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Where are you from again Bucco? Let's do a little research on your state, shall we? Perhaps there are no checks and balances? Perhaps your politicians are just plain getting away with it? Perhaps, some of you are just too plain dumb to look in the right places? I know you're in The Villages now, but where are you from originally? I knew they'd catch this guy Bucco. You see, in Chicago you can't get away with wrongdoing forever. Unlike some areas. So enlighten us, where are you originally from? :shrug:

You know you're very funny. You actually think people don't see through you. Believe it or not, I've been polite to you up until now. You jabber on incessantly about how you're really going to support our new President and all through the campaign about how you're really middle of the road. Oh, and also your, "I'm not really defending Bush.", etc. On and on. And you think people can't see through all your gibberish.

Talk is cheap, Bucco, and you're full of it. In more ways than one. ;) Oh and trust me, Bucco. In just a few short weeks, you will be saying President Obama and, yes, he is from Chicago -- The City that Works!

On the brighter side, just think of all you'll have to jabber about for the next 8 years. :laugh:

WOW...WHAT a rant to simply defend Illinois politics. I simply am pointing out the silliness of your defense. I have said on here many many times that most politicians are a bit crooked at best...seems ONLY those you support are the clean ones however.

For the record I am from Pennsylvania..dont know the record there...no post would have been made if you had not spoken about an area (Chicago and Illinois) that are the poster boys for corruption and have been for some time. That does not make you or anyone else from Illinois or Chicago bad people..it is simply a fact that you surely know !

Chels, I think it is upstanding that you can defend your state. I'm from New Jersey, 'nuff said. Can't really defend my state. One of the reasons we moved and many others also. It is a shame how political corruption can ruin your way of life. Thankfully we found TV because of it. Thank God for corrupt NJ politians.....

http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbc...WS04/709060308

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front...l_machine.html

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=989

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0207/2695.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1004139.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...56C0A960948260

I could go on and on, but it's getting boring. So here's one more, not necessarily from PA, but still your kind of guys.

http://tabacco.blog-city.com/rogues_...tment_fire.htm

l o l !!! My guy can beat up your guy !!!

Thanks for an early morning laugh !!!!

This is getting silly, again.

There is no place in the US that is corruption-free or crooked-politician-free. It would be nice if that wasn't the case, but that's what it is.

As far as Chicago is concerned, since it is the second-largest city in the nation it can expect to get the second-largest media exposure as well. That goes with the media turf, and the media has played up the Chicago story since the Capone days. It's history and publicity is tied to "The Untouchables," Mayor Edward Kelly, The Daley I years and all of that notoriety. So, when "stuff" surfaces on the current generation of polilticians, the leap is short by the media and everyone touched by it to look back at history and theorize a continuing trend.

My roots go back to Boston, and its a smaller media market, so less of the nastiness has made in onto the Big Screen, the History Channel or 60 minutes. It has had the same problems as New York or Chicago, and that's just the way of it. Ignoring its faults, history or current problems can't change the facts. The trick is to be able to recognize a place for what is is, and is not.

So, one can love a place all one wants, but one cannot deny its national image, which is indeed self-created and exploited for profit.

Agreed!
 

That was my point SteveZ. If you read my original post, after Lucko decided to bash Chicago, and Bucco piped in, I simply said all of this happens everywhere. Sad, but true.

I was not defending the conduct of this Governor. In fact, as I stated, I was quite happy he was caught. I never did like him.

But don't push around MY city in general, I will defend it to the hilt. When people attack Chicago around me, it's like attacking my family. And trust me, I will not allow that to occur.

There is a difference in remarking about a political machine, the personalities involved in the corruption and controversy, and the high crimes and midemeanors they have or are alleged to have committed. The fact that the name of a city is used as an adverb is not the same as the city itself (and all who live in it) being chastised.

I admit to considering "Chicago politics" as being rough and tumble, and very much wrapped in controversy and favoritism. The corruption and voter scandals are legend, whether Chicagoans like it or not. The same can be said for "Boston politics" and a host of other cities which had a history of ethnic favoritism, crime boss rule, and turmoil. So what!

Whether we all want to accept it or not, we are no longer Chicagoans, Bostonians, New Yorkers, Denverites. Tulsans or any anything else. We are now "Villagers" and "Floridians." It's time to live in the present and the future, not the past. Our immigrant ancestors learned that when they got off the boat at Ellis Island or the airplane at JFK or wherever. Perhaps, we should follow their wise example.

If those other places are so great, then why did we leave there and come to TV? We came to TV because it IS better here. It is a new start and an opportunity to be rid of old baggage.

MY city is now The Villages. Boston is the "old country" to me, as Central Europe was for my grandparents. Boston, as good as it was (and is), it's not "mine" any more - TV and the surrounding area is. I can "see" Boston clearer now with some distance and time between it and me, and the finer points and the warts are more visible now than when being close up. I don't care what anyone says about Boston - good, bad or indifferent - because it's the "was" while TV is the "is."

