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Juxtapostion of Liberal Ideology
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Old 11-25-2017, 06:03 AM
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Contrast liberalism today and compare it with liberalism at the time of the founding of this nation and you would discover a juxtaposition in many of today's liberal ideas and beliefs.

Liberalism back then meant a belief in minimal government. Liberals sought only a wise and frugal government and a government that left citizens free to regulate their own destiny. Liberals believed in the magnanimous view of human nature as was reflected in the Declaration of Independence They believed the differences of men rest with the issue of "nurture" vis a vis "nature" and hence a priority was education.

Liberals back then believed in an optimistic and confident future for the New Republic. And they believed that America was the chosen nation and the world's best hope and hence had a special role in fulfilling is future.

Quite a contrast from today's liberal party where its favorite president viewed American exceptionalism no greater than any other nation.

Liberalism today that demands equal outcomes vis a vis freedom to pursue one's own destiny

Liberalism today that favors and nourishes big and intrusive government

Liberalism today that demands people's lives be dictated by government regulations and policy.

Liberalism today that believes citizens and non citizens alike are entitled to live off the government.

Liberalism today that supports and encourages acts of non-patriotism (NFL)

Liberalism that applause's acts of treason (Snowden) and desertion (Bergdahl) in the face of enemy.

Liberalism that defends and protects criminal behavior (illegal immigration Sanctuary cities)

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Contrast liberalism today and compare it with liberalism at the time of the founding of this nation and you would discover a juxtaposition in many of today's liberal ideas and beliefs.

Liberalism back then meant a belief in minimal government. Liberals sought only a wise and frugal government and a government that left citizens free to regulate their own destiny. Liberals believed in the magnanimous view of human nature as was reflected in the Declaration of Independence They believed the differences of men rest with the issue of "nurture" vis a vis "nature" and hence a priority was education.

Liberals back then believed in an optimistic and confident future for the New Republic. And they believed that America was the chosen nation and the world's best hope and hence had a special role in fulfilling is future.

Quite a contrast from today's liberal party where its favorite president viewed American exceptionalism no greater than any other nation.

Liberalism today that demands equal outcomes vis a vis freedom to pursue one's own destiny

Liberalism today that favors and nourishes big and intrusive government

Liberalism today that demands people's lives be dictated by government regulations and policy.

Liberalism today that believes citizens and non citizens alike are entitled to live off the government.

Liberalism today that supports and encourages acts of non-patriotism (NFL)

Liberalism that applause's acts of treason (Snowden) and desertion (Bergdahl) in the face of enemy.

Liberalism that defends and protects criminal behavior (illegal immigration Sanctuary cities)

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WHITE people can be left free to "regulate their own destiny"...black and brown people cannot. You can look at a list of countries ranked to prove that point...white countries and Asian countries that follow the "western" ways are ALWAYS at the top. The black/brown countries are ALWAYS at the bottom. NEED I say more?

Because back then...ONLY white people were considered...people. The blacks were sub-human and so were the various "brown people" including ALL the American natives. The WHITE people are who the founders are talking about.

And they were RIGHT...white people...America WAS 90% white up until the 1960s...made America the greatest country on earth. #1 in the world at the end of the 1950s.

Liberalism is the WILLFUL changing of the demographics from white to black/brown. Liberalism raises the incompetent...due to genetics...to an artificially high level which is unsustainable.

You CANT bring in monkeys to run your machinery, run your company, run your town or city...or run the country.

The minorities are becoming the majority and we white people won't be able to carry that many. About HALF the minority population receives benefits from the government. About HALF the minority population takes more than they give/produce. The population of the country is now MORE that half minorities and in 30 year they WILL BE 80% of the population and "America" will be no more. It may still be called "America" more likely "Estados Unidos" in the new vernacular.

America falls farther...EVERY day...as America becomes LESS WHITE...EVERY day.

