Posted by Guest

As a long time critic, and opponent of both Clinton's, it bothers me no end when you back me into a corner, because more than political support or non support, I value Truth above all.

You obviously are a Fox fan, a Hannity fan and a fan of Alex Jones.

Your post is innacurate in so much.

First, as a lie of omission, you always, as do your heros I mentioned, that this uranium deal was begun under President Bush. It did not have seeds where you imply it did.

Next, the Nuclear Regulatory Comission approved this deal in 2010. The 20% figure represents of, at that time, current liscense holders to use "in-situ" production., which is simply one of two methods. That 20% has severely reduced with the issuance of more liscenses. The 20% was an ESTIMATE of license holders, not uranium, and has reduced because of more liscenses to less than 10%..

Remember, the original estimate was 20% of liscenses of ONE SINGLE METHOD OF OBTAINING URANIUM. NOT 20% of the uranium.

So, when you tell people that our government sold 20% of our uranium, THAT IS A LIE.

Add to that, nine-member interagency group, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United State, needed to approve this deal. ALL members of that group have stated no Clinton was involved

Point is, you are simply fueling what is wrong in our social media dazed country.

I KNOW that you are getting this incorrect and false information from any of a few extreme, hard right sources. That includes Fox News, by the way. They have completely sold out.

It goes hand in hand with today's congressional hearings where we hear about the Russian...VERIFIED RUSSIAN...involvement in using our extreme right wing internet sites to propel lies, and to instill more hate. That includes inciting hate for our media because they report facts, but are called fake news.

You can determine why these lies continue, and why YOU promulgate them, but you are constantly being told that you are spreading false information while claiming the media lies. Yet you continue to simply use the extreme alt right messages from Fox or others, instead of paying attention to facts coming to you daily in most media outlets, and search for your own facts to balance.

Bottom line, this is one example, that you are living a lie. Nobody but the extreme alt right is saying what you say...everyone else knows it is a lie.

How can you give a crap about our country when you allow yourself to bend to such lies, and how can you pass yourself off as a smart person when you just accept crap.


The repeated, incorrect claim that Russia obtained ‘20 percent of our uranium’ - The Washington Post

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times

The Hillary Clinton Russia Uranium One Conspiracy Theory Doesn’t Make Any Sense

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/trum...s-uranium.html

I just do not understand why you appear not to give a damn about the investigation into Russian attacking us using cyber weapons, or actual traitors to our country. You words and efforts are restricted to defending Trump. You and others just continue to allow him and his minions to lead you around like a child, if he did nothing wrong, this vigorous defense is not needed. His strategy of attacking his critics using the same message does not apply here.

He is the President. I have no idea of what he did or didn't do, but this defense and attacks appear to have a reason. Fox News shouted Mueller credentials and now spend most of the day attacking him. Hannity, etal. have simply lost their minds. Allow this investigation to proceed and see where it goes.

Posted by Guest

My friend I just wrote on another thread that we all come to these pages with our version of the truth.

The uranium deal was done during Obama's Administration with claims of bribes and kickbacks.
We both waste time here because the political winds will never go against the progressives. They can and do commit murder and walk away. Its their right of passage
This imbroglio will never see the light of day.

You make the wrong assumption when you conclude I watch Hannity and Alex Jones because I view neither.

In fact Fox News gets little attention from me;albeit it beats the opposition especially CNN. I refuse to watch much of anything on the alphabet stations news, sit -coms, etc because they are of poor quality.

In summary there is no sense in discussing the true facts of the urnium deal because it will never seriously be investigated as the country is too obsessed and entertained with Trump Derangement Syndrome

Personal Best Regards:

Posted by Guest

Here is the difference.

I offer SUBSTANTIATED FACTS, with no political motive or idol to protect.

You voice OPINIONS which are uniquely and ONLY .reported on the sites I mention, or other sites that report far extreme right wing conspiracies.

THAT IS A FACT, and not an opinion I brought to these pages.

You will do whatever it takes to protect Trump...that simple. You avoid speaking about his lies, you repeat what he tweets, or variations thereof. You DO, despite your saying you do not watch those extreme conspiracy filled sites you don't watch, express in scary duplication, their thoughts and theories.

Why are you NEVER concerned about an attack on our country to disrupt our elections. Why are you not expressing concern at our President for referring to a legitimate and needed investigation as a hoax. Whay, just today, are you not hearing our President take another attack in New York and making it political.

Posted by Guest

As a long time critic, and opponent of both Clinton's, it bothers me no end when you back me into a corner, because more than political support or non support, I value Truth above all.

You obviously are a Fox fan, a Hannity fan and a fan of Alex Jones.

Your post is innacurate in so much.

