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Guest 09-07-2015 11:53 AM

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Anybody who thinks Obama cares about anything other than being able to say he did the deal no other president could get done.

He is like the guy who owns a restaurant and claims there is nothing wrong with the chicken...they have been government inspected.

And like the Obama deal (and all it is is a deal...not a negotiation) the reality is in pursuing the details.
Like the restaurant owner who did not reveal....the chickens were indeed government inspected........they failed and were rejected.

The Obama Iran Deal is the same. And keeping the deal either sevret or none of our business makes sure the details will not be known........
hence Obama promotes his personal agenda with a BS snow job......AGAIN!

Yep, the so-called Obama transparency administration. As transparent as a mirror, and with Obama it is all smoke and mirrors.

Guest 09-07-2015 01:38 PM

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As founded! The American that only male property owners could vote. Slavery was a way of life. That America!

The irony is, except for those male property owners who founded America (not unusual by the way for the 18th century), you'd probably be an ignorant serf working on a landed estate somewhere.

You really should learn to appreciate what you were LUCKY enough to have been born into ... how ungrateful

Guest 09-07-2015 03:25 PM

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We have too many liberals? The majority of voters elected Pres. Obama. Majority rules!

Liberals do not know compromise? Horse hockey! Don't forget that the Republicans have tried to deny just about all of the ideas of the President and the nickname for Republicans is "G'Noper".

No, the majority of voters did not elect him, a slight majority (2.2% more than Romney) elected him of those eligible to vote. Unfortunately, of the 229, 700,000 people in the US eligible to vote in the last Presidential election, sadly only 126.853,000 actually voted (all Census Bureau numbers), thus it was 28.7% of those eligible to vote that elected him as compared to 26.5% for Romney. But then, the popular vote does not technically matter anyway as the Electoral College vote is what the election is decided by.

As to compromise, when was the last time that Obama compromised on anything? I may be wrong, it has happened before, but I cannot seriously remember any issue where he compromised at all, at least not to any extent that made the news??

Guest 09-07-2015 03:30 PM

God bless our kids. Obama has just put their lives at risk. America very vulnerable

Guest 09-07-2015 04:39 PM

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Brainwashed.
Yes, ACA was anti-American, but that is my opinion. It's the left's attempt to socialize medicine, European style. We'll see if they succeed.
Wealth discrimination is anti-American. It discriminates, therefore anti-American.
The "great recession" turned out to be great, because Obama ineptly mishandled recovery and the economy recovered on it's own at a slower pace. Much slower. And don't forget that it was the Dem congress that was instrumental in the mortgage crisis. Bush was blocked every time he requested an audit of Fanny and Freddy. So if you weren't so lazy, you could do some research to see that just because Obie said it was Bush's fault doesn't necessarily mean it was.
The gov being shut down is not a new thing. It's happened before. How many years did the Democrat majority run administration NOT have a budget? Record length of time.
Voter ID does NOT target the minorities, unless they are guilty of voter fraud. It may target the illegals that might try to vote, and they are a minority. Voter ID is constitutional. You are required by law to be a U.S. citizen. Therefore, to prove you are a citizen, you should be required to provide proof. The honor system is hardly credible. And I would love to see you provide me proof that there are still folks out there that vote that don't have a form of ID. That is just liberal's speaking in fear of losing some votes.
Obama anti-American? Yes, please tell when you have ever seen another president that has sued a state when they were upholding the immigration laws. Show me another president that immediately took the side of criminals because they were black, when a police officer was required to use force when doing his duty. Show me another president that disobeyed a supreme court decision that told him that his ban on gulf drilling was illegal? Do I really need to go on. You have heard it all before. I can google for you if you really are interested in an answer. But, something tells me that you are not interested in an answer.