It's causation people that is WHY I want you all to go to MLK Blvd and SEE what the growing minority majority is REALLY like. That IS the 99%...not the propaganda you see on TV and in the movies...that is what they WANT you to believe ALL minorities are like...just like you and me...the REALITY is...the REAL 99% live around MLK Blvd and ACT like those who live along MLK Blvd!

Save your great granddaughters virginity...don't let the minorities become 80% of America. If nothing happens to stop it...it's mathematical certainty...like compound interest their numbers are rising...fast.
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Contrast liberalism today and compare it with liberalism at the time of the founding of this nation and you would discover a juxtaposition in many of today's liberal ideas and beliefs.

Liberalism back then meant a belief in minimal government. Liberals sought only a wise and frugal government and a government that left citizens free to regulate their own destiny. Liberals believed in the magnanimous view of human nature as was reflected in the Declaration of Independence They believed the differences of men rest with the issue of "nurture" vis a vis "nature" and hence a priority was education.

Liberals back then believed in an optimistic and confident future for the New Republic. And they believed that America was the chosen nation and the world's best hope and hence had a special role in fulfilling is future.

Quite a contrast from today's liberal party where its favorite president viewed American exceptionalism no greater than any other nation.

Liberalism today that demands equal outcomes vis a vis freedom to pursue one's own destiny

Liberalism today that favors and nourishes big and intrusive government

Liberalism today that demands people's lives be dictated by government regulations and policy.

Liberalism today that believes citizens and non citizens alike are entitled to live off the government.

Liberalism today that supports and encourages acts of non-patriotism (NFL)

Liberalism that applause's acts of treason (Snowden) and desertion (Bergdahl) in the face of enemy.

Liberalism that defends and protects criminal behavior (illegal immigration Sanctuary cities)

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Those are all way too simplistic.
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:28 PM
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Those are all way too simplistic.
come back?

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WHITE people can be left free to "regulate their own destiny"...black and brown people cannot. You can look at a list of countries ranked to prove that point...white countries and Asian countries that follow the "western" ways are ALWAYS at the top. The black/brown countries are ALWAYS at the bottom. NEED I say more?

Because back then...ONLY white people were considered...people. The blacks were sub-human and so were the various "brown people" including ALL the American natives. The WHITE people are who the founders are talking about.

And they were RIGHT...white people...America WAS 90% white up until the 1960s...made America the greatest country on earth. #1 in the world at the end of the 1950s.

Liberalism is the WILLFUL changing of the demographics from white to black/brown. Liberalism raises the incompetent...due to genetics...to an artificially high level which is unsustainable.

You CANT bring in monkeys to run your machinery, run your company, run your town or city...or run the country.

The minorities are becoming the majority and we white people won't be able to carry that many. About HALF the minority population receives benefits from the government. About HALF the minority population takes more than they give/produce. The population of the country is now MORE that half minorities and in 30 year they WILL BE 80% of the population and "America" will be no more. It may still be called "America" more likely "Estados Unidos" in the new vernacular.

America falls farther...EVERY day...as America becomes LESS WHITE...EVERY day.

It's causation people that is WHY I want you all to go to MLK Blvd and SEE what the growing minority majority is REALLY like. That IS the 99%...not the propaganda you see on TV and in the movies...that is what they WANT you to believe ALL minorities are like...just like you and me...the REALITY is...the REAL 99% live around MLK Blvd and ACT like those who live along MLK Blvd!

Save your great granddaughters virginity...don't let the minorities become 80% of America. If nothing happens to stop it...it's mathematical certainty...like compound interest their numbers are rising...fast.
Poster as I have explained to you before the manner and the measure of emotion and bias permeates your message causing your own words to create your defeat
you do have some valid points but you go to the extreme and that is too far for most logical thinking people.

I ran across an article about DNA etc that spoke to the issues your raise.

In it the author spoke of Neanderthal , etc. and followed homo sapiens family tree. Essentially at his conclusion he said you will find that a black and white person may have more in common as to ancestry then two black or two whites.

