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Guest 06-17-2010 06:28 PM

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Right Wing Spin Machine in full force:


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...spill-response

It seems Dick Armey has it right. That was the point of my post. I'm glad you linked it so I know there are representative who feels as I do.

This is typical Chicago strong-arming. I'd like to know what he threatened BP with. If it's worse than this deal it must be a doozy.

Guest 06-17-2010 07:17 PM

An article in Forbes magazine the day before BP agreed to the slush fund titled, "Why BP Will Pay Obama's Escrow Fund," is an interesting read:


http://blogs.forbes.com/energysource...atedstoriesbox

Guest 06-17-2010 07:46 PM

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It seems Dick Armey has it right. That was the point of my post. I'm glad you linked it so I know there are representative who feels as I do.

This is typical Chicago strong-arming. I'd like to know what he threatened BP with. If it's worse than this deal it must be a doozy.

Surely you don't mean me......I am very happy with the "slush fund" and over the top about the oil workers unemployment fund.

Guest 06-17-2010 09:22 PM

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Surely you don't mean me......I am very happy with the "slush fund" and over the top about the oil workers unemployment fund.

While you libs are hollerin' and whoopin' and having a good time; we are slowly losing and steadily losing our freedom and rights and rule of law. I'm glad you're so happy.

When they come for you no one will be left to care.

Guest 06-17-2010 09:28 PM

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While you libs are hollerin' and whoopin' and having a good time; we are slowly losing and steadily losing our freedom and rights and rule of law. I'm glad you're so happy.

When they come for you no one will be left to care.

RichieLion....they have already come for me.

Guest 06-17-2010 09:34 PM

an apology????
 
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0617/gop...ion-shakedown/
maybe you agree with this idiot

Guest 06-17-2010 09:35 PM

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It'll be great to be bailed out by forcing the senior citizens in the UK to pay for this and who depend on their pension checks, that will be drastically reduced because of this deal. What's the immense hardship on the elderly compared to making people think Obama, or the "Ass Kicker In-Chief", is actually doing something.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ensioners.html

I really find this odd....so let get straight you are more concerned about the elderly in UK than the oil workers, fisherman, tourist industry and the environment in the US.. Did I get that right?

Or perhaps you have so BP or big oil stocks in your portfolio?

Guest 06-17-2010 11:05 PM

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I really find this odd....so let get straight you are more concerned about the elderly in UK than the oil workers, fisherman, tourist industry and the environment in the US.. Did I get that right?

Or perhaps you have so BP or big oil stocks in your portfolio?

Naaaaa ............... I'm with you Cologal, screw the elderly and screw it if Obama flouts the rule of law and shakes down a private company to release their money with threats to destroy their business. I'm hoping he nationalizes all industry and we all have to sing praises to Obama every morning under penalty of law.

I'm just saying, if you can't understand what's really happening; I pity you and Waynet for the grief you'll feel when it all finally smacks you in the face.

Guest 06-18-2010 07:49 AM

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Okay, djplong, here is what confuses me. You said, and I've heard many others say similar things about BP, "gross and willful negligence." When was their trial or the investigation that found these legal findings?

Emloyees who survived the disaster were testifying to things like not keeping the batteries on the BOP units (Blow-Out Preventers) charged. It would appear that is the reason the BOPs didn't work when the workers tried to activate them.

When you have BP being cited over 700 times for 'gross and willful' negligence in the operation of their platforms while companies with far more 'evil' reputations (like Exxon-Mobil) don't have more than 7. It means Exxon-Mobil could be 10 times worse than they are and still only have a tenth of the violations that BP does.

It would appear, from the information that is coming out (and that the press is pouncing on like starving lions) that BP had a house of cards and it's coming down. There appears to be a LOT of dirty laundry that is going to come out.

Guest 06-18-2010 08:08 AM

Have you ever heard of people being sworn in to testify in a court of law, under oath? The people who were killed and the survivors of the explosion were not BP employees. Do you realize that? There are many parties to any potential lawsuit or blame in this accident. There are many ongoing investigations. The blow out preventer is still at the bottom of the ocean and part of the investigation is to recover it and determine what went wrong. Do you see how the whole process is undermining the judicial system?

