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MDLNB 12-03-2016 02:13 PM
34 individuals get to ruin it for the other 100,000 residents. Liberal attitudes abound in today's society.

kathicam65 12-03-2016 04:07 PM
LOL!! Thinking the same thing but wasnt sure if it would be Obamas fault or Hilarys!!

Don Baldwin 12-03-2016 07:58 PM
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Well, read some of the posts. It's impossible to have a civil discussion on this forum. Everything is political to some. Those that want to do what is right for the handicap are liberals that just are getting in the way of my lifestyle. That seems to be what I'm hearing here. Like a conservative isn't in favor of accommodation for the hearing impaired.

Just wait until the inmates take over this aslysum. This is just the beginning---wait until the music stops because someone files a lawsuit over not being able to hear the music.
Where is the limit to PUBLIC assistance for the handicapped? And to what level of handicapped?

Your "analogy" is hardly... These people want SPECIAL accommodations PROVIDED for them. If they NEED whomever or whatever...they are FREE to bring it with them. But to MAKE others bear costs for an individual is out of line and should be unconstitutional. Hell, 80% of the government is unconstitutional. We WERE freer under King George than we are now.

Your analogy would be more accurate if you said they sues because they weren't provided a FRONT ROW seat at the square.

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34 individuals get to ruin it for the other 100,000 residents. Liberal attitudes abound in today's society.
157,000 could run them out on a rail..."tar and feathered". That's EXACTLY what they would have done in the days when people took care of their own business. 4,500 showing up per litigant demanding they withdraw their case. It would send quite a message. We're not to be trifled with. Are not some things worth fighting for?

How about your country? It's being invaded by Hispanics...ready to fight for that too?

autumnspring 12-04-2016 11:08 AM
An interesting book on the subject
 
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Can you believe this guy and a law suit caused the life long learning center to close! This is rediculous. He has a fancy house on a golf course and sues the learning center because he is hearing impaired. My husband is too and this community offers all kinds of privileges that he has now prevented us from enjoying. I have a great idea! MOVE
I recall reading a book entitled WHATS WRONG WITH THE AMERICAN LEGAL SYSTEM.

America has more attys per capita then any other country in the world. We also have more suits than any other country in the world.

SIMILAR crap law suits prevented much needed public restrooms being installed in NYC. The initial plan was stopped because the association for the disabled insisted that it MUST be wheelchair accessible. After much study-READ THAT AS EXPENSE-the only solution that the association for the disabled found accessible was to have a person at each booth 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
The cost of course got way out of hand so the plan was dropped. RESULT-a working rest room is rare in NYC the smell of people using the streets and the sanitation issues ARE NOT RARE AT ALL.

THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF ATTYS IN THE US. THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A SHORTAGE OF ATTYS WITH COMMON SENSE.

autumnspring 12-04-2016 11:26 AM
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Yes, that is why a lot of us moved here. Why did you move here if you don't like it? TO CHANGE IT? Because that is exactly why Yankees move South. They like it down South until they move here and then attempt to change it to reflect their nasty Northern, crime ridden lifestyle. Just so they can complain again.

I am not going to attempt to explain to you why I enjoy living in a predominantly white community. It really has nothing to do with race, but with security or race. Seniors are generally more law abiding than the young that like to act out and rebel against authority. That's why we have a seniors' community. We have rules that everyone agrees to when they move here. Remember the covenants and restrictions that you signed when you purchased? Or, do you even live here? DO NOT come here expecting us to change or conform to your idea of what YOU want it to be. There is plenty of room in America for people like you to live where you don't have to be subjected to our lifestyle. It is your prerogative (even though wrong) to believe that because the community is mostly white that we are racially biased. You still have free thought. All you are doing by accusing us, is making yourself less acceptable to the community. Most of us moved away from people like you. But, you insist on following us around. For some reason, it gives you pleasure to make those around you as miserable as you.

