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Guest 12-05-2015 06:18 AM

Darn liberals. Slavery, women voting, are they ever going to stop? We already have enough great men that can lead us without change, except for all that stupid stuff these liberals have done. Once these guys get elected by registered voters, they will make America great again.

Guest 12-05-2015 07:56 AM

More like regressive socialists. They are the party of slavery and now they want to enslave again. They publicly disavow racism, all while using divisive language. They scream hatred of the rich, while they get rich off exploiting the poor. And they insist that conservatives aren't charitable, when facts show that conservatives are the highest contributors to charity.

Guest 12-05-2015 03:33 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1154614)
A fine example of male privilege....

But the times they are a changing.


No it's the strong over the weak. It's with way it has been and always will be.

I agree times are changing. The weak will be slathered due to the indoctrination and there will be nobody to do the hard work. You know like in war.

Guest 12-05-2015 03:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1154027)
Quite possibly the dumbest post ever - and for this site that is saying something

I agree. The hatred towards someone for the sole reason that they belong to an opposing political party, is really mind boggling.

Guest 12-05-2015 03:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1154693)
More like regressive socialists. They are the party of slavery and now they want to enslave again. They publicly disavow racism, all while using divisive language. They scream hatred of the rich, while they get rich off exploiting the poor. And they insist that conservatives aren't charitable, when facts show that conservatives are the highest contributors to charity.

Another really dumb post. You people need done new material. Boring....

Guest 12-05-2015 08:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1154667)
A few FEMALE murderers: (from wikipedia)

Nicole Abusharif
Rosie Alfaro
Wanda Jean Allen
Wendi Andriano
Jodi Arias
China P. Arnold
Marie Dean Arrington
Susan Atkins
Lena Baker
Gertrude Baniszewski
Maria Barbella
Suzanne Basso
Celeste Beard
Betty Lou Beets
Laurie Bembenek
Ann Bilansky
Lynda Lyon Block
Cordelia Botkin
Kathy Boudin
Betty Broderick
Lavinia Burnett
Attina Marie Cannaday
Linda Carty
Stacey Castor
Virginia Christian
Brenda Clubine
Jill Coit
Tiffany Cole
Paula Cooper
Natasha Cornett
Mary Frances Creighton
Alice Crimmins
Kerry Lyn Dalton
Laurie Dann
Marybeth Davis
Regina and Margaret DeFrancisco
Marissa DeVault
Kathleen Dorsett
Raynella Dossett Leath
Diane Downs
Laura Ann Doyle
Roxana Druse
Eva Dugan
Kristina Fetters
Mary Jane Fonder
Priscilla Ford
Antoinette Frank
Caril Ann Fugate
Margaret Garner
Kelly Gissendaner
Barbara Graham
Debora Green
Malaika Griffin
Amy Grossberg
I. Kathleen Hagen
Emily Harris
Jean Harris
Elizabeth Haysom
Toni Jo Henry
Audrey Marie Hilley
Brittany Holberg
Waneta Hoyt
Carla Hughes
Banita Jacks
Eleanor Jarman
Angela Johnson
Martha Ann Johnson
Genene Jones
Winnie Ruth Judd
Lois Jurgens
Marcia Kelly
Penelope Kenny
Sante Kimes
Lizzie Lloyd King
Sharon Kinne
Hannah Hanson Kinney
Theresa Knorr
Michelle Knotek
Sarah Kolb
Patricia Krenwinkel
Sara Kruzan
Sheila LaBarre
Deanna Laney
Stacey Lannert
Stephanie Lazarus
Teresa Lewis
Nellie May Madison
Crystal Mangum
Florence Maybrick
Karen McCarron
Kimberly McCarthy
Ruby McCollum
Melanie McGuire
Emeline Meaker
Sharee Miller
Alice Mitchell
Lisa M. Montgomery
Blanche Taylor Moore
Omaima Nelson
Frances Newton
Stella Nickell
Hannah Ocuish
Barbara Opel
Marjorie Ann Orbin
Christine Paolilla
Elaine Parent
Louise Peete
Sarah Jo Pender
Christa Pike
Martha M. Place
Susan Polk
Tina Resch
Christina Marie Riggs
Donna Roberts
Angelina Rodriguez
Chipita Rodriguez
Kristin Rossum
Darlie Routier
Robin Lee Row
Margaret Rudin
Yolanda Saldívar
Jennifer San Marco
Julie Schenecker
Irene Schroeder
Courtney Schulhoff
Larissa Schuster
Nancy Seaman
Sylvia Seegrist
Karen Severson
Assata Shakur
Dorothy Sherwood
Erika Sifrit
Frankie Stewart Silver
Sarah Simpson
Pamela Smart
Susan Smith
Ruth Snyder
Lyda Southard
Brenda Spencer
Bathsheba Spooner
Barbara Stager
Mary Surratt
Della Sutorius
Marybeth Tinning
Kimberly Dawn Trenor
Karla Faye Tucker
Lynn Turner
Leslie Van Houten
Elizabeth Van Valkenburgh
Reetika Vazirani
Rachel Wade
Carolyn Warmus
Martha Wise
Susan Wright
Diane Zamora

