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:agree: on the Clinton Bush flip flop... WE NEED A CHANGING NOT ONLY OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH BUT ALSO THE GOOD OLD BOYS. I THINK WE WOULD BE MUCH BETTER SERVED IF THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS COULS ONLY RUN FOR ONE 6 YEAR TERM.. NOT MORE GOOD OLE BOY PORK BARREL, SPEN HALF YOUR TIME CAMPAIGNING FOR THE NEXT TERM!!!!!!!!!!!

BY THE WAY GOOD ARTICLE IN USA TODAY.... http://www.usatoday.com/news/militar...ressmrap_N.htm Democrats do care about defense

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I cannot remain calm over this discussion. We have a criminal mind for a president now who has raped the American public and those of you who dare to mock Hillary.

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I would like to know the 8 best things that the Clintons have done for this country.

Now I would like to know the best 7 things that the current Bush administration has done for this country.

The Clintons ran this country for 8 years and the current Bush administration has ran it for 7 years. I'm only asking for 1 thing for each year they were in office.

If you can't give me one good thing for each year that your people ran this country then don't knock the other person. I don't think either one has done a good job! Tell me how I'm wrong.

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ladykathleen, your comment is senseless and ridiculous.

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What disappoints me so much these days is the lack of statesmen in congress. In the past, policitics was also down and dirty but there was respect for opponents. Today's political climate is filled with hate and that is because there are so few people who are willing to stick to their principles.

Over the last several years. I have concluded that the only statesman, at least in the public eye, is Joe Lieberman. He would get my vote because I know he is honest, forthright and wouldn't violate my trust.

Oh, and I am a lifelong Republican.

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Do you want a nice guy or do you want a president !!!!!
Only one man so far has come up with a plan that this country desperatly needs , He also just happens to be the smartest man in politics today ...

and that man is NEWT GRINGRICH...

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Newt was the only one that gave a hoot where this country was going and would make a decision based on what's best for the country. It was very disappointing that he decided not to run, although the media would have killed him. Any body notice that the media is focused on republican candidates personal lives but doesn't touch the dems unless it's something good?

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Wow - so much for "honest, unemotional....."

After reading many of the posts, it seems like people are looking for a 4-year monarch and not the chief of the Executive Branch of our government. There seems to be a lot of condemning of presidents (present and past) without looking to the fact that the Legislative and Judical branches have (in many ways) much greater impact.

My civics book taught me that:
A. the Legislature makes the laws and then allocates how much in the way of resources the Executive Branch gets to administer and enforce the laws.
B. The Judical Branch provides interpretations of the laws when there are disputes on what was meant in the language of a statute or regulation.
C. The Executive Branch administers and enforces the law, utilizing the resources given to it by the electorate through the Legislative Branch.

As simple as all of that sounds, it really is the way it works - whether at the federal or state level.

So, are you looking for a monarch with a touch of charisma whose followers, like a royal court, become the ersatz dukes and duchesses running bureaucratic fiefdoms - or -
are you looking for someone who can handle the reins of a 3+ million employee establishment involving many diverse types of operations, and with the good sense to appoint a staff of professionals with REAL SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE to oversee these operations, instead of just repaying campaign service and contributions by dispensing titles and assigning governmental turf for exploitation? AND as a stockholder in this government-business, what sort of dividend or service do you expect to get from this chief executive?

I'm not convinced there is ANYONE in today's race - regardless of political party affiliation - who has such skills. What I've seen so far reminds me of old western movies where a huckster stands beside a painted wagon, BS'ing about how good his/her brand of snake oil is. The curricullum vitae I've read on these candidates are thin at best, and I haven't seen where any of them has the managerial experience of running/leading anything beyond a 20-person staff (and how well did they do that?).

The bottom line is - What qualifications do you expect a president to have? What do you think the job really is? AND if you had to personally sign the paycheck for this person and pay them from your own bank account (business or personal), what would you want for your money?

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I am planning to buy in TV and was afraid that I would find a nest of Liberals for whom I have no respect at all. From the comments on this forum I can see that there are only a couple, maybe three, misguided liberals. My opinion is that no one should serve more than 2 terms, no matter how good is he/she. Re-election is the root of all the evils in Washington DC.

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Hey Kahunna..I thought I was alone regarding wanting Michael Bloomberg...He doesnt need anybody..no one can buy him or any political favors..no lobbyist...he would be a TRUE representative for the people..He is his own person. Feels good to know someone out there shares my view...... :agree:

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Before you vote for Hillary, think about where our life savings will go....Income redistribution...that should be enough to make everyone think long and hard

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There's more than three...

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Bulberry, you are so right. It was Ronald Regan who straightened out our economy and Clinton took all the credit. And he left the country & office in a mess for the next in line to clean it up. Clinton was the one that gave our sovernty away. That is why we are loosing all our jobs to other countries. Thank the Clintons............