First, as a lie of omission, you always, as do your heros I mentioned, that this uranium deal was begun under President Bush. It did not have seeds where you imply it did.

Next, the Nuclear Regulatory Comission approved this deal in 2010. The 20% figure represents of, at that time, current liscense holders to use "in-situ" production., which is simply one of two methods. That 20% has severely reduced with the issuance of more liscenses. The 20% was an ESTIMATE of license holders, not uranium, and has reduced because of more liscenses to less than 10%..

Remember, the original estimate was 20% of liscenses of ONE SINGLE METHOD OF OBTAINING URANIUM. NOT 20% of the uranium.

So, when you tell people that our government sold 20% of our uranium, THAT IS A LIE.

Add to that, nine-member interagency group, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United State, needed to approve this deal. ALL members of that group have stated no Clinton was involved

Point is, you are simply fueling what is wrong in our social media dazed country.

I KNOW that you are getting this incorrect and false information from any of a few extreme, hard right sources. That includes Fox News, by the way. They have completely sold out.

It goes hand in hand with today's congressional hearings where we hear about the Russian...VERIFIED RUSSIAN...involvement in using our extreme right wing internet sites to propel lies, and to instill more hate. That includes inciting hate for our media because they report facts, but are called fake news.

You can determine why these lies continue, and why YOU promulgate them, but you are constantly being told that you are spreading false information while claiming the media lies. Yet you continue to simply use the extreme alt right messages from Fox or others, instead of paying attention to facts coming to you daily in most media outlets, and search for your own facts to balance.

Bottom line, this is one example, that you are living a lie. Nobody but the extreme alt right is saying what you say...everyone else knows it is a lie.

How can you give a crap about our country when you allow yourself to bend to such lies, and how can you pass yourself off as a smart person when you just accept crap.


The repeated, incorrect claim that Russia obtained ‘20 percent of our uranium’ - The Washington Post

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times

The Hillary Clinton Russia Uranium One Conspiracy Theory Doesn’t Make Any Sense

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/trum...s-uranium.html

I just do not understand why you appear not to give a damn about the investigation into Russian attacking us using cyber weapons, or actual traitors to our country. You words and efforts are restricted to defending Trump. You and others just continue to allow him and his minions to lead you around like a child, if he did nothing wrong, this vigorous defense is not needed. His strategy of attacking his critics using the same message does not apply here.

He is the President. I have no idea of what he did or didn't do, but this defense and attacks appear to have a reason. Fox News shouted Mueller credentials and now spend most of the day attacking him. Hannity, etal. have simply lost their minds. Allow this investigation to proceed and see where it goes.

Posted by Guest

Here is the difference.

I offer SUBSTANTIATED FACTS, with no political motive or idol to protect.

You voice OPINIONS which are uniquely and ONLY .reported on the sites I mention, or other sites that report far extreme right wing conspiracies.

THAT IS A FACT, and not an opinion I brought to these pages.

You will do whatever it takes to protect Trump...that simple. You avoid speaking about his lies, you repeat what he tweets, or variations thereof. You DO, despite your saying you do not watch those extreme conspiracy filled sites you don't watch, express in scary duplication, their thoughts and theories.

Why are you NEVER concerned about an attack on our country to disrupt our elections. Why are you not expressing concern at our President for referring to a legitimate and needed investigation as a hoax. Whay, just today, are you not hearing our President take another attack in New York and making it political.

Posted by Guest

Keep on trying to get them to see the light. They voted for the con man Donald John Trump and cannot admit that they made a big mistake in doing so.

Posted by Guest

See, I understand why and how they voted as they did.

BUT, what I fail to understand is the anti american fervor that these people foster. You would think that those who stand behind "make america great again" kind of motto would stand for ideals of America. He did not change as you thought he would....he got worse. His ego is being fed daily now.

Instead they support a very anti american platform of lies, accusations, and an attitude that is tearing this country into pieces.

To proffer untruths as a defense of a man who could care less about our country, is inexcusable. To allow him to lead them by the nose into the world of lies and deception is unforgivable.

I keep thinking how the rest of the world thinks of us. They see the lies, the daily soap opera.....AND THIS IS IMPORTANT.....all generated by this President, nobody else. He is the seed that starts all of this, in recent months to distract from what I think is a vital and important investigation.

Yet, these folks allow him to lead them in a chorus of lies.

Posted by Guest

See, I understand why and how they voted as they did.

BUT, what I fail to understand is the anti american fervor that these people foster. You would think that those who stand behind "make america great again" kind of motto would stand for ideals of America. He did not change as you thought he would....he got worse. His ego is being fed daily now.

Instead they support a very anti american platform of lies, accusations, and an attitude that is tearing this country into pieces.