I am still a believer of the old saying of: LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. It's up to you, but if you want my opinion free of charge, you would be a lot happier if you accepted our community for what it is, instead of what you want it to be. In case you don't know it, I am not a believer or advocate of PC.
Arizona and Nevada used to be a haven for people with disorders such as azthema and tuberculosis the reason was the dry air and low pollen count. PEOPLE ARRIVED and they planted lawns and trees-THAT ARE NOT INDIGENOUS. These foreign, to the environment, plants can only survive with artificial watering AND THE POLLEN COUNT IS MUCH HIGHER THAN IT WOULD BE IN NATURE.

autumnspring 12-04-2016 11:41 AM
I've read in these posts that this was a class action suit
 
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34 individuals get to ruin it for the other 100,000 residents. Liberal attitudes abound in today's society.
Assuming that is true, NO I AM NOT A PARTY IN THE SUIT, many of the people involved signed intot he suit without any thought. THE ATTY WHO STARTED THE SUIT IS THE PROBLEM.

I expect the others once they signed into the suit, if the atty did it correctly FOR HIMSELF, would not give the others the RIGHT to withdraw. As a class action suit, the atty who started the case, LIKELY, lays out all the expenses and ASSUMING THEY WIN THE CASE, gets back all the expenses PLUS ONE THIRD OF THE MONETARY REWARDS.

IN MY OPINION-the atty thought he had a GOLD MINE.
The school likely spent a tidy sum-LOST MONEY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED ELSEWHERE AND THE DECISION WAS MADE TO CLOSE THE PROGRAM.

THE ISSUE IS THE ATTY WHO STARTED THIS SELF ONLY SUIT.

AJ32162 12-04-2016 12:12 PM
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Assuming that is true, NO I AM NOT A PARTY IN THE SUIT, many of the people involved signed intot he suit without any thought. THE ATTY WHO STARTED THE SUIT IS THE PROBLEM.

I expect the others once they signed into the suit, if the atty did it correctly FOR HIMSELF, would not give the others the RIGHT to withdraw. As a class action suit, the atty who started the case, LIKELY, lays out all the expenses and ASSUMING THEY WIN THE CASE, gets back all the expenses PLUS ONE THIRD OF THE MONETARY REWARDS.

IN MY OPINION-the atty thought he had a GOLD MINE.
The school likely spent a tidy sum-LOST MONEY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED ELSEWHERE AND THE DECISION WAS MADE TO CLOSE THE PROGRAM.

THE ISSUE IS THE ATTY WHO STARTED THIS SELF ONLY SUIT.
The definition of a tragedy: A bus load of lawyers going over a cliff...with one empty seat.:D

Buffalo Jim 12-04-2016 01:56 PM
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We all knew it would be Obama's fault. It's just surprising it took 15 posts to get there.
This situation is representative of the atmosphere his administration fostered .

Don Baldwin 12-04-2016 02:19 PM
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This situation is representative of the atmosphere his administration fostered .
Were they should get the same as us...without EARNING it. It's NOT my fault an entire race can't compete equally with other races. If they haven't earned it, they don't belong...period. NO MORE quotas. No more block-busting "forced diversity". There's a REASON after 150 years...they're STILL no better off than when they were freed. There's a reason the Irish went from slave to equal. There's a reason Italians went from sh!t to equal. There's a reason for Pols, Jews, EVERY "white" race ethnic group. They ALL PROVED their equality. What happened to the blacks? They can't prove it, and we see it every day in the inner cities. Violent, lawless, ignorant behavior. MLK, I AM judging your children by their actions...NOT the color of their skin.