I believe this string is about multiple shooting...this list is off the subject. However the S names for all shooters is longer than this. 64% of all gun violence is at the hands of a male.

Guest 12-06-2015 05:01 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1154872)
Another really dumb post. You people need done new material. Boring....

Say that again, in English.

Guest 12-06-2015 05:07 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1154960)
I believe this string is about multiple shooting...this list is off the subject. However the S names for all shooters is longer than this. 64% of all gun violence is at the hands of a male.

See post #25. I believe the list is just evidence that we are all in this together. Using stats to slant or divert the topic is a favorite of the liberals on here. Trying to insinuate that all violence is white male based, is totally skewing the topic and perverting fact.

Guest 12-06-2015 05:10 AM

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Another really dumb post. You people need done new material. Boring....

Yes, the truth is boring at times. If you wish exciting entertainment, perhaps you should move to a forum that contains more quotes from the Entertainer-in-chief. That's all he is capable of, entertaining.

Guest 12-06-2015 08:48 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155027)
See post #25. I believe the list is just evidence that we are all in this together. Using stats to slant or divert the topic is a favorite of the liberals on here. Trying to insinuate that all violence is white male based, is totally skewing the topic and perverting fact.

Please show me where I stated ALL or insinuated that all violence is white male based. In Colorado 100% of multiple shooter events were at the hands of a male and 90% percent were white. That is just a fact not slanted just fact.

And why is it that anyone who disagrees with the general theme of this forum is labeled a liberal. There are conservative Democrats who might be to the left of you but not the preferred term now Progressive.

I learned early if you used the word ALL to make a point the argument was lost!

Guest 12-06-2015 09:50 AM

I haven't lost faith in Americans, but I have lost faith in the Hyphens.

Guest 12-06-2015 10:36 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155059)
Please show me where I stated ALL or insinuated that all violence is white male based. In Colorado 100% of multiple shooter events were at the hands of a male and 90% percent were white. That is just a fact not slanted just fact.

And why is it that anyone who disagrees with the general theme of this forum is labeled a liberal. There are conservative Democrats who might be to the left of you but not the preferred term now Progressive.

I learned early if you used the word ALL to make a point the argument was lost!

Yes, the PC way to word it is to omit "all" or "must." Don't you just hate it when someone disagrees with you? As far as "conservative Democrats" is concerned, that phrase has turned into an oxymoron. I believe my dad was the last conservative democrat. That species is "all" but extinct. Perhaps it is time for liberals to come out of the closet and just go with a more descriptive label, socialist. But, I believe that we have strayed from the topic again.

Guest 12-06-2015 11:21 AM

I have faith in the general population of Americans to do what is right when they are needed.

I do not have an ounce of faith for ANYBODY who needs to include an R or D in anything they do, discuss, believe or continue to jam down everybody else's throats. These radical views on how to run or live in our America do not represent a true picture of the real make up of America.

It is too bad we have a media and political system that communicates as if what they say is reality when we all know it is not. What they have to say is what they want America to be.....thank GOD so far we still out number them and still have our America.

My negative thought is that as the America of the past grows older and dies away those who have nothing invested in or just came to our shores for other than noble reasons in addition to the born in America generation that just doesn't care about the values of the past.......then America will surely begin to fade and die.

Just look back at the last 20 years. We have progressed technologically and deteriorated or at best remained stagnant.

We the people, the silent majority are still the majority. We do have time to take America back to it's core values. Acknowledge the minority efforts and needs......but do not let them continue to get away with that which we do not support.

While we still are the majority!

Guest 12-06-2015 12:03 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155099)
Yes, the PC way to word it is to omit "all" or "must." Don't you just hate it when someone disagrees with you? As far as "conservative Democrats" is concerned, that phrase has turned into an oxymoron. I believe my dad was the last conservative democrat. That species is "all" but extinct. Perhaps it is time for liberals to come out of the closet and just go with a more descriptive label, socialist. But, I believe that we have strayed from the topic again.

Let'e explore this just a bit. I remember when the liberal label was thrown out as insult now that word isn't getting the job done anymore so you've moved on to another....SOCIALIST. I seem to remember when Reagan went around the country vowing to shutdown social security because it is a socialist program.

Do you live in The Villages? Then you know its a socialist community. I don't live here all year round but I am still charged my amenity fee, for example even though I am 1800 miles away for 4 months.

If you live here then, most likely, you could be receiving a Social Security check, yet another socialist program. And if you are over 65 you must be enrolled in Medicare yet another socialist program.

So if I were you I really wouldn't be using that word as an intended insult cause that would be hypocritical and I know you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite now would you!

Guest 12-06-2015 01:26 PM

Perhaps it would be good to understand what socialism is or means.

Living in TV is a socialist entity!!

I will leave room for the opportunity that some one else is paying for what you have or what you get here in TV.

But me and everybody I know, we do not get on single thing living in TV for free. Or subsidized. It is one hundred percent paid for by the individual resident.

Most of us can no doubt gyess your subject or agenda, however using TV as an example of socialism took away ALL the credibility.

I am sorry....TV an example of socialism....

.:1rotfl::1rotfl:

:a20::a20:

Guest 12-06-2015 01:29 PM

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I am the op here and this is why I don't post here often. Everyone went completely away from my topic. Again my question was what is wrong with Americans that can ignore the murders in our own country. Are they just dumb, selfish ??? Why can't everyone agree the no 1 job of the president is protect AMERICA. He isn't. He won't. Does anyone care?? It wasn't your kids This time so is that OK?? What about next time? How do u bury your head in the sand?? Are we that divided as a nation we don't even demand protection from our government? Our younger generation, do they even know what's going on? Xmas is coming. People are burying their loved from from yey another Islamic attack. When is enough enough?? 9\11. Forgotten? Next one, maybe our kids??? Anyone care enough to do anything??

Dear OP:

You have part of your answer by the responses given following your original post. Its called "a short attention span" There are unfortunately not enough deep thinkers in America any longer. In fact I have said in the past that educational institutes teach our kids to emote but not to think. The episodes recently at a number of universities wherein the students demand "safe spaces" is an unfortunate result .

Hence a shooting these days or any political or social issue for that matter means to many to emote, then blink, then deflate but never to follow the issue to the negative affect the issue has on society as a whole.

Another reason, too many people don't understand that life is a series of trade offs and the best a person can do is prioritize those trade offs. Coupled with the need to trade off these same people do not understand the application of Occam's Razor (ie the simplest answer is the answer) as they too often go chasing rainbows.

Another reason, too many people do not understand that nature has limits. For instance they don't understand that money really doesn't grow on trees.

Another reason, like our politician who don't read , absorb ,etc before voting too many posters ignore what has been written or dismiss it because their opinion is all that matters. You witnessed that with your post because they did not counter point or even elaborate on post

Like you I am becoming weary and frankly wary of posting on political talk because there are just not a sufficient number of deep thinkers willing to point counter point and unfortunately far too many jesters.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 12-06-2015 01:29 PM

And for those of us who paid into SS all of our working years we DO NOT view it as a socialist program.

And for those who under whatever rule just walk in and get a handout without ever contributing one dime........I call that a :censored: shame!

Guest 12-06-2015 02:28 PM

98% of u are nuts! Have a nice day!

Guest 12-06-2015 04:26 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155155)
Perhaps it would be good to understand what socialism is or means.

Living in TV is a socialist entity!!

I will leave room for the opportunity that some one else is paying for what you have or what you get here in TV.

But me and everybody I know, we do not get on single thing living in TV for free. Or subsidized. It is one hundred percent paid for by the individual resident.

Most of us can no doubt gyess your subject or agenda, however using TV as an example of socialism took away ALL the credibility.

I am sorry....TV an example of socialism....

.:1rotfl::1rotfl:

:a20::a20:

So you really don't understand socialism at all!

Guest 12-06-2015 05:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155157)
And for those of us who paid into SS all of our working years we DO NOT view it as a socialist program.

And for those who under whatever rule just walk in and get a handout without ever contributing one dime........I call that a :censored: shame!

You might not view it as a socialist program but it is because you can pay into all your working life and not collect the total amount you contributed or you can receive more money than you contributed.

Then there are the people who are means tested and don't get a dime.

You could have taken your money and invested it for yourself, that by definition is capitalist but instead the Federal Government took your money and put it in a big pot for all to share.....= socialist.

Guest 12-06-2015 05:31 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155155)
Perhaps it would be good to understand what socialism is or means.

Living in TV is a socialist entity!!

I will leave room for the opportunity that some one else is paying for what you have or what you get here in TV.

But me and everybody I know, we do not get on single thing living in TV for free. Or subsidized. It is one hundred percent paid for by the individual resident.

Most of us can no doubt gyess your subject or agenda, however using TV as an example of socialism took away ALL the credibility.

I am sorry....TV an example of socialism....

.:1rotfl::1rotfl:

:a20::a20:

:highfive:

Guest 12-06-2015 05:34 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155143)
Let'e explore this just a bit. I remember when the liberal label was thrown out as insult now that word isn't getting the job done anymore so you've moved on to another....SOCIALIST. I seem to remember when Reagan went around the country vowing to shutdown social security because it is a socialist program.

Do you live in The Villages? Then you know its a socialist community. I don't live here all year round but I am still charged my amenity fee, for example even though I am 1800 miles away for 4 months.

If you live here then, most likely, you could be receiving a Social Security check, yet another socialist program. And if you are over 65 you must be enrolled in Medicare yet another socialist program.

So if I were you I really wouldn't be using that word as an intended insult cause that would be hypocritical and I know you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite now would you!

That's why it's so easy to push socialism now. You are an example of one that does not know what socialism is. Congratulations, you are contributing to the downfall of the best country in the world. And, I do not mean to disparage you at all.

Guest 12-06-2015 06:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155245)
That's why it's so easy to push socialism now. You are an example of one that does not know what socialism is. Congratulations, you are contributing to the downfall of the best country in the world. And, I do not mean to disparage you at all.

This would be funny if it weren't so sad....

Not worth my time.

Guest 12-07-2015 06:37 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155253)
This would be funny if it weren't so sad....

Not worth my time.

Thank you....for not wasting your time.

Guest 12-07-2015 06:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1154027)
Quite possibly the dumbest post ever - and for this site that is saying something

So you answered with the dumbest response ever posted!

Guest 12-07-2015 08:22 AM

I'll bite. What exactly do you think socialism is?

Guest 12-07-2015 09:58 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155423)
I'll bite. What exactly do you think socialism is?

Democrats comes to mind. How about you? Tell me the difference between socialist and Democrat. Debbie Whatshername couldn't do it.

Guest 12-07-2015 10:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155509)
Democrats comes to mind. How about you? Tell me the difference between socialist and Democrat. Debbie Whatshername couldn't do it.

I am a Democrat who worked for a company that has done well for many years. The managers did well. the workers did well. The founder became a billionaire. We had a union that negotiated contracts so that we could work under a fair working agreement. We gave concessions in hard times and received better pay and benefits in good times. I am a firm believer in capitalism. I wanted my bosses to make a lot of money. The president and chairman signed contracts for pay and benefits. The US is a capitalist country that has some social programs negotiated between Republicans and Democrats.
Almost all of my Republican friends accept benefits from social programs. They would never consider themselves socialists, nor do I.

Guest 12-07-2015 10:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1155526)
I am a Democrat who worked for a company that has done well for many years. The managers did well. the workers did well. The founder became a billionaire. We had a union that negotiated contracts so that we could work under a fair working agreement. We gave concessions in hard times and received better pay and benefits in good times. I am a firm believer in capitalism. I wanted my bosses to make a lot of money. The president and chairman signed contracts for pay and benefits. The US is a capitalist country that has some social programs negotiated between Republicans and Democrats.
Almost all of my Republican friends accept benefits from social programs. They would never consider themselves socialists, nor do I.

Thank you for presenting how most Americans see the issue!


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