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Guest 07-31-2011 06:29 PM

right on!!!!

Guest 07-31-2011 06:37 PM

Lot of people say things they don't mean when they drink---
do you think

Guest 07-31-2011 06:39 PM

Great video. :BigApplause::BigApplause:

Guest 07-31-2011 06:45 PM

Since... I don't know anything about any of this... I will not comment. I would only sound like a dumb blond...

But if I did... I would suggest people google much of what this gentleman said... But then... what do I know??? I'm just a dumb blond... :oops:

Guest 07-31-2011 08:35 PM

I'm in!
 
Count me in!! Thanks for sharing -- now let's see what we can do about it!
:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

Guest 08-01-2011 12:07 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 376228)
President Obama has bent over backwards to accomodate the teapartiers who have decided to hold this country hostage until they get their way. Tax rates are lower then when Reagan was president and it is not fair to cut the safety net for those less fortunate. In polls the majority of Americans agree with the president on this issue.

Given the surplus of histronics and the lack of complete disclosure, it doesn't surprise me that the majority of Americans agree with the president on "this issue," providing that is on what your preception of "this issue" is of course! Under normal circumstances I would agree with you (in part at least) on what you're saying. However, when it becomes necessary to prevent an inevitable derailment of government, comprimise is not always possible. As they say in the Kenny Rogers song, Coward of the County... "Sometimes you gotta fight when you're a man!"

IMHO, the American people spoke loud and clear in the election last November when they overwhelmingly elected Republicans to Congress, and what they were saying to Washington was NOT to allow the derailment of government, but rather to have the courage to fight to keep government from a catastropic future and not comprimise (what you refer to as hostage holding) in that objective, even when under the political atmosphere of fear mongering and charactor assassination.

Is there room for comprimise in this case? There should be! But an increase in US debt of over 3 Trillion over the past couple of years has made comprimise a virtual mission impossible if that debt is to be prevented from escillating to a point of governmental collapse once it grows beyond America's ability to ever recover, and I'm sure none of us want that!

Guest 08-01-2011 01:57 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 376228)
President Obama has bent over backwards to accomodate the teapartiers who have decided to hold this country hostage until they get their way. Tax rates are lower then when Reagan was president and it is not fair to cut the safety net for those less fortunate. In polls the majority of Americans agree with the president on this issue.

sammy8duck, how has he bent over backwards? What polls are you reading? What leadership has he provided to resolve this problem? The answer is none. Please look at the facts before you make these statements.

Your "teapartiers" have created, written and passed two bills in the House of Representatives to resolve this issue. Both bills were sent to the Senate controlled by Harry Reid where they were tabled. No vote allowed. He did not want the Senators to have to go on record as opposed so he tabled them and allowed no vote.

How many bills has the Senate passed? NONE. Not their job? Wrong. It is with in their power to take either bill passed by the House and change it, modify, re-write, vote on it and send it back to the house. They have not done that. They just say "I don't like those bills, send us a third one" Again no leadership.

Mr Obama has provided no bill to resolve this problem. Not his job? Wrong again. Any president can create a bill, send it to the house for sponsorship and be voted on. Name one? Obama Care. Created by this president, sponsored by Nancy Polsi and passed by the House, sent to the Senate and passed again. And that bill is the one that helped create this current crisis.

Several presidents have had this same exact problem and all provided the leadership to get it done. Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George Bush. And several had to do it with a House and Senate controlled by the other party.

Our president has provided no leadership to resolve this problem. So far all he has done is criticize those actions taken by others. It's OK to throw stones if you have a better plan, he does not have that right as he has no plan. And if you say he does, I will ask you what it is. So far it is only rhetoric.

Guest 08-01-2011 02:03 AM

Well the deal has been made so we will all live on happy and rich now. The vote on Monday will finalize the debate.

Guest 08-01-2011 06:33 AM

There is a giant leadership vacuum in Washington, DC that isn't just one party. Everyone involved in this issue has shown a lack of leadership. Every dollar currently being spent by the government was included in a bill already passed by the Congress. Every dollar! But now, when the debt limit must be raised to accommodate all of that profligate spending, they don't have the courage to pass it. Cowards every one. It's no different than if you and I went on a bender and spent many thousands on our credit cards, then simply refused to make the payment at the end of the month. If we were really mad as hell, we would vote them all out. But we won't - it's never OUR representative's fault. This belongs in Political, for sure.

