I don't know if liberals are sick, but I think they lack morals. How else can one explain their 100% acceptance and support of their political leaders no matter if they have been convicted of a felony, caught in a police sting, accused of rape, caught lying under oath, involved in underage sex scandals. How else can you explain their hypocrisy regarding "paying your fair share of taxes", then using very tax loophole, and then some, to pay minimum taxes (Warren Buffet comes to mind), or not paying any taxes at all (the Reverend). Not to mention how over-the-top angry they get during any political discussion.

"...They favor programs such as head start, tuition grants, and job training…"


Head Start is a HUGE waste of money. Google all of the studies supporting this. UCLA economics department did one of the latest.

As far as tuition grants…why should I and all of my neighbors pay for YOUR child to attend school? How about YOU get a job and pay for YOUR child or your child gets a job and takes out school loans like the rest of us.

Job training - I assume you mean FREE job training? Nope. Again, how about the student or the parent get a job and pay for training like the rest of us did! Why is it my responsibility (as a taxpayer) to train YOUR child for a job?

This is exactly my point with libs. They come up with all these programs, handouts, grants, gifts and confiscate the wealth of common hard-working citizens to pay for it. How about YOU pay for YOUR choices in life and quit forcing me and my neighbors to.

This bs will ever end as long as we have two parties system, lobbyist, and electoral votes. As far as liberals IMO and "I can have opinion" John Wayne summed them up best 60 years ago.

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I don't know if liberals are sick, but I think they lack morals. How else can one explain their 100% acceptance and support of their political leaders no matter if they have been convicted of a felony, caught in a police sting, accused of rape, caught lying under oath, involved in underage sex scandals. How else can you explain their hypocrisy regarding "paying your fair share of taxes", then using very tax loophole, and then some, to pay minimum taxes (Warren Buffet comes to mind), or not paying any taxes at all (the Reverend). Not to mention how over-the-top angry they get during any political discussion.

There does often seem to be an element of some type of liberal "rage" for lack of a better term. Have always wondered where it stems from

It is sad how we hate each other. Is there nothing we can agree on.

I support SS & Medicare so I am a socialist.

I support work for money and apose welfare so I am conservative.

I feel we need some issues to be made law at the Federal level so I am a communist.

Please tell me what group I should join when the shooting starts.

I think the above posts are sort of just hateful. I feel that we all started out pretty liberal in our political views and as we worked and learned and experienced life and became more successful, became a little more realistic about what our young and wonderful ideas could and should accomplish.

I think liberalism is appropriate and expected and very lovely in young and caring people. But if we stay in that mindset, we cannot get things done, deal with real issues, really help people and continue to take care of ourselves and others.

We all need to have a caring attitude, with a realistic plan...and work hard so that we can be financially secure so that people can look down on us.

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I think the above posts are sort of just hateful. I feel that we all started out pretty liberal in our political views and as we worked and learned and experienced life and became more successful, became a little more realistic about what our young and wonderful ideas could and should accomplish.

I think liberalism is appropriate and expected and very lovely in young and caring people. But if we stay in that mindset, we cannot get things done, deal with real issues, really help people and continue to take care of ourselves and others.

We all need to have a caring attitude, with a realistic plan...and work hard so that we can be financially secure so that people can look down on us.

Extremely arrogant and naive viewpoint. In other words we become more cynical and selfish as we age - actually some of us don't, and we actually deal with real issues and really help people.

If you're under 30 and you're a republican, you have no heart. If you're over 30 and you're a democrat, you have no brain.

And worst of all, virtually all liberals believe in the catastrophic man made global warming fraud.

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And worst of all, virtually all liberals believe in the catastrophic man made global warming fraud.

I believe in it, and I am a Republican, but I cannot see how laws and rules can change it much. People aren't going to stop driving, no matter how many emissions controls are used. People aren't really going to reuse and save the way we used to.

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I believe in it, and I am a Republican, but I cannot see how laws and rules can change it much. People aren't going to stop driving, no matter how many emissions controls are used. People aren't really going to reuse and save the way we used to.

