Somebody pays the premium for your supplement and now you do say you have co-pays.
It takes awhile to get the whole story from you!
I paid Medicare deductions for 40 plus years and
they weren't just 1% You exaggerate a lot!

I am a different "guest", that you attacked earlier. Just Google medicare deductions. 1percent.

I visit that site often.

He has NOT even come close to offering a plan. He says Congress should come up with a plan.

He offers a few changes already in bill form in congress, which the way it looks he will cause the GOP to lose.

Don't get sucked up in platitudes.

This is not "The Apprentice"...

That is precisely why we need Trump, and to get rid of a lot of Democrats,
since America can no longer afford them.
And that means we can't afford them weakening our
nations economy and security!

If you indeed paid over 300K into Medicare you were either grossly over paid or you had a poor accountant. If you were a brain surgeon please disregard this post.

There is no more expensive way to do anything
 

As an ex-NewYorker I still recall when in N.Y. one of the most expensive areas in the US for electric power there was a movement to have government take over form con edison.
Kotch was the mayor at the time and he publicly said,If, you think it is expensive now you have no idea how expensive it will get if government takes it over.

Look at what our government has done with the money we were FORCED to trust them with. The money you paid in contrary to what you and I want to believe was spent to buy votes from the people before us.

As to has to be a crime. We've been told that China is oir largest creditor. Sadly, we are being fed ....... baloney and we will vote on MISINFORMATION. China is not our largest creditor nation Japan is. Even worse, together Japan and China hold just under 20% of our DOUBLED BY OBAMA national debt. Social Security holds 42% of the national debt.

CRIME of course it is.

You must be kidding. If course Congress will be involved, to actually read a plan unlike the last time.

Healthcare Reform | Donald J Trump for President

Re: Trillions in debt
 

We are being told over and over and over again that our national debt is 20 trillion dollars and that Obama added 10 trillion to that.

Stop a minute to THINK. Gerbils, Hitler's propaganda man said if you say something over and over again it becomes fact. The fact is that few of us can comprehend what TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS IS. Personally the largest sale I ever wrote was 2.5 million so I could claim, I'd be lying a bit, that I can comprehend that number. When we go into numbers like a billion and a trillion I simply can't claim to get my head around it YET WE THROW THOSE NUMBERS AROUND-LIKE THEY MAKE SENSE

I keep asking-WHAT DID OBAMA BUY WITH THAT MONEY
Roads-nope, Parks-nope, Dams-nope, art projects-nope.
Gee mr Obama I know you sent your wife to monico to buy a dress, I know your golf with security etc an't cheap but WHAT DID YOU BUY WITH TAXPAYER MONEY????

The real problem with medicare and social security
 

The real problem is GOVERNMENT. When, we were working they had excess money coming in. Rather then holding and investing that money, typical of government they used it to buy votes. Now we come along-surprise, government had all the numbers. Each day we would get older and eventually we would retire and expect what we paid for. We expect what the people before us got.

If, I recall, when social security was started there were 16 workers for every person collecting. Due to births after WWII and the fact that our people, at least our people WHO WORK AND PAY TAXES, has not grown at the same rate as people collecting. Today there are only 2.5 people working to pay the social security benefits we expect to collect.

I've posted the same thing several times. We are being fed misinformation and so we will vote on misinformation.
It sounds crazy-confirm it for yourself.
We have been told that China is our largest creditor. Fact is we owe slightly more to Japan then to China. FAR MORE IMPORTANT. Together Japan and China hold less than 20% of our national debt-SOCIAL SECURITY HOLDS 42% OF OUR NATIONAL DEBT. OBAMA OVERSPENT TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Stop to THINK do you understand what a TRILLION DOLLARS IS-I DON'T. You had no choice
OBAMA SPENT you money that you put into this ponzi scheme for 40+ years.

For the poster above. Long term stock market returns are 8%. I've paid into social security for 45 years. Rule of 72
at 8% the money I put in would double every 9 years.
I was self employed and so paid in 13% of my gross a few times, i reached the top where you then get money not taxed by social security. For me and I would expect for most people living in the villages PRIVATE INSURANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH BETTER AND LESS COSTLY ALTERNATIVE.

Excellent questions, and it tells me if you want to accomplish meaningful things
with your funds don't get the federal government involved.
Our federal government has a terrible track record
of doing things efficiently and economically!

[QUOTE=Guest;1274175]The real problem is GOVERNMENT. When, we were working they had excess money coming in. Rather then holding and investing that money, typical of government they used it to buy votes. Now we come along-surprise, government had all the numbers. Each day we would get older and eventually we would retire and expect what we paid for. We expect what the people before us got.

If, I recall, when social security was started there were 16 workers for every person collecting. Due to births after WWII and the fact that our people, at least our people WHO WORK AND PAY TAXES, has not grown at the same rate as people collecting. Today there are only 2.5 people working to pay the social security benefits we expect to collect.

I've posted the same thing several times. We are being fed misinformation and so we will vote on misinformation.
It sounds crazy-confirm it for yourself.
We have been told that China is our largest creditor. Fact is we owe slightly more to Japan then to China. FAR MORE IMPORTANT. Together Japan and China hold less than 20% of our national debt-SOCIAL SECURITY HOLDS 42% OF OUR NATIONAL DEBT. OBAMA OVERSPENT TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Stop to THINK do you understand what a TRILLION DOLLARS IS-I DON'T. You had no choice
OBAMA SPENT you money that you put into this ponzi scheme for 40+ years.

For the poster above. Long term stock market returns are 8%. I've paid into social security for 45 years. Rule of 72
at 8% the money I put in would double every 9 years.
I was self employed and so paid in 13% of my gross a few times, i reached the top where you then get money not taxed by social security. For me and I would expect for most people living in the villages PRIVATE INSURANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH BETTER AND LESS COSTLY ALTERNATIVE.[/QUOTE

Great question. I don't know the answer and neither does Obama

B.S.! You are going to sit there and tell me that you pay nothing for health insurance and get all that. B.S.! Maybe you do not realize that all those premiums are being deducted out of your Social Security, but Medicare A will not pay what you say it paid in itself.

Yes, it is true, I ALSO, have that coverage. Had 2 knee replacement, doctor, surgery,lab, everything covered. Did have small co pay for 2 days in hospital and co pay for physical therapy after 12 visits. $5 co pay for medication outpatient. I have no premium payment.

You have to be carrying a supplement besides Medicare,
and either you or someone is paying for it!
Who is paying for your supplement?
Who is paying for your part B medical?

I have Medicare and a supplement, but I pay a monthly premium for part B out of my monthly social security, and I also pay a premium for my supplement! So it is hard to believe that you pay no premiums at all.

Yes, I pay monthly social security for Medicare plus I have a supplement with no premium. Tufts Medicare Preferred Plan.

Then you do pay premiums in addition to your co-pays.
Can you go to any specialist you want?

self employed pay both halves---2.9% with no ceiling on income. So anyone who earned around 300K/year paid $8700/year, x 35 years is just over 300K. My brother was a partner in the largest business of its kind, and in his last year earned about 4 million, = 116K in Medicare tax alone. So much for " a pittance"

Tufts Medicare preferred is an advantage plan/HMO, not a supplement--which is why you pay no premium. Google it.

Whatever, I still get great coverage for zero premium. I don't miss the small social security deduction.

You leave out that the part B deduction is really a premium, and you minimize the co-pays you pay for each office visit, plus it is an HMO.

Actually a problem with no solution
 

When people do not pay, they do not recognize the cost.
Most every tax in the US is a progressive tax. We just went on medicare. Having worked hard and earned good money, we pay almost twice as much for medicare as the minimum and unlike people who pay less we do not have inflation-rising cost protection.

RE: Obamacare
Our medical care system has been a mess for a very long time. If, you PAY FOR insurance, as we did pre being qualified for medicare medicare your insurance company gets a far lower bill then you would if you CHOSE to self insure-pay your own bills. Personal experience 5 days in the villages hospital was billed 50,000 my insurance paid 30,000 and that covered the bill in full that is a 40% difference.

We read that young healthy people object to being forced to pay for obamacare. Sadly you do need to FORCE people to be responsible.
A too common occurrence. A young healthy person is hit by a car do they scream HELP or do they scream I decided not to have any insurance so just take me to the DUMP.
Nothing is free. Someone must pay to keep that hospital open to pay for all that equipment, to pay the staff AND TO PAY FOR MALPRACTICE INSURANCE.

