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Guest 09-24-2011 09:25 AM

US Bureau of Labor STATS reports unemployment rates for August are 10.7% in Florida and 9.1% in the country. Not so sure that all unemployed people out there satisfied to do nothing and collect the unemployment check, or no money at all if their time has run out. Necessity is often a life changer.

Guest 09-24-2011 09:47 AM

And if it were true there would not be enough of a particular class of people who would not work in the hot sun/etc....is that supposed to be reason or rationale why illegals should be allowed? I don't think so.

How about the majority of the immigrants who come into this country legally? Are they the ones who won't take a job in the hot sun (I am being a little sarcastic).

There is absolutely no justification for the illegal immigration to persist or be allowed to continue. Any country on the planet has rules by which one enters the country. No where are there exceptions, that if you can work in the hot sun or take a job no body else wants just jump the fence and all is forgiven....in addition be sure to get the list of benefits you are now entitled to. And you all in line waiting to come in legally....no talking or chewing gum in line or you will be taken to task.

Sarcasm and levity aside, illegal immigration and the billions being thrown at them is just another beyond comprehension inconsistency of political BS.

btk

Guest 09-24-2011 10:49 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 398142)
US Bureau of Labor STATS reports unemployment rates for August are 10.7% in Florida and 9.1% in the country. Not so sure that all unemployed people out there satisfied to do nothing and collect the unemployment check, or no money at all if their time has run out. Necessity is often a life changer.

:agree: It sure is. I remember many Ironworkers from my union who moved to Alaska in the 70's to work on the pipeline. I also knew a few guys who moved to Australia during that same period. If word got out that good paying jobs were indeed here, they would be filled without missing a heartbeat.

Guest 09-24-2011 12:09 PM

Necessity certainly is a life changer. As Village Golfer said, he knows former co-workers who moved to Alaska or Australia for good paying jobs. My father-in-law would travel around Iowa (where he lived with his family) to get brick laying jobs and be away from home a few weeks at a time. People will travel to get jobs and will live in less than desirable situations when they need to do so to work.

However, when a huge project like The Villages continues to build, you have to have the workers. There would NOT be the number of "hammer swingers" who would work. There would be SOME but not enough to complete the work in a time manner that is currently being done. Your home values would go down.

We need these workers. I say that with no doubts whatsoever. They are NOT taking jobs from citizens.

Guest 09-24-2011 02:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 398206)
Necessity certainly is a life changer. As Village Golfer said, he knows former co-workers who moved to Alaska or Australia for good paying jobs. My father-in-law would travel around Iowa (where he lived with his family) to get brick laying jobs and be away from home a few weeks at a time. People will travel to get jobs and will live in less than desirable situations when they need to do so to work.

However, when a huge project like The Villages continues to build, you have to have the workers. There would NOT be the number of "hammer swingers" who would work. There would be SOME but not enough to complete the work in a time manner that is currently being done. Your home values would go down.

We need these workers. I say that with no doubts whatsoever. They are NOT taking jobs from citizens.

Every time an illegal is hired, he/she is taking a job away from real American citizens. It really is that simple.

Guest 09-24-2011 04:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 398206)
Necessity certainly is a life changer. As Village Golfer said, he knows former co-workers who moved to Alaska or Australia for good paying jobs. My father-in-law would travel around Iowa (where he lived with his family) to get brick laying jobs and be away from home a few weeks at a time. People will travel to get jobs and will live in less than desirable situations when they need to do so to work.

However, when a huge project like The Villages continues to build, you have to have the workers. There would NOT be the number of "hammer swingers" who would work. There would be SOME but not enough to complete the work in a time manner that is currently being done. Your home values would go down.

We need these workers. I say that with no doubts whatsoever. They are NOT taking jobs from citizens.

WoW...How do you know this stuff? Crystal ball?

Guest 09-24-2011 04:40 PM

proud dem (moonbat)
 
buggy one...I don't get it..Are there rules somewhere that say that's illegal,except for?????

The only ones gaining from the illegals are the wealthy corporations (read builders in this case) that can have subs under bid, and they pocket additional profits, at American Worker's expense..Some of these same workers your tax dollar is paying for through unemployment compensation..I'll also mention that the illegals are "off the books",so our give away society will of course give them rent subsidies,free medical/dental for their entire family,and food,oh and even a cell phone...Not a bad deal,no wonder they choose to remain"illegal".

Guest 09-24-2011 07:53 PM

If so many feel that illegal workers should be rounded up and deported, why hasn't one of you "dropped a dime" to ICE and demanded this happen in The Villages? Is it the same to walk the walk or just talk the talk?

