Ok, I admit it. I would much, much MUCH rather be married to my dog than you.

Yeah, sorry, I still don't get it nor do I see it. Just because they wanted a response from someone of a certain belief system and requested that, that makes them hateful? I really want to try to understand what I see as many overreactions on this forum instead of genuine discussion. This is why I am pursuing this discussion. This forum would be much more enjoyable if we could just answer one another's questions in a civil manner and with respect. Best regards back to you.

I prefer to wait and discuss things of priority tha either will affect my life or that I can make a contribution to others.

Yes I believe the design of our maker was one man and one woman. And it is OK by me if there are some minority, special interests that are different.

Just don't expect me to promote it. And in my opinion the subject is given far more attention than it deserves.

Do what you wany but please stay out of my face with stuff in the overall standing of what is going on in the world....hardly matters!

Agree. Sick of hearing this with all going on in the world more important. And make no mistake, the "gay rights" agenda , which includes indoctrinating kindergartners with pro-homosexual propaganda and legalizing same sex marriage is extraordinarily subversive to America's foundational values and institutions. To understand whats happened, you have to look at the media

...and you would rather have kids believing that LBGT people are perverted and should be ridiculed? Or maybe have all LBGT's rounded up and put into compounds all to themselves?

Wasn't something like at done by a political party in the late 1930's somewhere?

Well I know for one it was never a topic for discussion in kindergarten in my day. As a matter of fact it was not even on anybody's radar. Nobody cared who was what....in the closet or not.

And I certainly would like to think the subject is not discussed in kindergarten today. That is not what the kids are in school to find out about.

When will the subject seek it's real pririty in the scheme of life. It is only page one news and a topic for supporters and political gain and radicals for a sepcific agenda.

A very, very small portion of the population. That given a choice most would have left things the way they were....like it or not.

OK so we live in a permissive, nothing matters anymore, do not upset anybody and the lone cry in the wilderness is treated as if it was a majority.

IT IS NOT THE PRIORITY OF THE DAY!!!!!!

I am sick and tired of hearing about it. More sick and tired of those who keep bellowing about it every chance they get. I aam sick of seeing it in every television show, movie, news report and fart in the wind.

The other 98% of us do not care about it anymore today than we did years ago. And seeing it and hearing it every day is tantamount to :swear: bull
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Legalizing same sex marriage would contradict evidence which shows monogamous , heterosexual marriage is the best family setting for the rearing of children.

I am with this poster 100%!!!!!!!

You mention that same sex marriage is only for a specific agenda. Yes, and that agenda is EQUALITY. LBGT people have gained much ground but still lack all the legal protections as married couples.

and because .5 percent of the people are gay we need to have it plastered across our television, computer and newspaper? I have to ask why do you need this attention?

I am Christian and I do not like it pushed into my face all the time. Would you push pork on a muslim? No you would be arrested! This is a Christian nation and we all have it blasting into our homes....why!? To take what is really going on into the back ground?

Actually some lady in the UK recently tried to marry her cat.

But, the next "civil rights issue" after gay marriage is fully normalized will then move on to legalizing polyamory and polygamy. After all, "who is to say" multiple people can't love each other?

After that .... hard to say when, but NAMBLA will start to say "...we want to be considered normal too" (my paraphrasing.)

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Ok, so you're a self-identified liberal gay rights advocate?

This must also mean you are highly Islamophobic. The reason I say that is you, and many other gay advocates, constantly parade the gay lifestyle before all of society. Look at any TV show these days.

Given that homosexuality is a crime punishable by death under Islam, why do you constantly provoke the Muslims in the way that you do?

Excellent point. Maybe the gay activists should concentrate on Muslims and how they kill gays. We don't do that in America but you are correct we do parade it on TV. I can't even watch a prime time show anymore on the ABC channels without my stomach wanting to turn. Its constantly being shoved down our throats trying to brainwash us into thinking its normal

i think those who care about the abysmal standards "paraded" on our tv shows today should cancel their cable subscriptions en masse and begin just streaming the shows which they feel are wholesome into their homes....the cable companies would get the message that there are millions of us who don't appreciate these degrading programs...i just had my major cable stations greatly reduced and i am finding that i don't miss them at all. what i really want i can see on the computer.