This is this history of the Affordable Care Act. The left attempt to socialize medicine. All the main parts are Republican ideas. This is from Wikipedia.
Background

Main articles: Health care reform in the United States and Health care reform debate in the United States

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act consists of a combination of measures to control healthcare costs, and an expansion of coverage through public and private insurance: broader Medicaid eligibility and Medicare coverage, and subsidized, regulated private insurance. An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[57] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (which nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs it, the government often indirectly bore the cost of those without the ability to pay.[58][59][60]

When President Bill Clinton proposed a healthcare reform bill in 1993 that included a mandate for employers to provide health insurance to all employees through a regulated marketplace of health maintenance organizations, Republican Senators proposed an alternative that would have required individuals, but not employers, to buy insurance.[59] Ultimately the Clinton plan failed amid an unprecedented barrage of negative advertising funded by politically conservative groups and the health insurance industry and due to concerns that it was overly complex.[61] After failing to obtain a comprehensive reform of the healthcare system, Clinton negotiated a compromise with the 105th Congress to instead enact the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in 1997.[62]





John Chafee
The 1993 Republican alternative, introduced by Senator John Chafee as the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act, contained a "universal coverage" requirement with a penalty for noncompliance—an individual mandate—as well as subsidies to be used in state-based 'purchasing groups'.[63] Advocates for the 1993 bill included prominent Republicans who today oppose a mandate, such as Senators Orrin Hatch, Chuck Grassley, Bob Bennett, and Kit Bond.[64][65] Of the 43 Republicans Senators from 1993, 20 supported the HEART Act.[57][66] Another Republican proposal, introduced in 1994 by Senator Don Nickles (R-OK), the Consumer Choice Health Security Act, contained an individual mandate with a penalty provision;[67] however, Nickles subsequently removed the mandate from the bill, stating he had decided "that government should not compel people to buy health insurance".[68] At the time of these proposals, Republicans did not raise constitutional issues with the mandate; Mark Pauly, who helped develop a proposal that included an individual mandate for George H.W. Bush, remarked, "I don’t remember that being raised at all. The way it was viewed by the Congressional Budget Office in 1994 was, effectively, as a tax."[57]





Mitt Romney's Massachusetts went from 90% of its residents insured to 98%, the highest rate in the nation.[69]
In 2006, an insurance expansion bill was enacted at the state level in Massachusetts. The bill contained both an individual health insurance mandate and an insurance exchange. Republican Governor Mitt Romney vetoed the mandate, but after Democrats overrode his veto, he signed it into law.[70] Romney's implementation of the 'Health Connector' exchange and individual mandate in Massachusetts was at first lauded by Republicans. During Romney's 2008 presidential campaign, Senator Jim DeMint praised Romney's ability to "take some good conservative ideas, like private health insurance, and apply them to the need to have everyone insured." Romney said of the individual mandate: "I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be the model for the nation."[71]

In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called "State Health Help Agencies".[60][71] The bill initially attracted bipartisan support but died in committee. Many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.[72]

By 2008 many Democrats were considering using this approach as the basis for healthcare reform. Experts have said that the legislation that eventually emerged from Congress in 2009 and 2010 bears many similarities to the 2007 bill[63] and that it was deliberately patterned after Romney's state healthcare plan.[73] Jonathan Gruber, a professor of economics at MIT and an architect of Massachusetts' health care reform who advised the Clinton and Obama presidential campaigns on healthcare issues, served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration, and helped draft the ACA

Guest 09-07-2015 05:05 PM

Let the Regressives yap and yap as much as they want. Just like the title of the thread says - The Iran Nuclear Deal is Done - and it is another WIN for the Obama Administration.:BigApplause:

The Affordable Care Act is another WIN for the Obama Administration and for the USA. Let the Regressives yap even more. Who cares what they say? They lost again!:BigApplause:

Same Sex Marriage is another WIN for the Obama Administration and for equality of all Americans. Let the Regressives yap even louder. Who cares what they say? They lost again.:BigApplause:

Go Democrats! :BigApplause:

Guest 09-07-2015 05:33 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1110277)
Brainwashed.
Yes, ACA was anti-American, but that is my opinion. It's the left's attempt to socialize medicine, European style. We'll see if they succeed.
Wealth discrimination is anti-American. It discriminates, therefore anti-American.
The "great recession" turned out to be great, because Obama ineptly mishandled recovery and the economy recovered on it's own at a slower pace. Much slower. And don't forget that it was the Dem congress that was instrumental in the mortgage crisis. Bush was blocked every time he requested an audit of Fanny and Freddy. So if you weren't so lazy, you could do some research to see that just because Obie said it was Bush's fault doesn't necessarily mean it was.
The gov being shut down is not a new thing. It's happened before. How many years did the Democrat majority run administration NOT have a budget? Record length of time.
Voter ID does NOT target the minorities, unless they are guilty of voter fraud. It may target the illegals that might try to vote, and they are a minority. Voter ID is constitutional. You are required by law to be a U.S. citizen. Therefore, to prove you are a citizen, you should be required to provide proof. The honor system is hardly credible. And I would love to see you provide me proof that there are still folks out there that vote that don't have a form of ID. That is just liberal's speaking in fear of losing some votes.
Obama anti-American? Yes, please tell when you have ever seen another president that has sued a state when they were upholding the immigration laws. Show me another president that immediately took the side of criminals because they were black, when a police officer was required to use force when doing his duty. Show me another president that disobeyed a supreme court decision that told him that his ban on gulf drilling was illegal? Do I really need to go on. You have heard it all before. I can google for you if you really are interested in an answer. But, something tells me that you are not interested in an answer.


Research on the causes of the Great Recession. You can start here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes...reat_Recession

Freddy and Fannie are hardly mentioned. When B. Frank, and C. Dodd proposed legislation to stop the abuse, the Republicans fought it.

Concerning voter ID laws, it doesn't target minorities. You have to provide a form of id. Plenty of items that were acceptable before are not now. The voter id laws in Republican states are asking for a limited number of acceptable ids. A gun permit is acceptable, but a student picture id isn't. You provided valid id, when you registered to vote. Now answer this question, how do you explain the Republican speaker of the Penn. House comment, after Penn. voter id law was passed, "We just gave Penn. to Romney." I have the question five times before, and no one has answered it.

Government shut down isn't new. The Republicans want to shut down the government, if they don't get their own way. They are acting like little children. I going to take my ball, and go home. When has this tactic worked for them in the past seven years. The sequester. Who the hell is yelling the loudest about how the sequester has affected the military?

Obama took the side of the black criminal. You talking about Ferguson. That one was an either/or situation. There was nothing there that could be proven either way. What about the 13 year old shot in Cleveland? The black that got his back snapped in Baltimore. The black that got shot in the back for a traffic violation. The black that got strangled to death in NYC. The police have been murdered by blacks. I haven't seen or heard Obama coming to the defense of the black murderers. Killing a policeman should be punishable by death in every state no matter what their view of capital punishment is.

Guest 09-07-2015 06:13 PM

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Research on the causes of the Great Recession. You can start here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes...reat_Recession

Freddy and Fannie are hardly mentioned. When B. Frank, and C. Dodd proposed legislation to stop the abuse, the Republicans fought it.

Concerning voter ID laws, it doesn't target minorities. You have to provide a form of id. Plenty of items that were acceptable before are not now. The voter id laws in Republican states are asking for a limited number of acceptable ids. A gun permit is acceptable, but a student picture id isn't. You provided valid id, when you registered to vote. Now answer this question, how do you explain the Republican speaker of the Penn. House comment, after Penn. voter id law was passed, "We just gave Penn. to Romney." I have the question five times before, and no one has answered it.

Government shut down isn't new. The Republicans want to shut down the government, if they don't get their own way. They are acting like little children. I going to take my ball, and go home. When has this tactic worked for them in the past seven years. The sequester. Who the hell is yelling the loudest about how the sequester has affected the military?

Obama took the side of the black criminal. You talking about Ferguson. That one was an either/or situation. There was nothing there that could be proven either way. What about the 13 year old shot in Cleveland? The black that got his back snapped in Baltimore. The black that got shot in the back for a traffic violation. The black that got strangled to death in NYC. The police have been murdered by blacks. I haven't seen or heard Obama coming to the defense of the black murderers. Killing a policeman should be punishable by death in every state no matter what their view of capital punishment is.