Guest 08-01-2011 06:39 AM

solution
 
Here's a great idea to get rid of them all. Fire everybody.


http://www.americanselect.org/

Guest 08-01-2011 09:42 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 376344)
There is a giant leadership vacuum in Washington, DC that isn't just one party. Everyone involved in this issue has shown a lack of leadership. Every dollar currently being spent by the government was included in a bill already passed by the Congress. Every dollar! But now, when the debt limit must be raised to accommodate all of that profligate spending, they don't have the courage to pass it. Cowards every one. It's no different than if you and I went on a bender and spent many thousands on our credit cards, then simply refused to make the payment at the end of the month. If we were really mad as hell, we would vote them all out. But we won't - it's never OUR representative's fault. This belongs in Political, for sure.

Oh you are so right on this...a friend and I were talking about this last night and made the same comment as to why things never do change in Washington.....everything is always caused by "someone else".....sort of like the "he did it" who lived in my house when I had children at home. My kids never caused any messes or mischief it was all done by "he did it". :D
Suzanne

Suzanne
Suzanne

Guest 08-01-2011 11:34 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 376335)
sammy8duck, how has he bent over backwards? What polls are you reading? What leadership has he provided to resolve this problem? The answer is none. Please look at the facts before you make these statements.

Your "teapartiers" have created, written and passed two bills in the House of Representatives to resolve this issue. Both bills were sent to the Senate controlled by Harry Reid where they were tabled. No vote allowed. He did not want the Senators to have to go on record as opposed so he tabled them and allowed no vote.

How many bills has the Senate passed? NONE. Not their job? Wrong. It is with in their power to take either bill passed by the House and change it, modify, re-write, vote on it and send it back to the house. They have not done that. They just say "I don't like those bills, send us a third one" Again no leadership.

Mr Obama has provided no bill to resolve this problem. Not his job? Wrong again. Any president can create a bill, send it to the house for sponsorship and be voted on. Name one? Obama Care. Created by this president, sponsored by Nancy Polsi and passed by the House, sent to the Senate and passed again. And that bill is the one that helped create this current crisis.

Several presidents have had this same exact problem and all provided the leadership to get it done. Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George Bush. And several had to do it with a House and Senate controlled by the other party.

Our president has provided no leadership to resolve this problem. So far all he has done is criticize those actions taken by others. It's OK to throw stones if you have a better plan, he does not have that right as he has no plan. And if you say he does, I will ask you what it is. So far it is only rhetoric.

The agreements made by all those Presidents were a compromise. Ronald Reagen agreed to raise taxes along with cutting costs. The tea partiers refused to compromise.

Guest 08-01-2011 12:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 376420)
The agreements made by all those Presidents were a compromise. Ronald Reagen agreed to raise taxes along with cutting costs. The tea partiers refused to compromise.

Does it occur to you that "the tea partiers" did what their constituents elected them to do?

If their constituents had wanted otherwise, they would have voted for the ones who absolutely refuse to stop the drunken spending and printing of money out of thin air, digging us further and further into debt and interest payments that are beyond comprehension!

These elected congressmen have a responsibility to do what their constituents tell them to do, NOT what others around the nation want. It would be irresponsible of them to do otherwise!

Guest 08-01-2011 12:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 376336)
Well the deal has been made so we will all live on happy and rich now. The vote on Monday will finalize the debate.

Don't bet on it! They may cut back over 3 trillion in spending now, but don't be surprised if new spending exceeding that amount is created in the future resulting in a net increase in spending over the cutback period!

BTW, for those who say vote them all out of office, well that's exactly what the tea partiers did last November in the majority of cases. And now it's still being advocated that those they voted in also be voted out next time, even though they are doing exactly what was expected of them by the citizens that voted them in. What sense does that make?

If your representative, senator or president makes every reasonable and apparant attempt to do what you voted them in to do, then reward them when their re-election comes up. But if they don't, then kick their sorry butts out to the street!
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Note: I was preparing my post while ilovetv's was posted, and I did not see it before making this one!

Guest 08-01-2011 12:50 PM

Wouldn't it be great if someone in the mainstream media had the guts to run this on the evening news. This guy really hit it on the head.:BigApplause:


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