And... The only person he took out was Monica in her blue dress. It was months of a soap opera. How shameful.

Who would be good for this county? Arnold Swartzenagger. However, we would have to change our constitution...............he can't run..........but I bet he would be great.
Look at what he has done for California. All his work in California is gratus. Wow!

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I agree with you all, but you can not have an unemotional discussion about her. She is repulsive.

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I'm sorry, but I feel each of our candidates running for Presdient deserves our respect. Can't we discuss issues and not run our candidates down.

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Avista: Respect is something you have to win. We live with the consecuences of our actions. That said, i will not comment again on politics.

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I agree that the FEDS should at least partially underwrite STEM CELL RESEARCH//////
BUT HEY... the Chinese are well underway AND if they hit it .............our trade defecit
will SKYROCKET....(when our $$$ goes to China with our massive purchases of their
product) then we can de-value the U.S. currency even more to attempt to stay afloat
and sell our old fashioned products to the world.....WE HAVE BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS be involved in a world economy....It did not stop after the silk road led only to the UK.
WAKE UP AMERICA--------

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You might want to ask Californians, especially those in Northern California what they think of Arnie baby and his cronies! He and they are doing an excellent job of selling off or, worse yet, giving away NoCal's natural resources to not only SoCal but also Nevada and Arizona. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of why you won't find a lot of love for Arnie in many parts of California.

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GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT THERE WAS A GOOD REASON WHY CLINTON COULD'T
TAKE OUT BIN LADEN WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE AND WHAT ACTION DID BUSH TAKE TO KEEP US SECURE THE WAR IN IRAQ AS PER ALAN GREENSPAN(EVER HEARD OF HIM)
THE WAR IN IRAQ IS ABOUT OIL AND NOTHING ELSE

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Details? Details? Water?

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Item 1. Was there a GOOD reason why Bin Laden COULDN'T be taken out? I'd like to know that GOOD reason.

Item 2. The war in Iraq is not just about oil. It's about oil AND regional instability AND maybe....juuust maybe....som other stuff as well. Just take a look at the Manhatten skyline.....remember now? Terrorists are born somewhere....they are raised somewhere.....they are trained somewhere....they speak a common language....and practice a common religion. What region of the world could be a potential home? Afghanastan was first.....the U.S. had a GOOD reason to INVADE the country (see item one). Iraq was number two....the U.S. really didn't have a good reason to invade....so.....a reason was contrived....the country had a nut case for a leader who was thinking or developing BIG weapons and sitting on one of the largest world oil supplies (hmmm....lemme think about this in the context of our national AND world security). Who's number three? I don't know, but I suspect there's going to be a number three? Iran, Syria.....Saudi Arabia (don't delude yourself into believing that they're our allies). This is going to be a long long war.....and it's not limited to Iraq. All we at home can do is to hunker down and support the effort WHEREVER it is. This support is not to be confused with BLIND jingoism....which, I think, is not a good thing.

It may serve us well to remember Edmund Burke's quote, "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing". Think about this quote vis-a-vis this coming presidential election. Who, among the candidates, has the will and fortitude to continue to do something and continue the fight.....and who will float upon and make decisions based upon the drift of the political winds. When in the process of choosing our next President, thinking this way may help winnow the field of candidates a bit. It works for me.

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I watch the History Channel frequently.....it happens to be my favorite. I must have missed something. But, there must be other sources as well. I'm curious as to why a sitting President didn't eliminate or suppress an identified serious national threat when the opportunity was at hand. A political decision perhaps?

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bsliny, why keep it a secret?? Please tell us.

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AS PER THE HISTORY CHANNEL PGM WE WERE ABOUT TO SEND A MISSLE INTO BIN LADENS LOCATION WHEN IT WAS NOTICED THAT A PLANE FROM SAUDIA ARABIA WAS TO CLOSE TO THE LOCATION AND IT WAS FEARED THAT MEMBERS OF THE ROYAL FAMILY MIGHT BE ON BOARD AND IF THEY WERE TAKEN OUT ALONG WITH BIN LADEN IT WOULD BE A REAL POLITICAL MESS LIKE I SAID IT WAS ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL AND FROM WHAT IV'E HEARD OR WHAT THEY TELL US WE NEVER GOT A SECOND CHANCE AT HIM
WHY I DON'T KNOW

PS I'M NOT VOTING FOR HILLARY

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Cruise missles are programmed for a very specific target on every launch. No way would it have hit the royal family's plane. No way. The missle is low flying to avoid radars and hugs the terrain enroute. The Saudi's plane had an altitude of what.....20K or 30K feet? Either you misunderstood or the History Channel is spouting BS. It shouldn' take a WAG to figure this one out. And by the way, why was the Saudi's plane in the area anyway? Weird. This doesn't pass my reality check.