Guest 09-24-2011 09:47 PM

proud dem (moonbat)
 
The original post was regarding the hypocrisy of the new immigration law and how the intent really isn't there by these policy makers in the fl legislature and the governor's office..It's all about show..They have no intentions of deporting or even enforcing existing laws..I have dropped a dime...To no avail...

Guest 09-24-2011 10:29 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 398323)
If so many feel that illegal workers should be rounded up and deported, why hasn't one of you "dropped a dime" to ICE and demanded this happen in The Villages? Is it the same to walk the walk or just talk the talk?

Really, you think ratting people out is the answer?

Guest 09-24-2011 10:46 PM

proud dem (moonbat)
 
vg....Oh let's see...No the answer is to bury my head in the sand and do nothing about the current job situation is the answer..I'll jjust line my pockets with the ill gotten gains and bitch about taxes and Just say no and Obama out no matter what damage it does to this country is the answer..Oh that's you my tea party extremist friend...If you think letting an elected official know via an e-mail complaint that current immigration laws are not being enforced is "ratting them out" that's tough sh=t pal...Poor little illegal immigrants...If they go who is going to cut vg's grass.....

Guest 09-24-2011 11:26 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 398396)
vg....Oh let's see...No the answer is to bury my head in the sand and do nothing about the current job situation is the answer..I'll jjust line my pockets with the ill gotten gains and bitch about taxes and Just say no and Obama out no matter what damage it does to this country is the answer..Oh that's you my tea party extremist friend...If you think letting an elected official know via an e-mail complaint that current immigration laws are not being enforced is "ratting them out" that's tough sh=t pal...Poor little illegal immigrants...If they go who is going to cut vg's grass.....

Why do you always have to get personal? Cannot you just state your opinion and get over it?

PS. You seem to have alot of anger in your posts. Please reread before you hit the post button. You will last longer here. Just saying, I really would not want you to leave us.

Guest 09-25-2011 06:59 AM

It IS an interesting question.. If you got rid of the illegal aliens*, would wages go down or would costs go up? WOuld the Americans take lower wages or would the builders be forced to raise them?

* Calling illegal aliens "undocumented workers" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists".

Guest 09-25-2011 07:06 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 398439)
It IS an interesting question.. If you got rid of the illegal aliens*, would wages go down or would costs go up? WOuld the Americans take lower wages or would the builders be forced to raise them?

* Calling illegal aliens "undocumented workers" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists".

I would say that the laws of supply and demand would push the hourly wages up. It would still be structured where you would have the low man on the totem pole (unskilled and leaning) and your highly skilled.

Guest 09-25-2011 07:37 AM

proud dem (moonbat)
 
I only respond personally when it is in rebuttal from a personal attack..Stop whining it is so unbecoming....

Guest 09-25-2011 08:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 398439)
it is an interesting question.. If you got rid of the illegal aliens*, would wages go down or would costs go up? Would the americans take lower wages or would the builders be forced to raise them?

* calling illegal aliens "undocumented workers" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists".

perfect analogy!

Guest 09-25-2011 08:54 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 398439)
It IS an interesting question.. If you got rid of the illegal aliens*, would wages go down or would costs go up? WOuld the Americans take lower wages or would the builders be forced to raise them?

* Calling illegal aliens "undocumented workers" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists".

The economic model would provide a combination of solutions to this problem. Short of a nuclear blast that levels the world, human will find solutions to their problems. Market forces in this instance would provide innovations. Supply and demand would eventually work out the labor wage issue.

It is just inconceivable and cost prohbitive to allow illegal immigration to continue.

On the other hand there are many people entering the U.S. legally and bring with them skill sets desperately need to retain our status as a leader in innovations, etc. and who pay their fair share of taxes, etc.

P.S. Because of the economic downturn border security and others have indicated the number of those crossing the border has been reduced dramatically

Guest 09-25-2011 08:57 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 398477)
The economic model would provide a combination of solutions to this problem. Short of a nuclear blast that levels the world, human will find solutions to their problems. Market forces in this instance would provide innovations. Supply and demand would eventually work out the labor wage issue.

It is just inconceivable and cost prohbitive to allow illegal immigration to continue.

On the other hand there are many people entering the U.S. legally and bring with them skill sets desperately need to retain our status as a leader in innovations, etc. and who pay their fair share of taxes, etc.

P.S. Because of the economic downturn border security and others have indicated the number of those crossing the border has been reduced dramatically

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Guest 09-25-2011 09:01 AM

Having lived down on the southern border for over a decade, smuggling humans and drugs has not dropped. They have just changing the routes and fighting over the best ones. Actually nothing has changed, just the level of violence has gone up to protect the best routes.

Would a bank robber just be called an unauthorized withdrawal patron?


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