Some guy or gal could make a gazillion dollars by inventing scanning software for your remote that skips, alerts or otherwise bypasses shows with gay content ... kind of like another warning label. It could apply to other objectionable content as well.

Well, thank goodness that you have "19 & Counting" to look at since it has all of the family values you desire:1rotfl:. Just think, you and Mike Huckabee:clap2: might be watching the same show at the same time!

BS.

Looks like the majority on the board favor traditional marriage

It is a good thing that the US Supreme Court does not have narrow minds.

The US Supreme Court can make gay marriage legal, but they can't make us like it.

the next legal battle will be churches being penalized for not wanting to perform same sex marriages. i think all churches should prepare to give up their federal tax exempt status if they hope to maintain their beliefs without interference from govt. money is tempting.

And were you similarly upset when Bill Cosby got casted in I spy? Or when you had to read Native Son. While the arts are partially to entertain, a more important function of art and literature is to inform. And to hold a mirror up so the dominant culture can see its warts. This isn't a new idea. Jonathan Swift and Charles Dickens skewered the WASP culture in England without mercy. If it is your turn to be skewered perhaps you can see it as an honor.

One of my favorite television shows is "Modern Family". Mitchell and Cameron are just great together. I recently found out the actor that plays Cameron is straight and has a wife and family. The one playing Mitchell is gay and married.

Watch the show. You probably would enjoy it. Great comedy.

The examples offered are not of the same issue.

Perhaps its now time for a genuine counter-revolution in values? Let's keep it peaceful, but I for one, have had it. We are still the majority. We still have the numbers but we have been intimidated into silence by a tiny minority that holds genuinely perverse views which are harmful to society, our kids and the future.

Time to change that, and to get the power of government on our side vs being against us.

Sounds kind of Hitler-esque, doesn't it?

No, not in the least. Given that you would say that indicates your ongoing lack of any historical knowledge.

Reining in an out of control government and corrupt moral culture is as American as apple pie.

You can only push the majority so far before they fight back. We're at that point.

Their is a SIGNIFICANT number of members of TOTV that support gay rights / marriage that simply do not post in this forum because it is the equivalent of ****ing in the wind.

That is an uncalled for and irrelevant remark.
It is OK to be of the minorty representaion, but there is no reason to denegrate an opposing view......from a majority representative.

I for one am part of what I hope is a growing number in America. I am not and never have been intimidated by anybody, including the US government.

Like very many of us in that majority, I do respect others views/preferences even those I disagree with. I do not however accept being harassed day and night by a minority group, examples purporting to be an established new norm.

Our life and our diminished family and core values are affected by the ever present 24/7 internet and television. Two major contributors to the decline of many of our core values, including killing, rape, murder, mayhem, etc.

Like many others in the majority, I believe in live and let live but am sick and tired of the minoriity and special interest minorities running over the rest of us.

On the subject of same-sex marriage, all of the recent polls show that 60% of Americans support it, that is a majority. If there were a national referendum in this country, as they had in Ireland, the results would be virtually the same.

In the 37 states, plus the District of Columbia, that allow same-sex marriage , the majority say it has had no negative impact on their lives.

On the other hand, if people think it is time for a peaceful counter-revolution, the best place to start is at the ballot box. Working to sign up new voters would be a good starting point.

The 2016 election could very well be decided by Florida. President Obama basically won FL twice because he carried the I-4 corridor. The GOP nominee must win Florida in order to get elected.

How ever many that is is of no consequence. And if they choose to not participate where ALL fall over and wave rianbow flags, that is their choice.
Just because there is opposition does not equate tp ****ing in the wind......it merely reflects the reality of life that there are differences of opinion.

Obviously a very difficult concept for some.

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After women marry women and men marry men can a man marry two , three, women etc?? Sharia law is here and the Muslims are fine with it. Why shouldn't we follow suit? Then little johnny can have the benefit of two mommies and one daddy instead of learning about being baby daddies to 2 or more women? Let's keep progressing

Unfortunately many people see the GLBT movement as a civil rights issue which it is not and /or support for a small sector of society they feel are unfairly and unnecessarily ridiculed . They also add a touch of romanticism to the mix.

Since the beginning of time people understood the differences between heterosexual and homosexual behavior some like the Greeks embraced it but not once in civilization was it suggested that a city-state should legitimize the marriage between two members of the same sex. that is until now.

In the early 1980's homosexual advocates devised a plan to strategically place in front of the population a benign and loving image of two people just trying to make it together in this world. They solicited the usual suspects and lo and behold every movie television show, etc has a gay couple living the American dream raising kids....you get my drift. By repeating this picture often enough and long enough normalized it and then socialized it.

Any objection to this arrangement subjects opponents of being haters, homophobic etc. I object for a number of reasons first and foremost it is going to open up a pandora's box the likes we have never seen. It will have serious social consequences.

I do not believe homosexuals should be discriminated against, or ridiculed but I also do not believe that the definition of marriage should ever be altered.

I am sorry but I do have a problem with a man obsessed about another man's private parts. Nor as it is often claimed do I as a male gain pleasure from witnessing two females entertaining one another. But then my taste might be too traditional for some, perhaps boring.

I do not know what the outcome of the Supreme Court's decision will be in June but I would always defer to state rights on such issues because the federal government when it chooses chooses wrong.

So one can only blink and deflate when you hearing the cheering for Ireland's decision. I also think that something is amiss in that country because I cannot believe the lads actually agree with this and hence some political heavy weights had a hand in this for self interest reasons .

finally there are a number of posters on this forum whom this entire discussion would be lost because they won't stop long enough to think he issue thoroughly through because they are too busy waving the Irish flag


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Very well said

"I do not know what the outcome of the Supreme Court's decision will be in June but I would always defer to state rights on such issues because the federal government when it chooses chooses wrong."

Good that you would go with the states decisions (37 states plus DC) that have legalized same-sex marriage. You do not have to participate in same-sex marriage - just respect it as the choice of those who do believe in it.

Same would go for legalized marijuana either for recreational use (Colorado and Washington) or for medical use as legalized in many states.

Personally, I go for the Federal government as the decision maker so we have one ruling that applies to all the UNITED States - and not 50 different laws on the same issue from 50 different states.

[QUOTE=Guest;1065117]On the subject of same-sex marriage, all of the recent polls show that 60% of Americans support it, that is a majority. If there were a national referendum in this country, as they had in Ireland, the results would be virtually the same.

In the 37 states, plus the District of Columbia, that allow same-sex marriage , the majority say it has had no negative impact on their lives.

On the other hand, if people think it is time for a peaceful counter-revolution, the best place to start is at the ballot box. Working to sign up new voters would be a good starting point.

The 2016 election could very well be decided by Florida. President Obama basically won FL twice because he carried the I-4 corridor. The GOP nominee must win Florida in order to get elected.[/Q

Who took the poll?

The laws set down by the GOD of Abraham are as valuable today as the day they were set.

An abomination does not change because on this day a select few say so.

Our morals are under attack and the world is seeing polls like this!

The push is on to make pedophilia legal. Pedophilia is allowed in Islam & babies are given in marriage.

I also agree we must not open that can of worms if we want to remain a morale society. I don't understand how liberals don't see this Do you want your grandchildren living in a society where anything goes? This is where we are heading. Once its man with man, its man with two men or even loving boys. The media is at fault for trying to force it to be viewed as normal. The kids today are already screwed up do you think its going to help them if they don't know If dad should wear slacks or a skirt? And while the Muslims come in with many wives the kids will think "cool" why can't I? It will go on and on and on.....where do we draw the line??

I am so glad my kids are all grown. Ditto for most of our grandchildren. It is the great grandchildren and their future children that will pay a price of sorts as they mature and have children. They will never know the joys and freedoms we have had and enjoyed.
But as the values and freedoms continue to devolve (I guess it is a word) the quality of life, morals and freedoms will be significantly less than we know and knew. They will have no point of reference as we have.
That is the blessing if we can call it that!

Excellent post and very well said.

As mentioned by an earlier poster, I think many in the majority are finally getting so totally fed up that some will actually become politically active to stop the assault and reverse the forces.

Homosexual marriage can claim absolutely no historical precedent or legitimacy. Snide arguments aside, it also clearly violates natural law.

You're also correct about the friendly face put on the movement. It's in large part essentially a cover for rampant male homosexuality and all that goes with the bathhouse and S&M culture. There is also a longer term target of "sharing the joys of unfettered love" with children ...ie young boys.

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We've had enough, and are finally ready to rebel (peacefully I would hope). The tipping point will be when the radical left attempts to criminalize certain Christian beliefs ...ie natural marriage.