Wow, talking about rewriting history, you take the cake. Bush attempted to get fanny and freddy audited on more than three different times. Barney Frank refused to allow it. Period.
But, go ahead and divert to protect your messiah. Make up all the BS you want. Only you are fooled. No one else but you liberals that refuse to open your eyes.
As far as him defending criminals. That's history and if you don't know, then you are not very well versed on current or past events. How about that boy thug that he said could have been his son? That's just one.
You haven't heard of him defending black murderers? You have to be kidding. He always blames the cops for every incident. He always says they handled the situation wrong and that those protesters have a good reason to protest.

You know, I can address every falsehood you throw out there but I tired of teaching you. Use your brain and do some research. Look at both sides and then use some common sense and determine which is fact and which is false.

The Iran deal is bad and no deal would have been better. We had it better before they bumbled the whole thing. And if you were to read about it and see who got the benefits of it, you would understand how screwed up it is.

Guest 09-07-2015 06:14 PM

And please don't give me that cr@P about the minority being hosed over by an ID law. You are lying and can't prove anything you say about it. You can't even produce one person that doesn't have an ID. You are just parroting liberal talking points that can't be substantiated.

Guest 09-07-2015 06:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1110579)
This is this history of the Affordable Care Act. The left attempt to socialize medicine. All the main parts are Republican ideas. This is from Wikipedia.
Background

Main articles: Health care reform in the United States and Health care reform debate in the United States

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act consists of a combination of measures to control healthcare costs, and an expansion of coverage through public and private insurance: broader Medicaid eligibility and Medicare coverage, and subsidized, regulated private insurance. An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[57] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (which nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs it, the government often indirectly bore the cost of those without the ability to pay.[58][59][60]

When President Bill Clinton proposed a healthcare reform bill in 1993 that included a mandate for employers to provide health insurance to all employees through a regulated marketplace of health maintenance organizations, Republican Senators proposed an alternative that would have required individuals, but not employers, to buy insurance.[59] Ultimately the Clinton plan failed amid an unprecedented barrage of negative advertising funded by politically conservative groups and the health insurance industry and due to concerns that it was overly complex.[61] After failing to obtain a comprehensive reform of the healthcare system, Clinton negotiated a compromise with the 105th Congress to instead enact the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in 1997.[62]





John Chafee
The 1993 Republican alternative, introduced by Senator John Chafee as the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act, contained a "universal coverage" requirement with a penalty for noncompliance—an individual mandate—as well as subsidies to be used in state-based 'purchasing groups'.[63] Advocates for the 1993 bill included prominent Republicans who today oppose a mandate, such as Senators Orrin Hatch, Chuck Grassley, Bob Bennett, and Kit Bond.[64][65] Of the 43 Republicans Senators from 1993, 20 supported the HEART Act.[57][66] Another Republican proposal, introduced in 1994 by Senator Don Nickles (R-OK), the Consumer Choice Health Security Act, contained an individual mandate with a penalty provision;[67] however, Nickles subsequently removed the mandate from the bill, stating he had decided "that government should not compel people to buy health insurance".[68] At the time of these proposals, Republicans did not raise constitutional issues with the mandate; Mark Pauly, who helped develop a proposal that included an individual mandate for George H.W. Bush, remarked, "I don’t remember that being raised at all. The way it was viewed by the Congressional Budget Office in 1994 was, effectively, as a tax."[57]





Mitt Romney's Massachusetts went from 90% of its residents insured to 98%, the highest rate in the nation.[69]
In 2006, an insurance expansion bill was enacted at the state level in Massachusetts. The bill contained both an individual health insurance mandate and an insurance exchange. Republican Governor Mitt Romney vetoed the mandate, but after Democrats overrode his veto, he signed it into law.[70] Romney's implementation of the 'Health Connector' exchange and individual mandate in Massachusetts was at first lauded by Republicans. During Romney's 2008 presidential campaign, Senator Jim DeMint praised Romney's ability to "take some good conservative ideas, like private health insurance, and apply them to the need to have everyone insured." Romney said of the individual mandate: "I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be the model for the nation."[71]