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The Talk Host doesn't usually stir the pot on a posted topic....the forum does. There are other topics in the forum which may be more suited to your sensibilities. Those topics are but a mouse click away. There is no need to read that which you do not want to.

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Bay Ridge. Well, a 100 feet away you say? Bin Laden and the Saudi royal family were that close? I was thinking in terms of miles. Geez, ya think the royal family could have been radioed or something? Why was Bin Laden in the area? Beats me.......why is Bin Laden anywhere? Eventually, he'll be in a lot of places......at the same time....if you get my drift.

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uhhhhh....there wasn't any chads or supreme court last time.....that was two times ago....

Nice first post...welcome to the board.

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Billy rode the coattails of the recovery that Papa Bush started 2 years before Billy got into office. Billy just had enough sense to leave things alone and copy Papa Bush's reforms and tax policies.

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If Hillary turns out to be the Democratic nominee I'll vote for her. I'd much rather see Edwards or Obama but the most critical thing is to rescue our country from the ignorance, arrogance and incompetence and corruption of the Republican party.

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That's what was done 8 years ago when we finally got Willie and Hilary Rotten out of the White House. Now we need to do it again. Makes you wonder how we continue to always elect idiots. And we will do it again. But the reason we end up with such poor leaders in this country is that good people refuse to run for public office because the media and the people who read and support the media focus on such insignificant nonsense. No one wants their history and the dumb things we have all done at one time or another spread out in front of the world. And you really have to question weather we are bright enough to elect good leaders.

EXAMPLES: Congress has an overall approval rating by the public of just 11%. That means that 89% of those polled (51,320) think that congress is really bad. Ask yourself how you would rate them. And yet the same idiots keep getting elected. Why????? It's because everyone thinks the elected person that represents them is doing a great job. It's those elected by the other dumb people in the other 49 states that is doing so badly. Why just look at all the great benefits and money that our congressman has brought back to "my" state. And look at all the "pork barrel" dumb $$$ that those other idiots are spending. Take social security. They will never fix it as long as they don't have to use it. They are not the dumb one's, we are. They put a different plan in place for themselves.

Until we all agree that congress represents none of us and keep thowing them out every 2 years until they get the message, we will get exactly what we deserve. Elected officials who are there for themselves, not for the people who vote for them.

Now I am sure this will get everone up in arms. ::)

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Take a look at Winston Churchill's various political stands. This man stood for himself and often had views different from the party in power at the time.

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If you want to get calibrated just review what Pelosi said she would do if she got the position....and since she has had it....zippo...zingo,,,and oh by the way with how many years experience.

If you put back in office those that are a part of the currently ineffective operating government, why does anybody believe for one single minute they will or can make changes.

When fixing corporate problems most fortune 500 companies do not reach into the existing organization....all they know is the way it works...good or bad.

Hillary and McCain are part of the establishment. Too many yaoweme's hanging out there.

We should all be looking for the candidate most likely having the ability to bring about what needs to be done. Politicians by their very nature and methodology are incapable of doing the right thing....where do you think the term politically correct came from.

Look for the person who is unafraid to do and say what is right and good for this country without worrying whose feathers the may rumple.

PC = licence to do what is not right!!!!

My $395 (two cents adjusted for political adjusted inflation).

BTK

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If she shares more of the same views on key issues that I have as we approach election day, then I will vote for her. I am looking for someone to deal with the real issues: global warming, working with the rest of the world, terrorism, national debt, healthcare and economy. I do not want to see us bogged down with the theory of evolution vs. the Bible, stopping stem cell research, and overturning Roe v. Wade.

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Speedy, I sort of agree with you. BUT as far as being bogged down with evolution, I think if a President does not believe in this, it degrades science which is so important for our students to learn. I am also a supporter of Stem Cell Research which also includes science. The Bully Pulpit is important.

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Amusing comparison Hancle704.

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l2ride above is talking about my favorite group....THE SILENT MAJORITY.
To add to the points made...elected officials are the ....REPRESENTATIVES....R-E-P-R-E-S-E-N-T-A-T-I-V-E-S........
and when they don't hear from anybody they do what they please....or I should say they do what they please because they know they aren't going to hear from anybody.

The majority does rule.....when it acts.....unfortunately that does,'t happen enough.
The SILENT MAJORITY gets what it deserves.....not much!!!

Hmmmmnnnn....I winder why big corporations and special interest groups get things done...well they have lobbyists and just step one inch over the line they have drawn in what ever sand box they are in and out they come like a swarm of bees....they get attention....they get results...because the REPRESENTATIVES know they will be upon them. They are all minoirity groups compared to the masses of of US Citizens.

Oh if we could only find the motivational magic to get 'em to stand up and be counted!!!!!!!!!


BTK