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I could have been a liberal back in the 18th century

so who inherited the liberal party and why did they move in such a radical movement?

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Poster as I have explained to you before the manner and the measure of emotion and bias permeates your message causing your own words to create your defeat
you do have some valid points but you go to the extreme and that is too far for most logical thinking people.

I ran across an article about DNA etc that spoke to the issues your raise.

In it the author spoke of Neanderthal , etc. and followed homo sapiens family tree. Essentially at his conclusion he said you will find that a black and white person may have more in common as to ancestry then two black or two whites.

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His conclusion was wrong...it was political to get published. Africans are up to 1/20th DIFFERENT genetically compared to EVERY other "race". A good comparison would be dogs and wolves...similar, can breed, but VERY different...different species different.

Essentially...there are C and S African negros...and then there is EVERYONE else in the world.

The TRUTH does NOT get published. If you're not politically correct...you won't get published. It's as simple as that.
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Contrast liberalism today and compare it with liberalism at the time of the founding of this nation and you would discover a juxtaposition in many of today's liberal ideas and beliefs.
WHY? we don't compare ancient history with recent history so why now? A poor attempt at misdirection from the current maladies which the administration is the focus.

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Liberalism back then meant a belief in minimal government. Liberals sought only a wise and frugal government and a government that left citizens free to regulate their own destiny. Liberals believed in the magnanimous view of human nature as was reflected in the Declaration of Independence They believed the differences of men rest with the issue of "nurture" vis a vis "nature" and hence a priority was education.

Liberals back then believed in an optimistic and confident future for the New Republic. And they believed that America was the chosen nation and the world's best hope and hence had a special role in fulfilling is future.

Quite a contrast from today's liberal party where its favorite president viewed American exceptionalism no greater than any other nation.

You give definitions of "Liberals" that you make up on your own, unless you can provide footnotes (those nasty little things that support your thesis that also need to be verified by credible sources....something you know nothing about.

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Liberalism today that demands equal outcomes vis a vis freedom to pursue one's own destiny
Actual Liberalism: Its opposition to censorship and state economic controls is based on the same principle of freedom. Liberalism, as the name implies, is the fundamental belief in a political ideal where individuals are free to pursue their own goals, in their own ways, provided they do not infringe on the equal liberty of others.



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Liberalism today that favors and nourishes big and intrusive government
At the end of the Reagan Revolution, government was bigger. Since the Contract With America, it has grown exponentially. What some have finally realized is that both parties want the power that comes with bigger and more intrusive government, but the Republican party espouses small unobtrusive government, but has produced just the opposite.

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Liberalism today that demands people's lives be dictated by government regulations and policy.
OK, just where did you get this notion? out of your ass? show some intellectual credence and give some credible footnotes that substantiate your simplistic statement. Oh, by the way, make sure you enjoy your food that has been inspected, the prescription drugs you take that have been regulated, the jet that you travel in because of the FAA, your interstate road system, your police and fire and EMS, your TV and radio shows, the water you drink, and the air you breathe (at least during the Obama administration), your military, just to name a few of the things we take for granted that are "regulated" and that demand that people's lives be controlled by the government.

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Liberalism today that believes citizens and non citizens alike are entitled to live off the government.
Actually, no. only those who qualify.....probably leaves you out, jealous much?

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Liberalism today that supports and encourages acts of non-patriotism (NFL)
Actually, the support of the Constitution is what true Americans want, and the 1st Amendment guarantees that people have the right to protest. That IS patriotic. Diverting that constitutional right is not only NON-PATRIOTIC, but also illegal by those in office who have SWORN to uphold the CONSTITUTION.

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Liberalism that applause's acts of treason (Snowden) and desertion (Bergdahl) in the face of enemy.
Oh, what about WikiLeaks and Trump saying he "loves Wikileaks" and what about the mounting evidence of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia during the presidential campaign? Americans applaud our justice system, and how it decides to punish/acquit those who are charged. Evidently you don't like our justice system.