To proffer untruths as a defense of a man who could care less about our country, is inexcusable. To allow him to lead them by the nose into the world of lies and deception is unforgivable.

I keep thinking how the rest of the world thinks of us. They see the lies, the daily soap opera.....AND THIS IS IMPORTANT.....all generated by this President, nobody else. He is the seed that starts all of this, in recent months to distract from what I think is a vital and important investigation.

Yet, these folks allow him to lead them in a chorus of lies.

Posted by Guest (Post 1469137)

They only admit the facts that they want to believe in an ignore the others. Cognitive dissonance.

Posted by Guest

Here is the difference.

I offer SUBSTANTIATED FACTS, with no political motive or idol to protect.

You voice OPINIONS which are uniquely and ONLY .reported on the sites I mention, or other sites that report far extreme right wing conspiracies.

THAT IS A FACT, and not an opinion I brought to these pages.

You will do whatever it takes to protect Trump...that simple. You avoid speaking about his lies, you repeat what he tweets, or variations thereof. You DO, despite your saying you do not watch those extreme conspiracy filled sites you don't watch, express in scary duplication, their thoughts and theories.

Why are you NEVER concerned about an attack on our country to disrupt our elections. Why are you not expressing concern at our President for referring to a legitimate and needed investigation as a hoax. Whay, just today, are you not hearing our President take another attack in New York and making it political.

Posted by Guest

do you hear yourself? I wrote to you that we ALL have our own version of the truth and your reply "here is the difference , I offer SUBSTANTIATE FACT.....:D

My friend the news people are about as reliable and honest as a drunk Uncle. Geezzz Everyone of your posts reads the same, I'm right and I am smarter than you and you and you. Careful it hurts when you fall off or are pushed off your perch

Personal Best Regards:

Posted by Guest

do you hear yourself? I wrote to you that we ALL have our own version of the truth and your reply "here is the difference , I offer SUBSTANTIATE FACT.....:D

My friend the news people are about as reliable and honest as a drunk Uncle. Geezzz Everyone of your posts reads the same, I'm right and I am smarter than you and you and you. Careful it hurts when you fall off or are pushed off your perch

Personal Best Regards:

Posted by Guest (Post 1469283)

I don't expect Rubicon to ever respond, but to be clear, he is really gone now. He epitomizes my worst fear.

We have a President who has attacked almost ALL American institutions. Today he totally maligned our entire justice department.

I have no clue what Trumps motive might be. For sure, it involves his ego for sure. He has successfully lied about his personal finances, continually violates all ethics rules and thus he just gets richer.

I am not like Rubicon, or his friend Gracie or their friend BTK. I name those three and point them out because I recall all 3 on the original political forum. They expressed conservative views, as I did. I actually considered them allies at that time.

When I came back on here, and read their posts, I mistakenly thought they were simply angry at OBama, and for that reason supported Trump because he was the only alternative.

I find that in all 3 cases, I was absolutely wrong. I won't say they were all extremists wY back, because I do not know. Now, they are all extremists with no doubt. I thought all 3 would simply find how Trump lied, etc and would simply put the country first.

All 3 represent my worst fear. The extremes among us have come, and they care not about truth or anything moral. It is only about the win....nothing else. They will use any conspiracy theory...any lie to support what thevsee as a winner.

A presidency based on lies, injustice, accusations cannot survive. My fear, and those 3 are examples. They are gone, infested with this cancer of lies, and when Trump goes down, and he will, if not because of Russia something else. His followers who are now lost in the myriad of lies and deceptions are now at his behest, waging a cultural war, not political. At least that is how I see it.

What happens in this country when this goes down. Trump will only go in a nasty way, because it is his way. What happens to our society. The destruction, as many have always predicted, will be from within.

These are un American people, rolling themselves in my flag, desecrating all that made or makes this country great.

Did you notice at the hearings today, all the social media sources used by the Russians and how they were meant to divide us. So many sites, supposedly for support of police or white peoples. It actually makes you tear up at how you read posts on this site, grounded in their "version" of the truth, that are complete profession of those sites.

We are looking in the abyss....we are seriously under attack right now. Obviously, the Russian tactic of destroying a free press is on top of the "to do list".

These folks I mention sincerely believe their lies, easily shown as lies, are true. Those kind of people simply terrify me.

Posted by Guest

Posted by Guest (Post 1469290)

Actually, you and your ilk are the ones Putin have been laughing at (rightfully so)...and were the targets of his attack on America.

Obviously, his actions worked very well and because you are so brainwashed by the man-child POTUS...you now admire Putin as much as Chump does.

It just doesn't get any more traitorous and Un-American than that. :ohdear: