thus WANTED BADLY for him to win...THAT along with the disgust for Bush.

If you read his books (who has TWO autobiographies at his age) he does not care for the public sector at all....he is in total support of BIG government...his career as a organizer was all based on the RICH VERSUS POOR.

If you read what he did, he was an agitator where he honed his skills at the Saul Alinsky school of radical behavior. He admits that he studied and became an expert at the Alinsky school and actually continues to use them as President.

His entire life...his entire career has been one of preaching about the rich versus poor and of socialist ideas.....I challenge you to read his autobiographies, about who he admired, what he did and tell me that there is any other direction than socialism that he could take.

Now, with all that....and I NEVER once attacked him personally...only his idealogy...I said on a few occassions that he is a very charismatic guy with great oratory skills and while I find his ideaology to be totally at odds with mine he may have a future, BUT COMBINING HIM AS PRESIDENT WITH THE CURRENT CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP IS LETHAL !!!!!

I AND 61 MILLION other americans did not want him as president....from my perspective I didnt want McCain either but that would allow us some balance for this nutso congress !!!

You can call me a rock thrower from the cheap seats....you can call me anything you want...I DID MY RESEARCH AND YOU ARE HEARING MY OPINION.

I am not sure how bashing Bush or asking what he did during his two terms shows your support for the current President. Seems to me that if you supported him you would be on here telling folks WHY you support him...what you think he is doing that is good for the country in your opinion and why !

I like President Obama's openness, his willingness to make tough decisions, the respect that he has from the rest of the world, his ability to explain complex situations to the public, and the fact that for the most part he seems to be doing exactly what he said he would do during his campaign. I liked his campaign platform at the time; I voted for him; and so far at least, I'm glad I did.

I embrace his strategy for resolving the economic crisis. Whether every part of the plan will work remains to be seen. I doubt everything will work. But I am convinced of one thing--doing nothing and hoping that free market economics will work out the problem would be a disaster and far more expensive than the plan being executed. I spent my entire working career working in both of the two industries that are the most newsworthy in this crisis, so I probably know a little bit more about both than the average American. Having said that, I agree with the actions being taken by the new administration.

I agree with the Obama tax policy. If anything, I believe that the wealthiest Americans should pay even more in taxes. That would include me.

I agree with the legislation he asked for to address our health care system and our horrendous system of public education. Having almost a quarter of Americans with no healthcare insurance and our kids ranked lower than 25th in the world by standardized test scores are almost criminal failures by those involved in the prior governance of the U.S.

I agree with the significant changes in government regulations being proposed. The purposeful erosion of both the regulatory agencies and the regulations themselves have gotten us into the problems we're experiencing. Free market economics and laissez faire governance have failed us. A different approach is required.

I don't like the inattention to fiscal restraint that I've seen so far, but I remain hopeful that once the economic crisis begins to show signs of resolution, that fiscal policy will rise to a level of greater attention.

Having said all this, am I convinced that I will vote for President Obama's re-election? I'm not sure. I've embraced the idea that there is little wrong with single terms for all federal elected officials, both executive and legislative. But it depends on who runs against him and what their campaign platform reveals.

I'm sure none of this surprises you, Bucco. But you asked, and I answered.

People take this very personally. It's my guy against your guy, my party against your party.

What get's lost in some peoples blind defense is policy, beliefs and outcomes. None of that matters to some, they will defend their guy to the bitter end and it doesn't matter one bit what their policies are.

Bill Clinton was committing adultery with an employee in the oval office, lied about it under oath and none of his supporters cared one single bit about it and even defended his actions saying it was nobody's business. Under the same circumstances do you think those same people would have come to Bush's defense? Yeah right.

I don't give a crap about Obama or Bush personally. I care about what they do. Bush had plenty of screw ups and plenty I didn't like about him.

Obama's policies are radical, irresponsible, destructive and have never worked. It's been tried many times. There is nothing new here. It's socialism by the book.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know you can't spend your way out of debt or a recession and taking over public companies, banks, firing CEO's, capping salaries and more is so far beyond Constitutional limits of government it's beyond belief.

But it's my guy and I don't care.

I agree with the Obama tax policy. If anything, I believe that the wealthiest Americans should pay even more in taxes. That would include me.

Sounds good in theory but the rich already pay the majority of the bills. The other problem is, it's not just the rich.

The poor and middle class are going to get hit hard and I mean really hard with new taxes and regulations.

When he let's the Bush tax cut expire every one of us including me (not rich) is going to get hit.

Obama's cap and trade? Economists say it could add $3000 a year to the average persons total energy bills. That's each and every one of us including the poor and that's only the beginning.

All these trillions of dollars being printed are going to come from somewhere and it isn't going to all come from the "rich."

Add in health care and a zillion other new programs and where do you think all the money is going to come from?

Punish the producers, reward non producers. That's Obama's red white and blue.

hard to erase 8 years of the village idiot and his ilk in a few days

I'm glad I voted for him - I gave up this political thread for the most part because there are so many naysayers everyday just trashing him. I would hate to spend every day looking for the bad and trying to convince everyone else to do that also.

I find it facinating that these two posts are in the same thread. I am shocked that the Obama supportors are upset at all of the "naysayers" discussing the current President. This is after nearly eight years of constent Bush-bashing. See "the village idiot and his ilk" comment. These are comments of a personal nature, not a disagreement over policy. For example, it would be unfair for me to ask if President Obama has appointed anyone who actually fully paid their taxes. I wouldn't do that.