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Liberalism that defends and protects criminal behavior (illegal immigration Sanctuary cities)
Sure we do, just like Reagan circumvented Congress by arming the Contras with weapons paid for by illegal drug sales.....like Nixon lied about Watergate.....over the past 7 presidencies, GOP administrations still have 29 times more indictments, 64 times more convictions, and 24 times more prison sentences. Comparing presidential administrations by arrests and convictions: A warning for Trump appointees

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More like Personal Lying Regards.....
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Gentlemen,

The differences between you are minute. These minute differences can be reconciled be recognizing that Liberty is a a poetic term for property rights.
Therefore there are only two kind of laws:

Type 1) those that protect property rights,

Type 2) and those that attack property rights.

Can we try to get this straight? If we can, then we won't have to self-divisively self-destructively tear ourselves apart over differences that are, frankly, trivial, in view of the "structure of politics".

Please! can we come together "under the banner" of Liberty? -- a very clearly defined, simple to abide by concept?
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WHY? we don't compare ancient history with recent history so why now? A poor attempt at misdirection from the current maladies which the administration is the focus.




You give definitions of "Liberals" that you make up on your own, unless you can provide footnotes (those nasty little things that support your thesis that also need to be verified by credible sources....something you know nothing about.



Actual Liberalism: Its opposition to censorship and state economic controls is based on the same principle of freedom. Liberalism, as the name implies, is the fundamental belief in a political ideal where individuals are free to pursue their own goals, in their own ways, provided they do not infringe on the equal liberty of others.





At the end of the Reagan Revolution, government was bigger. Since the Contract With America, it has grown exponentially. What some have finally realized is that both parties want the power that comes with bigger and more intrusive government, but the Republican party espouses small unobtrusive government, but has produced just the opposite.


OK, just where did you get this notion? out of your ass? show some intellectual credence and give some credible footnotes that substantiate your simplistic statement. Oh, by the way, make sure you enjoy your food that has been inspected, the prescription drugs you take that have been regulated, the jet that you travel in because of the FAA, your interstate road system, your police and fire and EMS, your TV and radio shows, the water you drink, and the air you breathe (at least during the Obama administration), your military, just to name a few of the things we take for granted that are "regulated" and that demand that people's lives be controlled by the government.



Actually, no. only those who qualify.....probably leaves you out, jealous much?


Actually, the support of the Constitution is what true Americans want, and the 1st Amendment guarantees that people have the right to protest. That IS patriotic. Diverting that constitutional right is not only NON-PATRIOTIC, but also illegal by those in office who have SWORN to uphold the CONSTITUTION.


Oh, what about WikiLeaks and Trump saying he "loves Wikileaks" and what about the mounting evidence of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia during the presidential campaign? Americans applaud our justice system, and how it decides to punish/acquit those who are charged. Evidently you don't like our justice system.



Sure we do, just like Reagan circumvented Congress by arming the Contras with weapons paid for by illegal drug sales.....like Nixon lied about Watergate.....over the past 7 presidencies, GOP administrations still have 29 times more indictments, 64 times more convictions, and 24 times more prison sentences. Comparing presidential administrations by arrests and convictions: A warning for Trump appointees



More like Personal Lying Regards.....
Look mate, I am not going to do your homework for you. In the past I did with due diligence and dispatch provide detailed citations only to have liberal posters denounce such citations. I will give you a hint read the life story of Thomas Jefferson and those who supported him.

you deny my definition but then respond with defining the definition I presented. this appears to be circular thinking.

But what is lost on you is the entire point of my original thread. the point was to establish that today's liberal party has been hijacked by radical socialist ,minorities and anarchist who view their heroes and mentors to be people like Colin Kaepernick and whose main source of news is CNN Clinton News Network, a news agency that would know the truth if they tripped over it.

Wise up my friend because the party you back want to exterminate everything that America once represented.

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