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Guest 07-27-2011 07:44 PM

If I've Offended Anyone
 
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Yes, your right, of course. It is human nature to strike back when you feel like you have been attacked. I am as guilty as anyone. Sometimes I walk away and come back later when I calm down.

or hurt someone's feelings, I am genuinely remorseful.

Guest 07-27-2011 08:33 PM

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or hurt someone's feelings, I am genuinely remorseful.

Apology accepted. I also apologize. OK Lets have a group hug.:D

Guest 08-13-2011 09:57 AM

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Vote Obama in '12.

DaleMN

Not being disrespectful to you but trying to understand, you do not know who the Republican nominee will be, you do not know how much worst our country will be in 2012 but you say vote Obama 2012, what do you want more of from Obama, are you happy with the mood, direction of the country, economy, etc? Again just trying to understand.

Guest 08-13-2011 10:15 AM

I just have to weigh in with the attached article from CBS News at the time that George W. Bush left office.
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"President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

Seventy-three percent say they disapprove of the way Mr. Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.

Mr. Bush's final approval rating is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago.

The rating is far below the final ratings of recent two-term presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, who both ended their terms with a 68 percent approval rating, according to CBS News polling.

Recent one term presidents also had higher ratings than Mr. Bush. His father George H.W. Bush had an end-of-term rating of 54 percent, while Jimmy Carter's rating was 44 percent."

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At the present day, I believe the Obama approval rating is 41%. It is not high by any means but a heck of a lot higher than GW Bush's final rating.

Guest 08-13-2011 10:24 AM

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I just have to weigh in with the attached article from CBS News at the time that George W. Bush left office.
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"President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.

Seventy-three percent say they disapprove of the way Mr. Bush has handled his job as president over the last eight years.

Mr. Bush's final approval rating is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago.

The rating is far below the final ratings of recent two-term presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, who both ended their terms with a 68 percent approval rating, according to CBS News polling.

Recent one term presidents also had higher ratings than Mr. Bush. His father George H.W. Bush had an end-of-term rating of 54 percent, while Jimmy Carter's rating was 44 percent."

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At the present day, I believe the Obama approval rating is 41%. It is not high by any means but a heck of a lot higher than GW Bush's final rating.

I do not know how they conducted the poll, but I think Carter's rating would be closer to 5% at the most.

Guest 08-13-2011 10:47 AM

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Where do I start...? I have worked in the healthcare field for 36 years, been an x-ray, CT, and MRI technologist, director of an outpatient imaging center, and currently manage 40 employees in the departments of CT, MRI, Ultrasound, Nuclear Medicine and PET/CT. For the last 10 years I have overseen budgets in the millions and ensured patient satisfaction in numerous settings.
Having said that, I feel I have laid some ground work to be able to speak with a smidgen of authority and experience on certain matters...

First of all I think that you have it backwards about who sets the price. Medicare sets the price that they are going to pay, no questions asked. We take a beating on the reimbursement that they give. If we only got what CMS (Medicare) deems proper, we would never be able to afford the purchase let along maintenance of the cutting edge technology that we use to SAVE lives.

It is set up that we should charge for what we use even tho CMS is not going to reimburse. .......

........Off my soap box for now...Oh, I failed to mention that if we provide a service to a person who has no insurance but doesn't qualify for Medicaid/Medicare, and we charged them something less than the CMS rate, it is considered Medicare fraud!...Ok, I'm done for now. :cool:

This, quoted above by KatzPajamas, would be why:

"Canada has one of the lowest rates of MRI scanning machines per capita in the developed world, with 6 MRI scanners per million people, compared to 40.1 in Japan, 14.4 in Switzerland and 26.6 in the United States. Pittsburgh alone has more MRI machines than all of Canada..........


MRI scans have become an essential diagnostic imaging tool, revealing problems that aren’t detectable by other more common tests such as x-rays and ultrasounds.

Also, MRI scans have the advantage of avoiding the ionizing radiation that’s used in other radiology tests such as X-rays, computed tomography (CT) scans and positron emission (PET) scans. ....

The social safety net that is Canada’s health care system was designed to ensure everyone is able to access necessary exams. But what do you do when you simply can’t wait the typical 12 to 18 months’ delay for your MRI scan?...."

http://www.bcliving.ca/self/mri-scan...ate-mri-clinic

Guest 08-13-2011 11:14 AM

http://www.liberallychallenged.com/w...re-is-done.jpg

Guest 08-13-2011 12:51 PM

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DaleMN

Not being disrespectful to you but trying to understand, you do not know who the Republican nominee will be, you do not know how much worst our country will be in 2012 but you say vote Obama 2012, what do you want more of from Obama, are you happy with the mood, direction of the country, economy, etc? Again just trying to understand.

