Not all democrats amrch obediently to Obama's legacy drum beat. The issues at hand that could be unacceptable to any and all open minded American citizens, like immediate lifting of the sanctions and immediate elimination of non nuclear weapons sanctions.

These are the two major issues that will strengthen Iran and provide more resources to continue to support and promote terrorism

The chanting in the streets this past week of death to America and their commanding general of all ground forces on record stating no matter what agreement is reached, America remains the enemy of Iran.

These two issues have been presented as unacceptable by both parties in Washington.

At some point it becomes reality that any strengthening of an enemy will eventually result in American deaths. That is sufficient incentive to lay partisan politics aside.

Let the Obama legacy no matter what drum beaters be acknowledged and then move their minority position off to the side.

Seems to me, just quickly hearing some terms that this is a great deal for Russia and anti Israel terrorists.

Russia already talking about gearing up arms sales to Iran, and no mention of stopping Iran from arming the terrorists.

The amatuer team of Barry and Kerry, two legacy seekers (instead of the well being of the USA and the world....against the bad guys of the world who are doing and getting done what it is they need to nuture and grow the bad guys.....all the while laughing as they compare notes on progress.

All the bad guys have to do is tune into the USA media to find out what Obama will do if America does not approve his legacy moves.

Skilled bad guy negotiators against self centered politicians who will not be in power to witness the results of their stupidity.....the bad guys will be with our help.

Between this issue and the one about immigration it is obvious we the people are not yet inspired or frightened enough about the pending results if we do not stop the giving away of America for the sake of personal gains by an incompetent community organizer put at the controls of the greates nation on earth.....

Wondering about the five Americans being held prisoner there ? One at least for being a christian.

Wonder why this would not be part of a deal

How do you negotiate a deal with two countries on your "side", Russia, and China, who benefit from the deal with Iran? What guarantee do you have that Russia, and China will go along with increased sanctions against Iran, if the deal fell through? Given the makeup of the p5 plus one, Kerry was not dealing from a position of strength.

Talk about hindsight, the economic sanctions should not lifted in the first place unless the items in dispute weren't that far apart.

Concerning the dancing in the street of Iran, I am sure you could a group of trained monkeys to chant how great America is.

Don't worry Iran will never get nuclear weapons. Israel will see to that. It will a hellva lot more than four planes leveling the nuclear sites.

Stop this nonsense about Obama and Kerry legacy being the reason a deal was made with Iran. If Iran cheats on the deal, you will be dancing in the street, because their legacy will go down the drain.

The restrictions posed by "Guest" and the resultant anonymity has made this forum essentially worthless

In an attempt to avoid controversy, TOTV has managed to ensure mediocrity and loss of interest.

Some posts would be an improvement as they achieve mediocrity.

It would be nice, although many of us know who they are, to have everyone be aware of the character lacking trolls.

As per usual now that the agreement has been reached we will find out what is in it....sound familiar?

Here is one revelation that Iran demanded:

Iran Bans U.S. Inspectors from All Nuclear Sites | Washington Free Beacon

It would be of interest to hear a non political reason why?

There hasn't been a post on this thread, since the Presidents news conference. He made it clear he wanted to know what the alternative is. War! There is no guarantee that everyone will join back in with the sanctions, if the deal falls through because of Congress.

Won't Congress be giving the P5 plus one the unmistakable impression that they know better how to deal with Iran than the people in the P5 plus one that worked for a very long time on the deal?

You don't think the governments around the world will think that Congress is playing politics as usual. Democrats voting against the President might give some believability to overriding the veto. Who will be negotiating a new agreement with Iran, if Congress overrides the veto? Kerry! Is someone going to talk to Russia, and China before they vote to override the veto to see, if they are willing to reinstate the sanctions?

Overriding the veto is playing with fire.

When I say from time to time that Obama and now Kerry speak to a subject they feel they have addressed and solved of fixed the problem or issue being discussed.

Most recent Kerry example when answering about the American catives in Iran and I am paraphrasing..."there was not a single session where these captives were not brought up".

In his political view of just about everything he thinks he did the job, by bringing it up. In the real world he is looking mighty stupid. If they were brought up in every session and an agreement is reach....and the prisoners are not a part of the agreement what does that imply? Mean? Portray?

There had to be more important bits of give and take than the prisoners?
Kerry did not negotiate from strength, he either left them on the table or caved in to Iran for something else? Something else? Still waiting to hear what did we get from the deal.

I will allow that maybe....MAYBE they agreed that they not be part of the agreement and Iran at some future date, will make a benevelent gesture and release the prisoners, so Obama and Kerry can swoon and get in the face of the camera stating to the effect....se what good comes from open dialogue and friendship with an adversary.

If anybody does not care for my hypothesis then present why you think (we know none of us know) the prisoners were brought up every session they were in but did not make the priority list of the agreement.

Politicians, especially lawyer trained politicians have no attachment what so ever to the realities of their constituency.
That is why they (ALL) talk a good game and nothing gets done. UNless it is special interest, re-election or personal agenda driven!

The final question should be, do you feel safer under the Iran deal. You have no say on the agreement. We are too far down on the food chain for that.

I disagree....see my answers in the quote.

Congress won't even be debating or voting on the Iran deal until September, after their August recess. There is plenty of time to contact our congress people and attend town hall meetings.

Could the other five countries go ahead with the Iran deal even if our congress votes it down?

Politicians, especially lawyer trained politicians have no attachment what so ever to the realities of their constituency. That is why they (ALL) talk a good game and nothing gets done. UNless it is special interest, re-election or personal agenda driven.

When you talk in absolutes, you are usually proven wrong. If that was the case, we wouldn't have any social programs unless you throw social programs into the personal agenda category. Without a doubt especially now most of them fall into the category above. Low lifes! Kerry said the prisoners were brought up in every meeting. That is an absolute. So, he probably full of crap.

Doesn't it makes sense that there are prisoners from the other P5 plus one countries in jail also? They are probably not from Russia or China, but from the other three countries. If they weren't, why would our partners in these talks let our prisoners stop the agreement? Sometimes, we think to much of ourselves. We weren't the only country in the talks with Iran.

If we back out of the agreement, what is the alternative, especially if the UN countries think we are the problem not Iran? Sanctions from us and a few countries in Europe aren't worth a damn. Stop talking about Iran getting the bomb 10-15 years from now, talk about now. What the hell is the alternative now that we signed the agreement?