Re: Marxism, Socialism, Communism and Obama
 

I think it is interesting how we place people to the right or the left. A few years ago, McCain was considered a moderate. If Harry Truman were a candidate today, I have no doubt that he would NOT be a democrat. In the past 60 years, values of both parties have changed. Both parties have moved to the left. So, whether Obama takes us on a crash collision with what is LEFT, or if it is a slower process through McCain, we are still moving toward the left. I know one thing for sure. If Obama wins November 4th, and if the democrats maintain control of the house and senate, that is a sure guarantee that the GOP will take control of Congress in 2010.

Winds of approval of any president blow both ways for both parties. I don't expect that whoever is elected President will have above a 30% approval rating after the first year in office. One thing is for sure, both candidates have their work cut out for them, whether they be in the Oval office, or back in the Senate.:undecided:

Sipedo, I think your observation is right on.

GMoney and Cassie, you are giving license to people to talk down to "da" plumbers and "da" carpenters. Obviously, at times there are wiser people than these individuals so let's give them degrading monikers, (and no one is correct 100% of the time). I suggest you vote your vote and drop the da plumber routine.

:faint:

Now, GMoney, you can't be pro-Obama and fainthearted, can you? Lol!:1rotfl:
We could bring in "da" doctor for you....

Doctor does sound alot more edumacated than Da-Plumber. :1rotfl:

GMoney: Doctor does sound alot more edumacated than Da-Plumber.
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I agree with you GMoney and in deference to your son and his hard working co-workers I will stick with "the" plumber. I'm sure he appreciates the respect!:agree:



Cabo, sorry for the hijack of your thought provoking thread:

Marxism, Socialism, Communism and Obama

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Marxism - In application, this principle means that the present organization of society must be destroyed (even through violent revolution, if necessary, because only through such destruction can a better political, economic, and social organization be achieved. To establish this new format of society, working men (the proletariat) must be organized and take up the struggle against the capitalists who defraud them. Thus the actors in this drama are the social classes -- the proletariat is arrayed against capitalism. This struggle, according to Marx and Engels, will end in victory for the proletariat, that is, in the triumph of universal Socialism.

http://www.radicalacademy.com/philmarx.htm

No links from this point on....just me thinking out loud.

It is surprising that so many educated people seem to deny Obama's ideology is based on moving America toward socialism and beyond. Some may argue we are already there. It doesn't matter what source you give attribution to, what link you post or google....every definition of Marxism, socialism and communism falls within the ideology expressed by Obama. Spreading the wealth, redistribution of wealth, class warfare that pits the middle and lower classes against capitalists (this is a new extension of the Proletariat as earlier failures were attributed to the non-inclusion of the middle class), and punishing capitalists through taxation are all part of the Marxist mantra. To be fair, he advocates a "soft" Marxism as opposed to William Ayers and other "friends" who believed it had to be accomplished by violence. Marx envisioned socialism and eventually communism as a worldwide political-economic system....just like Obama's friend George Soros. It gives new meaning to Obama's campaign excursions to Europe if you look at it from that perspective.

I said Obama advocates at this point in time, "soft" Marxism. My concerns are some overtones that suggest a more sinister agenda. The Fairness Doctrine whereby Democratic liberals want to silence conservative talk shows, flies directly in the face of freedom of speech. They have already tried once recently. The other day, I heard a Nevada democrat say they were going to resurrect it when Obama gets in and they have control of Congress. My God, isn't anyone else alarmed? It reeks of totalitarianism. It flies in the face of the First Amendment. Obama has already started to attack talk show hosts with Conservative views.

Obama's Global Poverty Act that would provide a tax on America to fight global poverty sounds good. Did you read the part where that bastion of honor and integrity, the United Nations is going to set the tax rate and control distribution. Universal Socialism? Score another round for Karl.

How about another Obama supported initiative? He is for open union elections. Union leaders say they just want the right to have open elections and anyone who wants to vote secretly would be afforded that opportunity. What a misrepresentation, as if unions were above intimidating and seeking retribution against those that opted to vote secretly. If you disagree, you don't know how unions work. Where is Jimmy Hoffa? This certainly would feed the Marxist tenet that working men need to be organized. It would also be beneficial in securing the vote for Marxists and help the proletariat rise against the capitalists.

It is one thing to acknowledge and admit that Obama is influenced by Marxist ideologies and he intends to bring them into the nation's highest office. It is quite another to deny what he is and support him as a stealth candidate. As Bucco has pointed out for a long time, his influences are a litany of radical leftists and communists. Why wouldn't Obama acknowledge that he is running on a socialist platform and is influenced by the principles of Marxism. If the United States is ready for that.....so be it. What part of Marxism doesn't Obama agree with in any of his policies?

It is not my intention to incite political passions with this post. I'm here because I enjoy the interaction and exchange of ideas. The therapeutic benefit is a bonus. I sincerely would like to hear the defense of Obama and hope I can learn something that will put my points into perspective and make me more at ease with his candidacy. I know I've used terms that are alarming but I believe they need to be discussed and not treated as a "do not enter" zone.

Wait...who's that knocking on my door?

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Last edited by cabo35; Today at 09:52 AM.

Wait...who's that knocking on my door?

Probably the school yard monitor! "play nice, no fighting"

:1rotfl: Son agrees with you, Daughter "Da-Beauticain" thinks differently.. Just joking..
Cabo it is a good thread...

Obama has the most liberal voting record in the Senate. I assume that means he is to the left of Bernie Sanders, an admitted socialist.

“The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment.”
Bertrand Russell quotes

Definitions of liberal on the Web:

broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant ...
having political or social views favoring reform and progress
tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
big: given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and openhanded grandfather"
free: not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem"
a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets

Seems To Me That We Have A Lot Less To Worry About...
 

...if Obama gets elected than if McCain is elected and continues the Bush programs, as he's said he would.

In case anyone missed it, large chunks of our economy have already been socialized, and it looks like there's more to come. That's been the result of and under the administration of a supposedly conservative, Republican President who had a Congress of his own party for six of the eight years of his administration.

There's a word that maybe we should be considering when we decide to vote for a President and surmising how they might perform. "Democrat" or "Republican" seem as if they are far less important than competent.

Seems to me the economy was doing well, unemployment was down, gas prices were down until two years ago when the Democrats took over. It's been down hill ever since.

trickle up poverty...
 

that will be the result of obama's plans for america....

I think you've been drinking that cool aid the conservative right has been passing off for water. You must have been a sleep for the past 8 years.

A Possible Result of Change
 

Perhaps those thinking about "change" are ready for the govt to take over the 401k's as was recently suggested "for safety". The proposed guaranteed rate of return would be 3%. Let's see, that would about 24 years to double your investment as opposed to about 7 years with a 10% ROR.

I think everyone in TV should "donate" 50% of their retirement nest egg to some nice folks who don't happen to have one for any reason you can name. 'Cause gee, after all, they have a "right" to a comfortable retirement too.

Come on folks!! Let's step up and vote for the "Change" we need.