Plain and simple. I am a lifelong Democrat and in the 12 presidential elections that I have been eligible to vote in I have yet to find a Republican candidate that I would vote for.
As far as the mood, direction of the country and the economy, no I am not entirely happy but I firmly believe I would be even less happy if McCain were now in the White House.

Guest 08-13-2011 02:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 381552)
Plain and simple. I am a lifelong Democrat and in the 12 presidential elections that I have been eligible to vote in I have yet to find a Republican candidate that I would vote for.
As far as the mood, direction of the country and the economy, no I am not entirely happy but I firmly believe I would be even less happy if McCain were now in the White House.

What could he have done to damage this country more that the Obama Administration?

Guest 08-13-2011 05:20 PM

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What could he have done to damage this country more that the Obama Administration?

Suspend his Presidency to figure out how to fix the economy????? :(

Guest 08-13-2011 05:27 PM

Obama Keeps getting Smaller
 
is the guy who ran on Hope and Change. Now everybody has no hope and the change went from bad to worst.:22yikes:

Guest 08-13-2011 05:44 PM

Heading for Jimmy Carter
 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...-territory.php

Guest 08-13-2011 08:55 PM

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Suspend his Presidency to figure out how to fix the economy????? :(

Huh?????? (the question was "what would of McCain done than would have been worse for the economy?)

Guest 08-13-2011 09:01 PM

I think that McCain would have been a bad President but at least Jimmy Carters title as Nations Worse would have been safe.

Guest 08-13-2011 10:19 PM

Don't forget (as many of you seem to have done) that GW Bush exited his last term with an approval rating of 21%. Jimmy Carter had an approval rating of 44%. Bill Clinton had 65% approval rating. President Obama has an approval rating of 41% right now. Kind of strange how a President that was impeached had an approval rating much higher than George W. Bush. Well, it just seems that figures show George W. Bush was truly the worst modern President.

Why not compare those approval ratings and figure out who American voters thought was the worst modern President? Oh, for anyone who cannot do the math - it is GW Bush.

Carter - exit approval rating of 44%.
George W. Bush - exit approval rating of 21%.
President Obama - current approval rating of 41%.

Guest 08-13-2011 11:13 PM

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Don't forget (as many of you seem to have done) that GW Bush exited his last term with an approval rating of 21%. Jimmy Carter had an approval rating of 44%. Bill Clinton had 65% approval rating. President Obama has an approval rating of 41% right now. Kind of strange how a President that was impeached had an approval rating much higher than George W. Bush. Well, it just seems that figures show George W. Bush was truly the worst modern President.

Why not compare those approval ratings and figure out who American voters thought was the worst modern President? Oh, for anyone who cannot do the math - it is GW Bush.

Carter - exit approval rating of 44%.
George W. Bush - exit approval rating of 21%.
President Obama - current approval rating of 41%.

Nice try, but a lame spin. Under Carter the country was in a malaise and people were in distress that has only been topped by the total incompetence of the present resident of the WH. Remember the "misery index"?; remember the flags outside the gas station to tell you when it was OK for you to buy gas?

GW's presidency ended with 5.7% unemployment and a AAA Credit rating. I do the math just fine.

Question unanswered: How would McCain have been worse? I know why no one has answered, but I'm having fun.

Guest 08-14-2011 07:44 AM

Nice try, my friend, but you did get your figures wrong. Unemployment was at 7.8% when Bush left office. As for the downgrading of the credit rating, there is no one but the Tea Party Republicans to blame that on. Americans have seen what happened and the Tea Party Republicans are going to find themselves in deep yougurt next times they come up for re-election.

Richie, we were frustrated at gas lines and high mortgage rates. However, some of us did really good with long term CDs with interest rates of 18%.

You just have to look at the exit approval rates. GW Bush had the lowest approval rating in history. Jimmy Carter was more than double his approval rating.

Would McCain have done better or worse? If Palin had not been his VP candidate, we might have known the answer. Even though you admire Palin, you have to admit she was the main reason the Republicans failed in 2008.

Guest 08-14-2011 08:39 AM

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As for the downgrading of the credit rating, there is no one but the Tea Party Republicans to blame that on.
Talk about getting things wrong, that's about as far from the truth as one can get.

Fact: S&P said if cut cap and balance was passed they would not downgrade our credit rating.

Fact: The "Tea Party Republications" PASSED IT.

Fact: The DEMOCRATS in the Senate wouldn't even let it come up for a vote.