RE: paying healthcare for illegal aliens.
That bugs me as well BUT, when you eat out perhaps the illegal working there has tuberculosis or????? Both polio and tuberculosis were virtually non existent in the United states. We have been invaded with zangi feaver, zika virus and perhaps even aids. If we choose to deny care these and other diseases will be spread by people with no medical care.

A nice liberal thought
 

AFFORD IS A CHOICE FOR ALL. I've been poor. If, you have only .............. coming in you need to choose how you will spend WHAT YOU EARN. Perhaps, you need to use public transportation rather then buy a car. If a car is necessary, you may need to purchase a cheap car. You may need to find a place where rent is lower. Perhaps you could live and exchange lawn services for part of the rent. You may find you cannot afford cable TV, air conditioning etc etc.
I've always paid my bills. I never thought someone else should pay my bills.
CLEARLY, YOU WILL VOTE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC AND I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN. .

I have always lived within my means,
and believed I should pay my own way,
so I will vote Republican to!

My experience
 

When, Bill Clinton was running for office my father voted for him because of the PROMISE of taking care of medical care. My dad was no fool. He was well read and well educated. He was a bit taken back when I said you will not get it because the CLINTONS never mentioned how they were going to pay for it.
I had a friend and a customer with family in Germany that even at that time had national healthcare> I asked him how it works. We start out with the concept of equal care for everyone. So that is mediocre care for everyone-it has to be so. He informed me that people who can do so in germany pay for private healthcare and thus get better care than the state provides. We, Obama never allowed that option in obamacare.
I've read that attorneys add 30-40% to the cost of medical care in the United States. Obama a legal professor married to an attorney never addressed capping the cost of some of these law cases.

You mention that you have private insurance so paying for medicare was a waste for you. I assume that you are not old enough to register for medicare or your plan has not copay or???? What you have said does not seem to make sense. You apparently got healthcare as an employment benefit. Just to tell you, I was self employed we paid 14,000 a year for healthcare insurance. THINK ABOUT IT AND APPRECIATE IT. You received roughly 14,000 a year TAX FREE.
THROUGHOUT HISTORY-IT HAS BEEN THE SAME AS FAR AS TAXES GO. Everyone wants and no one wants to pay.
With, as you stated private health care provided free as oart of your employment YOU likely worked in GOVERNMENT. If, I am correct-then taxes I paid not only paid for your healthcare but your income as well. Again, to remind you-everyone wants and no one wants to pay.

The posts on this thread all have some amount of truth in them but what is missing is the real root cause of problem. It is not Obamacare or Medicare, it is what we have allowed to happen to healthcare costs. In most cases it was because someone else was paying, either employer or government. A so called middle class family would have their yearly budget destroyed if they had to pay for a child's broken arm out of pocket. We have to do one or more of the following; take the obscene profit out of healthcare, ration care to those without means (as many on this forum promote), limit end of life care paid for by government, or cut back on military and non health entitlements to continue on course we are on now. IMO

Yes! Healthcare should be there for ALL people in the USA. Do you want to have illegal immigrants with communicable diseases walking among you?

If someone cannot afford healthcare, it should be provided free!

Denmark is considered the "happiest country" and they have cradle to grave healthcare - which they all like! They have free education through college, they have very low unemployment, they pay high taxes but they get great benefits.

The USA needs to emulate such a society!

Thank you.
Bobby D.

1) By the time the "illegal aliens" with communicable disease are identified and treated, "for free (lol)", they have already spread their disease

2) Once again, I'd like to meet one liberal, just one, who actually understands that nothing is free. Redistribution is much different from free. Must all liberals be reminded of Greece. Never mind, they'll never understand.

3) Denmark has like 3 million people, we have 320 million. Some things cannot be "upsized". The main reason the Danish are "happy" is that they constantly have a blood alcohol level of 0.17

4) If YOU want to "emulate such a society", go away and emulate all you want. Leave my great country alone!!!!!

If you are on Medicare, you are paying for those services even though you don't know it. Medicare B is taken out of your Social Security, so YES you are paying for it.

Like I said, Medicare A, which you paid all your working life gives you hardly more than hospitalization. No doctor visits and no prescriptions.

Denmark ranks higher than the US in business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, property freedom and freedom from corruption.