Climate change is real. Catastrophic man made climate change is a fraud. CO2 is not a pollutant just because it has the word "carbon" in it.

Dear Posters: If you care to notice the hateful rant by the OP whether real or not set the cadence for this thread and it isn't pretty. Why would any intelligent thinking person try to respond to that nonsense. I feel compelled to apology to my liberal breathren

I am a Republican conservative, my mother and father were liberal Democrats as were most of my family and friends. We hotly debated economic social and foreign issues but we did so with the understanding that we support our position with facts and not feelings. We remain family and friends when the debate was over

For the fourth time this forum was opened on a trial basis and if posters want it to remain so they need to explain to posters like the OP that they need to take care to address issues with fairness and respect.

I do not agree with OP. I see an important role for liberals and conservative alike and a little of each is a good thing. Its when either side gets too righteous that they fail. In other words it is a good thing to envision a better world but it takes pragmatic thinking to get there.

I did not enjoy and felt very uncomfortable about what was said on many of these posts and certainly they added nothing of a positive nature to the discussion

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Posters: If you care to notice the hateful rant by the OP whether real or not set the cadence for this thread and it isn't pretty. Why would any intelligent thinking person try to respond to that nonsense. I feel compelled to apology to my liberal breathren

I am a Republican conservative, my mother and father were liberal Democrats as were most of my family and friends. We hotly debated economic social and foreign issues but we did so with the understanding that we support our position with facts and not feelings. We remain family and friends when the debate was over

For the fourth time this forum was opened on a trial basis and if posters want it to remain so they need to explain to posters like the OP that they need to take care to address issues with fairness and respect.

I do not agree with OP. I see an important role for liberals and conservative alike and a little of each is a good thing. Its when either side gets too righteous that they fail. In other words it is a good thing to envision a better world but it takes pragmatic thinking to get there.

I did not enjoy and felt very uncomfortable about what was said on many of these posts and certainly they added nothing of a positive nature to the discussion

I think you may have said before that you were a Republican Conservative...and I said I was...........................?

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Posters: If you care to notice the hateful rant by the OP whether real or not set the cadence for this thread and it isn't pretty. Why would any intelligent thinking person try to respond to that nonsense. I feel compelled to apology to my liberal breathren

I am a Republican conservative, my mother and father were liberal Democrats as were most of my family and friends. We hotly debated economic social and foreign issues but we did so with the understanding that we support our position with facts and not feelings. We remain family and friends when the debate was over

For the fourth time this forum was opened on a trial basis and if posters want it to remain so they need to explain to posters like the OP that they need to take care to address issues with fairness and respect.

I do not agree with OP. I see an important role for liberals and conservative alike and a little of each is a good thing. Its when either side gets too righteous that they fail. In other words it is a good thing to envision a better world but it takes pragmatic thinking to get there.

I did not enjoy and felt very uncomfortable about what was said on many of these posts and certainly they added nothing of a positive nature to the discussion

Well said and thank you.

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Dear Posters: If you care to notice the hateful rant by the OP whether real or not set the cadence for this thread and it isn't pretty.

Where's the hate? Why don't you quote the exact hateful statement you disagree with? You can't, because there's no hate, just someone's OPINION that differs from yours.

Liberals do want to be taken care of; that's why they pass all sorts of cradle to grave socialist entitlement programs. Notice how most European countries are struggling under the massive weight of all their programs.

Liberals fear risking their capital; that's why they prefer pensions to self-guided retirement programs, and want expanded social security, etc… Tax and spend - except it's confiscate from others and spend largely on themselves in the form of more entitlements.

Liberals envy the successful; that's why Wall St. is the go-to boogie man as well as big corporations and the 1% earners. Success is demonized and portrayed as "unfair". Life is zero-sum in their minds; if someone is successful (ex. Bill Gates) then the liberal mantra is that he "got ahead" by taking from others, or disproportionately receiving too large a share of the nation's bounty. There's NEVER a mention that he legitimately and legally EARNED his wealth! (cue the big idiot and his socialist line, "You didn't build your business!…GOVERNMENT built your business!!"