MDLNB 12-04-2016 03:35 PM
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Were they should get the same as us...without EARNING it. It's NOT my fault an entire race can't compete equally with other races. If they haven't earned it, they don't belong...period. NO MORE quotas. No more block-busting "forced diversity". There's a REASON after 150 years...they're STILL no better off than when they were freed. There's a reason the Irish went from slave to equal. There's a reason Italians went from sh!t to equal. There's a reason for Pols, Jews, EVERY "white" race ethnic group. They ALL PROVED their equality. What happened to the blacks? They can't prove it, and we see it every day in the inner cities. Violent, lawless, ignorant behavior. MLK, I AM judging your children by their actions...NOT the color of their skin.
Are you suggesting that the deaf folks in this suit are BLACK? You do know that this thread is about the deaf and the school being shut down, right? As far as I know the guy that initiated it, is not black. He isn't a woman either so no use trying to bend it in that direction.

Try following the flow of the thread. We've already seen how you feel about minorities, women, gays, Muslims, Jews, etc. Try to calm down and be coherent. chilout

rubicon 12-05-2016 06:07 AM
60 Minutes had a segment on attorneys filing bogus lawsuits under ADA all over the country. wonder if this lawsuit has application here?

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dirtbanker 12-05-2016 07:46 AM
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Mr. Swartz should be extremely proud of himself . Just more tyranny at the hands of a very small minority .
It would do little good to try to speak with him (after all he is deaf), but you could send him a letter sharing your admiration.

The address for Louis J Schwarz can easily be found online.

cmj1210 12-05-2016 08:06 AM
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60 Minutes had a segment on attorneys filing bogus lawsuits under ADA all over the country. wonder if this lawsuit has application here?

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We saw the segment last night in light of this lawsuit. Very disturbing.


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dirtbanker 12-05-2016 09:31 AM
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157,000 could run them out on a rail..."tar and feathered". That's EXACTLY what they would have done in the days when people took care of their own business. 4,500 showing up per litigant demanding they withdraw their case. It would send quite a message. We're not to be trifled with. Are not some things worth fighting for?
The ol days of tar and feathering are gone. There are less violent ways to run people out of a community:

Park cars on the street in front of their house day and night (not sure what time restrictions there are), nobody likes to look at other peoples cars in front of their house all the time.

Drive over just to walk your dog in their yard, in fact bring your neighbors dog too. Leave a car behind if you can arrange a ride back. If he says anything flip him off (it would do no good to yell, he can't hear).

Instead of toilet papering and plastic forking, throw Q tips and ear wax remover in his yard.

Join his "deaf club", you know they have to have a club to organize these attacks (might be called the "what you say club"). Wear your ear buds and constantly say "WHAT" to the rest of the members. If they inquire why you want to join; "ask them if you have to be deaf to be a member?" If they say yes, ask them to put that in writing (tell them you are hard of hearing and just want to make sure you understand correctly).

Sign him up on hearing aid websites (use his name and contact information), cut out advertisements from newspaper and magazines (no shortage of those in The Villages) and mail them to him.

Hand write an advertisement for free pit bull puppys with his name and number on it, state you "work second shift so call after 11:30PM". Also mention "hard of hearing, please talk loudly". Place that advertisement in a local biker bar (IE: the Shamrock in Leesburg).

Ron_Ski 12-05-2016 11:45 AM
We should call them by what they really are, ADA Trolls.

Don Baldwin 12-05-2016 11:57 AM
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The ol days of tar and feathering are gone. There are less violent ways to run people out of a community:

Park cars on the street in front of their house day and night (not sure what time restrictions there are), nobody likes to look at other peoples cars in front of their house all the time.

Drive over just to walk your dog in their yard, in fact bring your neighbors dog too. Leave a car behind if you can arrange a ride back. If he says anything flip him off (it would do no good to yell, he can't hear).

Instead of toilet papering and plastic forking, throw Q tips and ear wax remover in his yard.

Join his "deaf club", you know they have to have a club to organize these attacks (might be called the "what you say club"). Wear your ear buds and constantly say "WHAT" to the rest of the members. If they inquire why you want to join; "ask them if you have to be deaf to be a member?" If they say yes, ask them to put that in writing (tell them you are hard of hearing and just want to make sure you understand correctly).