God forbid you or the federal contractor you work for is ever involved some sort of incident based on human error and you are prosecuted before you are given the opportunity to present facts or allowed to investigate what happened. How does that assist in any kind of learning process to make things safer? Notice I say safer, I don't say, so there will never be another accident. In the real world, nothing is perfect. Accidents happen. The best course is to understand how to do and make things as safe as possible. You know the saying, Learn from our mistakes. Let's make sure things are investigated first without knee jerk reactions to blame the person with the deepest pockets.

Guest 06-18-2010 08:12 AM

If the company is cited so many times by a federal agency that oversees these rigs, what role does that agency play in this? What were the outcomes of the citations? Have you researched that or are you just repeating what you read or heard on the "news?" I'm not saying they weren't cited. The process doesn't stop after the citation.

Guest 06-18-2010 09:34 AM

I just find it unbelievable that all the anti-oil people on this blog are so happy with our government as if it was doing anything remotely useful.

BP is struggling to shut this leak; the government seems to know crap on how to accomplish this, and it's action is to flog the people who have to accomplish this in a self-serving circus of chest-puffery.

In Louisiana where the people affected by this spill are working to protect hearth and home, the government reaction is to stop them. The Coast Guard has been mobilized against citizens until they are satisfied that the people protecting their property are up to code on life jackets and fire extinguishers and what-not; supposedly; while they, of course, do NOTHING!!

With all the oil shut off for who knows how long, and the push for Cap & Trade and the inevitable dramatic increase in the need for foreign oil, which will cause prices to astronomically skyrocket, will you then still be happy with all this posturing.

The dupes who fall for this freak show of a thugocracy are pitifully naive.

Guest 06-18-2010 05:50 PM

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I just find it unbelievable that all the anti-oil people on this blog are so happy with our government as if it was doing anything remotely useful.

BP is struggling to shut this leak; the government seems to know crap on how to accomplish this, and it's action is to flog the people who have to accomplish this in a self-serving circus of chest-puffery.

In Louisiana where the people affected by this spill are working to protect hearth and home, the government reaction is to stop them. The Coast Guard has been mobilized against citizens until they are satisfied that the people protecting their property are up to code on life jackets and fire extinguishers and what-not; supposedly; while they, of course, do NOTHING!!

With all the oil shut off for who knows how long, and the push for Cap & Trade and the inevitable dramatic increase in the need for foreign oil, which will cause prices to astronomically skyrocket, will you then still be happy with all this posturing.

The dupes who fall for this freak show of a thugocracy are pitifully naive.


How did we become anti oil people? There are a number of things I am anti but oil ain't one of them.

Corporations have to be made accountable....BP leased this rig and were the ones who made the decisions. So your idea is let this all play out in a court of law and when all the fun and games are over in 10 -15 years. Everyone will know who to sue and a new round of court actions will start. But what will become of the "small people". The fisherman will be long out of business and the lives ruined. Is that what you really want?

I sure as heck didn't like 43 but your abolute hatred of 44 goes far beyond anything I thought of.

Guest 06-18-2010 05:54 PM

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How did we become anti oil people? There are a number of things I am anti but oil ain't one of them.

Corporations have to be made accountable....BP leased this rig and were the ones who made the decisions. So your idea is let this all play out in a court of law and when all the fun and games are over in 10 -15 years. Everyone will know who to sue and a new round of court actions will start. But what will become of the "small people". The fisherman will be long out of business and the lives ruined. Is that what you really want?

I sure as heck didn't like 43 but your abolute hatred of 44 goes far beyond anything I thought of.

As far as 44 goes; I abhor all progressives.
If you like something I guess the rule of law can go out the window. I get it.

Guest 06-18-2010 06:31 PM

So Tony Hayward and BP are good citizens and are not culpable for the disaster and were so prompt and forthcoming in offsetting the very real, long-term financial losses that there was no need to step in and grab the bull by the horns and create a better, more efficient way to compensate the real victims of this mess?


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