Guest 08-14-2011 11:19 AM

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Would McCain have done better or worse? If Palin had not been his VP candidate, we might have known the answer. Even though you admire Palin, you have to admit she was the main reason the Republicans failed in 2008.

Never has the American public been as foolish as this, if what you say is true about the election being lost because of Gov. Sarah Palin, who has more love of God and Country and the free market economy that President Barack Hussein Obama has in his entire body; his entire family and his entire administration.

President Barack Hussein Obama who didn't even grow up in this country, but in exotic foreign locales; spent his entire adult life in academia and Democrat controlled cities, and has never had a real job producing anything, or managing anything. This has resulted in an economic policy that is rooted in grandiose ideas and not in market economics.

It should now be obvious to even the most casual observer that the election of 2008 was the most catastrophic use of the American vote in the history of this country.

Sarah Palin was the reason we got this destroyer of the American Dream for a President? People were really that uniformed and susceptible to the left wing progressive mainstream media who were so threatened by this force of nature who espouses all the ideas and values that made this country the best in the world?

People get what they deserve.

Guest 08-14-2011 01:03 PM

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Nice try, my friend, but you did get your figures wrong. Unemployment was at 7.8% when Bush left office. As for the downgrading of the credit rating, there is no one but the Tea Party Republicans to blame that on. Americans have seen what happened and the Tea Party Republicans are going to find themselves in deep yougurt next times they come up for re-election.

Richie, we were frustrated at gas lines and high mortgage rates. However, some of us did really good with long term CDs with interest rates of 18%.

You just have to look at the exit approval rates. GW Bush had the lowest approval rating in history. Jimmy Carter was more than double his approval rating.

Would McCain have done better or worse? If Palin had not been his VP candidate, we might have known the answer. Even though you admire Palin, you have to admit she was the main reason the Republicans failed in 2008.

No offense, but I have never seen a more fact challenged post in my life. You must find other sources for information.

Guest 08-14-2011 01:17 PM

Here are the statistics:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113770/Bu...sapproval.aspx

Face it, Bush was NOT a good president.

Guest 08-14-2011 01:29 PM

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Here are the statistics:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113770/Bu...sapproval.aspx

Face it, Bush was NOT a good president.

If Bush was not a good president, how would you categorize Barack Hussein Obama? I would say that Obama would be labeled a terrible president at best.

Guest 08-14-2011 02:52 PM

I put in the link to the 22% approval rating of George W. Bush when he exited office. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4728399.shtml.

I really like the way all the uber-conservatives include President Obama's full name - in an obvious way to show it is not a mainstream American name - and therefore he must be against America. As for Obama growing up in exotic, foreign locales, he was a child when he lived in Indonesia and returned to Hawaii when he was a 5th grader, I believe. That is a terrible thing?

RichieLion writes that President Obama never had a real job producing anything. So what? I do not remember from my Constitutional Law classes that was a requirement for becoming President. He is the duly elected President of the United States and was elected by a majority of the voters.

Guest 08-14-2011 03:02 PM

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If Bush was not a good president, how would you categorize Barack Hussein Obama? I would say that Obama would be labeled a terrible president at best.

Let's see:

1. Got us into the war in Iraq - Where were those weapons of mass destruction? Watch the movie "Fair Game" - the story of the White House outing of the CIA agent. How much has that cost us?

2. Financial meltdown of 2008 - Whose watch did that occur under? We are still suffering from the effects of that.

I would categorize Bush as a terrible president.

As far as Obama, thanks to the Tea Party split in the Republican party, he will have five more years left to determine how good he is.

Guest 08-14-2011 03:54 PM

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Let's see:

1. Got us into the war in Iraq - Where were those weapons of mass destruction? Watch the movie "Fair Game" - the story of the White House outing of the CIA agent. How much has that cost us?

2. Financial meltdown of 2008 - Whose watch did that occur under? We are still suffering from the effects of that.

I would categorize Bush as a terrible president.

As far as Obama, thanks to the Tea Party split in the Republican party, he will have five more years left to determine how good he is.

1. Give me the list of all who voted to war.

2. Barney Frank and his cohorts, the democrat congress, is the blame.

3.Thanks to the Tea Party, Obama will be history after one disastrous term and maybe USA will find fiscal responsibility, again.

Guest 08-14-2011 05:44 PM

None of the lefties could argue my points. Just more Bush bashing. Well you liberals, Bush has been busy honoring the troops and supporting worthy charitable causes for the last 3 years, while the "The One" has been digging the hole deeper and deeper and deeper. Try convincing anyone outside the choir you sing in that Obama is preferable. Lots of luck with that.

Here's a story from the notoriously right wing rag, The Los Angeles Times (sarcasm alert), about his rating dropping so much his true believers can't suppress it. You boys better call the LA Times and tell them all about GW.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,2481281.story

Guest 08-14-2011 06:04 PM

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I put in the link to the 22% approval rating of George W. Bush when he exited office. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4728399.shtml.

I really like the way all the uber-conservatives include President Obama's full name - in an obvious way to show it is not a mainstream American name - and therefore he must be against America. As for Obama growing up in exotic, foreign locales, he was a child when he lived in Indonesia and returned to Hawaii when he was a 5th grader, I believe. That is a terrible thing?

RichieLion writes that President Obama never had a real job producing anything. So what? I do not remember from my Constitutional Law classes that was a requirement for becoming President. He is the duly elected President of the United States and was elected by a majority of the voters.

I don't need a poll on an ex-president's approval rating at the end of his term to decide whether he was a "good" president, and I don't think most other people do, either.

All I know is that if I were a small business owner of a growing chain of hot dog stands, and if I were hiring a business manager for it, I wouldn't hire Obama to run it and expect to make enough money to pay any wages to anyone, much less make a profit.

Guest 08-14-2011 09:49 PM

in addition, where would you put the telepromters in a hot dog stand??:D

btk

Guest 08-15-2011 08:11 AM

He could scribble notes on the palm of his hand (with mustard) like Sarah Palin.

Guest 08-15-2011 08:37 AM

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He could scribble notes on the palm of his hand (with mustard) like Sarah Palin.

Did she do it in all 57 states? :D

Guest 08-15-2011 11:14 AM

Who pardoned a turkey in a YouTube video while others were being slaughtered in the background?

Who quit her elected post as governor?

Who hired a ghostwriter and is laughing all the way to the bank after duping uber-conservatives into buying the books?

Who is a very savvy business person and has parlayed her persona into millions? :cryin2:

Guest 08-15-2011 03:37 PM

Who calls the Marine Corps "Corpse"?

Guest 08-15-2011 03:40 PM

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Who calls the Marine Corps "Corpse"?

Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

Guest 08-15-2011 03:42 PM

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Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

I remember when you said the exact same thing about President Bush.

Guest 08-15-2011 03:43 PM

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Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

Yea right. I can imagine the fun the media would have had if Bush said that? Leno would have used that in his monologue for weeks.

Guest 08-15-2011 04:09 PM

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Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

If he had ever actually spent time with the good men and women of the USMC, he'd have heard it pronounced right.

He's an outsider looking in.

Guest 08-16-2011 05:11 PM

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Good Lord...have you never misspoke? Mispronouncing a word is a lot different than obvious ignorance. :(

"We're not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you're providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy." —on Wall Street reform, Quincy, Ill., April 29, 2010

"One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard." –mispronouncing "Corpsman" (the "ps" is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman's name is also Christopher, not Christian)

"The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

"The Cambridge police acted stupidly." —commenting on a white police officer's arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home in Cambridge, Mass., at a news conference, July 22, 2009

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." --in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 (Obama later called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize)

"I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." --after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008 (Obama later called Nancy Reagan to apologize)

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama's policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified (Watch video clip)

"I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008

"Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008

"Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008

"How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do -- we'll do a press avail." --to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers (Watch video clip)

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon (Watch video clip)

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference

"You're likeable enough, Hillary." --during a Democratic debate

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

~Compiled by Daniel Kurtzman

Guest 08-16-2011 07:36 PM

Happy Day Elvis Died
 
Michelle Bachmann, a big Elvis fan, wished Elvis a Happy Birthday today during her campaigning in South Carolina. She repeated it several times. Only thing today was the anniversary of Elvis' death.

Well, at least she did not say Elvis Costello

Guest 08-16-2011 07:45 PM

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Michelle Bachmann, a big Elvis fan, wished Elvis a Happy Birthday today during her campaigning in South Carolina. She repeated it several times. Only thing today was the anniversary of Elvis' death.

Well, at least she did not say Elvis Costello

I hope she don't repeat it in all 57 states.:D

Guest 08-16-2011 08:24 PM

also the quotes from the great Joe Biden, to the man in the wheelchair..."Stand up Chuck and let them see you!" and after the signing of ObamaCare bill when he stated..."this is a big F-in deal!" So happy that he could catch a few zzz's during one of the President's lovely afternoon speeches. Who could forget the squirt gun/super soaker fights on the White House lawn with that crazy kid Rahm Emmanuel! :cool:


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