Sign him up on hearing aid websites (use his name and contact information), cut out advertisements from newspaper and magazines (no shortage of those in The Villages) and mail them to him.

Hand write an advertisement for free pit bull puppys with his name and number on it, state you "work second shift so call after 11:30PM". Also mention "hard of hearing, please talk loudly". Place that advertisement in a local biker bar (IE: the Shamrock in Leesburg).
All good suggestions but I think an angry mob of several thousand with torches and pitchforks sends a clearer message.

MDLNB 12-05-2016 02:26 PM
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All good suggestions but I think an angry mob of several thousand with torches and pitchforks sends a clearer message.
It works for the left......or maybe it hasn't.

autumnspring 12-05-2016 04:23 PM
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Do you read what you write? You sound like a child, stomping her feet and saying "you don't love me. You hate me."

Where do you see anyone saying that they would not help someone that needs assistance? This is not about that at all. This is about a serial complainer that enjoys suing anything establishment, because that person is miserable and wishes everyone else to be miserable. Causing an institution to be shut down is not going to garner sympathy.

If one wishes assistance, they should not DEMAND it.
BUT, you are clearly what the class nerd becomes in OLD AGE.
I was not in any way involved in this suit.
The sad fact is the only one guilty of this fiasco is the atty who started the suit THINKING HE NEEDS TO FEEL IMPORTANT OR HOPES TO LINE HIS POCKETS.
If, the information posted is correct this was a class action suit. Other than the atty the others likely were talked into it and have not put up any money.
If, I am correct, the others could not stop the case if they wanted to.
The school likely did not have the funds to fight this case so they simply had no choice but to close.

FAR MORE IMPORTANT ON THE LARGE SCALE- will we now discover that things like the golf courses need to wheelchair accessible? Tennis? Basketball?

Sadly, I do not expect this to end with this one suit

autumnspring 12-05-2016 04:41 PM
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It would do little good to try to speak with him (after all he is deaf), but you could send him a letter sharing your admiration.

The address for Louis J Schwarz can easily be found online.
Just a suggestion.
Assuming he is truly deaf clearly he can read and write.

I am not an atty BUT, a registered return receipt letter, EVEN IF THE PERSON DOES NOT ACCEPT IT, after three attempts to deliver the post office will return it to the sender AND LEGALLY IT HAS BEEN DELIVERED.

I've not done this in years BUT, for a few extra bucks you can send a registered letter RESTRICTED DELIVERY/

,MR SCHWARTS WOULD THEN NEED TO DRIVE TO THE POST OFFICE TO SIGN FOR IT AS WE DO NOT HAVE DELIVERY TO YOUR DOOR

I do not believe in fighting fair. I HAVE LITTLE EXPERIENCE IN LOOSING.
You could also come up with as many small claims court cases as you feel you need where MR Schwartz would need to attend to defend. If, he refuses to come to court he will lopse you then can after whatever the number of attempts is in Florida law-back home it was three letters, you send the sheriff to his home to collect.

MORAL OF THiS POST-you do not want to fight the battle the expect.
We all have read the story of David vs Goliath-had David fought the battle that Goliath wanted, DAVID HAD NO CHANCE.

dbussone 12-05-2016 05:43 PM
Louis Swartz lawsuit closing the life long learning center
 
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BUT, you are clearly what the class nerd becomes in OLD AGE.

I was not in any way involved in this suit.

The sad fact is the only one guilty of this fiasco is the atty who started the suit THINKING HE NEEDS TO FEEL IMPORTANT OR HOPES TO LINE HIS POCKETS.

If, the information posted is correct this was a class action suit. Other than the atty the others likely were talked into it and have not put up any money.

If, I am correct, the others could not stop the case if they wanted to.