In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called "State Health Help Agencies".[60][71] The bill initially attracted bipartisan support but died in committee. Many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.[72]

By 2008 many Democrats were considering using this approach as the basis for healthcare reform. Experts have said that the legislation that eventually emerged from Congress in 2009 and 2010 bears many similarities to the 2007 bill[63] and that it was deliberately patterned after Romney's state healthcare plan.[73] Jonathan Gruber, a professor of economics at MIT and an architect of Massachusetts' health care reform who advised the Clinton and Obama presidential campaigns on healthcare issues, served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration, and helped draft the ACA

At least you said it was from Wikipedia. An actual link would have been better.

That said, because Wiki can be edited by anyone at anytime, it is a poor source.

Anyone vetted in political forums should be aware of this.

Guest 09-07-2015 08:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1110605)
And please don't give me that cr@P about the minority being hosed over by an ID law. You are lying and can't prove anything you say about it. You can't even produce one person that doesn't have an ID. You are just parroting liberal talking points that can't be substantiated.

The Republican Speaker of the house in Penn. said after the they passed voter id laws, "We just gave Penn to Romney". A judge stopped enforcement the voter id law. It was aimed directly at Penn. inner city minorities. That was obvious to anyone that was looking. I'm lying. I am parroting liberal talking points. You don't have a damn idea what you are talking about.

Guest 09-07-2015 08:21 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1110604)
Wow, talking about rewriting history, you take the cake. Bush attempted to get fanny and freddy audited on more than three different times. Barney Frank refused to allow it. Period.
But, go ahead and divert to protect your messiah. Make up all the BS you want. Only you are fooled. No one else but you liberals that refuse to open your eyes.
As far as him defending criminals. That's history and if you don't know, then you are not very well versed on current or past events. How about that boy thug that he said could have been his son? That's just one.
You haven't heard of him defending black murderers? You have to be kidding. He always blames the cops for every incident. He always says they handled the situation wrong and that those protesters have a good reason to protest.

You know, I can address every falsehood you throw out there but I tired of teaching you. Use your brain and do some research. Look at both sides and then use some common sense and determine which is fact and which is false.

The Iran deal is bad and no deal would have been better. We had it better before they bumbled the whole thing. And if you were to read about it and see who got the benefits of it, you would understand how screwed up it is.

You are totally beyond hope. You read the facts that led up to the Great Recession, and you are sticking to the total nonsense that it was Barney Franks fault for not letting "W" audit Freddy and Fannie. That is so ridiculous that I don't even know how to respond to that. Do you even know what Freddy and Fannie are, and what function they perform?

You keep on talking about research, but there is no evidence at all that you research anything. The only thing that you have taught me is not to believe a damn word that you say.

Did you see the Colin Powell interview on Meet The Press? Of course not, why would you! It is completely opposite of everything that Fox News, and Republican party are drilling into your head. But facts be damn.

Guest 09-12-2015 02:50 PM

This is certainly interesting.....

"DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran has discovered an unexpectedly high reserve of uranium and will soon begin extracting the radioactive element at a new mine, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation said on Saturday.

The comments cast doubt on previous assessments from some Western analysts who said the country had a low supply and would sooner or later would need to import uranium, the raw material needed for its nuclear program."


Iran says finds unexpectedly high uranium reserve - Yahoo News

Firm deal..we are all over this !

Guest 09-12-2015 05:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1113060)
This is certainly interesting.....

"DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran has discovered an unexpectedly high reserve of uranium and will soon begin extracting the radioactive element at a new mine, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation said on Saturday.

The comments cast doubt on previous assessments from some Western analysts who said the country had a low supply and would sooner or later would need to import uranium, the raw material needed for its nuclear program."


Iran says finds unexpectedly high uranium reserve - Yahoo News

Firm deal..we are all over this !

Not to worry I am sure ol' hinge heels, Barry and Kerry got it covered in the agreement.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Guest 09-12-2015 05:31 PM

Giving Iran back their money and releasing them from sanctions is the worst thing the deal did. Now they are already negotiating purchases of missile systems from Russia and France.


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