There's a great bumper sticker that's been around in FL forever. It says "We don't care how you did it back North!" Good words to live by.

Just Different.
 

You and I are just have two different points of view. I really don't agree with you on this one. I don't and won't forget my roots. That's another thing I love about Chicago and it's people. The loyalty to the city and each other. We take care of our own. My heart and my history is stored there. And my Chicago ties are not broken. That doesn't mean I don't love The Villages, I do. But we didn't move here because it's "better". We moved here because it's "warmer." Yet, it's a move I don't regret. I've met some of the dearest, most loving people on the planet here and I know they will be friends for the rest of my life.

Not saying you're right or wrong, just saying we view things differently.

Wow!
 

Somehow my comment that corruption on the national level was probably as bad as in Illinois got morphed into a defense of Illinois corruption.

For the record, and like Steve, The Villages is my hometown now and Chicago and Illinois are only my birthplace and longtime home. I am disgusted by the abhorent behavior of the Governor there. I think he should resign today. The State Legislature should take the power to appoint a Senate nominee away from him immediately and order a special election. He's a punk, and a stupid punk at that.

By the way, things I've read today suggest that the Governor really couldn't get "his" choice into the U.S. Senate if he appointed one today. Apparently his nomination would have to be both confirmed by the Illinois Secretary of State and the seating of his choice would also have to be approved by the Senate itself. Apparently both have said that no nominee of the Illinois Governor would be either approved at the state level or seated by vote of the Senate.

Also, in case no one has read the 79 page complaint issued by the federal prosecutor in Chicago, the Governor was enraged at President-elect Obama because all he had offered was his thanks for the Governor's support in the presidential election and a suggestion that whichever replacement Senatorial nominee nominated by the Governor be re-electable in 2010. The Governor's taped statement went something along the lines of "...all that #&%#@ Obama offered was his #&%*@ thanks..."

And in that regard we should prepare for the day (and it's coming soon) where TV is a major player in Florida politics; will become the most influential voting block within US House 5th Congressional district; and be the lead in local State Senate and House races. We're still somewhat disjointed in TV politically, as many have not yet made the emotional "leap" to being a local.

Hopefully, we will have all learned lessons how to do it right and wrong from our past lives, and will work our darnedest to get it right here.

Whatever our "parties" may or may not be, we can recognize that graft and corruption are present in all of them, and need to make sure that TV is a graft-and-corruption-free zone.

Let's make sure the snakes don't thrive in TV Eden.....

Good Point, Steve
 

I'll be watching very carefully as our current Congresswoman's political career develops. She's in her third term and has gotten herself placed on some pretty important committees--Barney Frank's Financial Services Committee for one.

It hasn't escaped my attention that a bunch of banks, insurance companies and investment banks were the major contributors to the almost $600,000 given to the little old grandma from Brooksville. I'll bet they gave her all that money because she was such a nice little old lady, don't you think? And now she says she may run for the Senate seat being vacated by Mel Martinez. Does a Senate seat mean you get to eat higher off the hog?

Does anyone think that the needs of The Villages is real high on the list of things she worries about every day in her job in Congress? Even though we're clearly the biggest concentration of voters with common interests in the Fifth Congressional District. I think my new policy of never voting for an incumbent may apply to her in the 2010 mid-term elections. It may be time to get someone with less experience but who may actually "worry" our needs more than Ginny Brown-Waite.

This Congress job appears to be a lot more fruitful than her donut store in Brooksville ever was.

To Chelsea specifically.....I did not NEVER bash Chicago...I simply brought up the long history of corruption there. I even said it said nothing about the people there....it has been, correctly or incorrectly, the poster for corrupt politics. You, as usual, overreact and certainly did not read my post as I never BASHED your city.

Now.....during the campaign I suggested more times than folks wanted that our new President is enveloped with bad associations and that is the exact term I used.

Now, finally, folks are waking up....and I am telling you now that over the next few years there will be many more incidents like this where a scandal erupts and our President has had "associations" !!! The following is from todays news.....

"Questionable associations of Obama
By The Associated Press "

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...OrQuQD94VL6S03

I will watch and applaud his actions if I agree, and critique if I disagree, but those of you who have annointed him, find him guilty of NOTHING and totally pure are going to be surprised.

As they say... I'm a two time loser. I'm originally from Chicago, so I have to deal with the bad crap coming out of there right now. I am also currently living in Putnam, CT. One of our ex governors has just gotten out of federal prison for taking kick-backs, among other things.

I don't know who said it anymore, but they are right crooked politics is rampid every where at all levels.

I just don't understand why people keep re-electing these people. Nobody likes the Gov. of Il. but they elected him. Everybody hated Gov. John Roland of CT, but they elected him, and then re-elected him before he got caught with his hands in the cookie jar.

As they say... Only in America.:eclipsee_gold_cup:

If anyone thinks Illinois is alone when it comes to illegal behavior, just check out this link. It's an eye opener. It in no way excuses the governor of Ill. If he's found guilty in a court of law he should be sent away for a very long time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic..._United_States