The school likely did not have the funds to fight this case so they simply had no choice but to close.



FAR MORE IMPORTANT ON THE LARGE SCALE- will we now discover that things like the golf courses need to wheelchair accessible? Tennis? Basketball?



Sadly, I do not expect this to end with this one suit


Just as an aside, the golf courses make special accommodations for handicapped golfers. One can reserve special carts, and a cart will be delivered to a golf course of your choice.

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I've seen them in use numerous times.

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zigzag 12-06-2016 08:12 AM
We thought when we moved here we were rid New York City values, lawyers and the plaintiff bar behind us. Why don't they move back North where they will be comfortable with their own kind?

MDLNB 12-06-2016 08:55 AM
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We thought when we moved here we were rid New York City values, lawyers and the plaintiff bar behind us. Why don't they move back North where they will be comfortable with their own kind?
Totally agree! ..:highfive:

Topspinmo 12-06-2016 09:04 AM
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I do not think these 34 deaf residents wanted to close the lifelong learning college. Unfortunately the cost to provide hearing impaired services is beyond the scope of volunteer activities. Hopefully this will not extend to 2000 clubs and free rec center activities. We all lose. I am very sad about this.
No they wanted some money that Mr. S. promised. He Mr. S probably made good living from this kind of law suit. What backfired was the closing of the LLLC. Now They have to live with that.

O by the way Some people can't just get hearing aid due to there are no functioning ear drum to feed the brain with noise Except buzzing sound. Those are the ones that need and sign language interpreter. But, you would expect in retirement community by now would of overcome these problems? But, I guess winning the ghetto lottery just too tempting.

MDLNB 12-06-2016 09:28 AM
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No they wanted some money that Mr. S. promised. He Mr. S probably made good living from this kind of law suit. What backfired was the closing of the LLLC. Now They have to live with that.

O by the way Some people can't just get hearing aid due to there are no functioning ear drum to feed the brain with noise Except buzzing sound. Those are the ones that need and sign language interpreter. But, you would expect in retirement community by now would of overcome these problems? But, I guess winning the ghetto lottery just too tempting.
How much more would EVERY class cost if it was required to pay for an interpreter? It's admirable that some want to accommodate the deaf, but maybe it is just not a viable option and that is why the center is closing down.

Not to change the subject, but I find it puzzling that not ALL of these homes in The Villages have handicap access doorways. Meaning, in some other states it is a requirement that all ground level entryways have wide enough openings to accommodate wheel chairs. Just saying.

MDLNB 12-06-2016 09:29 AM
Is this subject REALLY considered to be related to the political forum?

billethkid 12-06-2016 09:56 AM
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Is this subject REALLY considered to be related to the political forum?
NO!

It is someone's biased opinion that the political forum is the only place where dissenting views are allowed!!!!

MDLNB 12-06-2016 10:02 AM
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NO!

It is someone's biased opinion that the political forum is the only place where dissenting views are allowed!!!!
That is a good point.

eviemaurer 12-06-2016 06:57 PM
Please attend the Welcome Wednesday Meeting tomorrow, Dec 7 at 11:00 am in the administration office upstairs; go in the door in the breezeway next to Starbucks. Maybe we can learn "The rest of the story", and get some answers. Welcome Wednesday is a program designed to give residents the opportunity to learn about ongoing projects, address rumors and have their questions answered by District staff. Please join us each Wednesday at 11:00 a.m. at the District office located at 984 Old Mill Run to have the opportunity to hear first-hand about the latest rumors and meet District Board Supervisors from your CDD and others

jblum315 12-10-2016 05:28 PM
As far as I know, the LLC offerings are for the purpose of entertainment and information - I mean they are not college courses that will earn you a degree or help you get a job.

So, people fill their leisure time in different ways and I don't see why a hearing-impaired person can't find a different way of getting entertainment and information - reading or watching videos or movies. Visually-impaired people mostly listen. Same idea.


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