If Denmark were one of the US states, it would rank tenth among the poorest states for per capita GDP.

Average yearly income: 23,213 US Dollars OECD Better Life Index

Every single Scandinavian country ranks higher than the United States in suicide ratesDenmark: 11th in the world
United States: 18th in the world

Denmark has finally passed a law banning bestiality. The previous law only stipulated a ban on intercourse which harmed the animals.


I'm sure you must have meant another country that we should emulate, definitely NOT Demark.

Sorry, but I think I will stick with Good OLD AMERICA.

Well, friend, you really should start doing your own research instead of relying on previous jibber jabber from others.

First, the economic information regarding Denmark is wrong. The median family income in the USA is $54,629. In Denmark, it is $42,916. That would fall between 38 and 39 in the USA. Florida is at number 42.

Suicide rate according to the World Health Organization has Guyana at the highest suicide rate in the world at number 1. The USA is number 50 while Denmark is number 81 (a lot lower than the USA).

Finally, beastialty! It is now outlawed in Denmark as you stated. However, it is LEGAL in ELEVEN of the United States of America. (No joke although it would be too easy).

I also love the USA like you do but just want to point out there are some things done better in other countries that should be accomplished here.

Thank you.
Bobby D.

It's a "happy" country because it's NOT full of non-whites...yet. Over 90% of the population is WHITE. THAT is what makes it a great place to live.

And MEDICAID pays for everything. Blacks get medicaid, white people, again, have to pay...

In "civilized" places you don't NEED a law for EVERYTHING. The people self-govern and you don't have the problems the less civilized need so you don't need all the laws.

The "good" places to live are ALWAYS WHITE and the sh!tholes are ALWAYS BLACK/BROWN.

WHY would any sane person want MORE blacks/browns knowing the trouble they cause?

You lie when you fight for diversity. EVERYTHING I say is true. THEY are the MAJORITY below the age of 6, their majority grows every year. Go to "their part of town" and look around. That will be EVERY part of town in 30 years. Is that what YOU want? It's what you're getting. It's a mathematical certainty.

I will shout out AGAINST diversity until the last white person turns off the lights and the country is a 3rd world shell of its former glory.

EVERYWHERE "their" numbers increases goes down the tubes...EVERYWHERE. I've been calling for the "black paradise", you know, 99% black and fun and safe like the villages...haven't had ONE reply yet. I'm trying to SAVE you from your own foolishness. STOP diversity NOW or your country is lost.

I am a racist because we are VERY different...too different to ever "live together peacefully". WHERE do we all live together in peace? I'll ask that question too. Where is the 99% place that is open and friendly to others? Where is the 99% black place that I could go and NOT feel threatened? You need to expect them to act as you expect me to act. Or it's just ANOTHER case of having to lower the standards for them.

We're not equal and the sooner we admit it, the sooner we can really fix things. It's time to stop "everyone gets a trophy" and back to only the best will do.

I am not the OP however YOU have more than worn-out your " Act " on this forum .

By the way have you ever spent any time with grown ups who are citizens of Denmark .
Well educated adults are not so happy paying oppressive tax rates . My neighbors up North were a husband and wife both high level surgeons who left Denmark .
It took them years to immigrate as they did it legally. They came here to escape the taxes which only discourage professionals from working .

NOW CALL ME A LIAR , A WUSS , ETC ETC BECAUSE THAT IS ALL YOU ARE CAPABLE OF .

Did I miss something? Since when did you become the forum moderator?

Typical Bossy Anti-Free Speech Leftie .

It is truly simple
 

First almost all taxes in th US are progressive-the more you make the more you pay. It is not like if you earn $1000 the tax is 5% so you pay $50. If, you earn twice as much and the tax is now 8% you pay $2000 x.08= $160-MORE THAN THREE TIMES AS MUCH.
RE: social security
I was self employed. Few people realize OR CARE, that your employer pays as much for your social security as you do-it is TAX FREE INCOME paid to you. Social security runs 7% UNLESS YOU ARE SELF EMPLOYED-I paid 13%.
I just went on medicare. I pay TWICE the minimum for the same coverage AND I DO NOT GET THE INFLATION PROTECTION.
We all want no one wants to pay.
FAIR TAX? A fair tax is any tax where you pay less then others.
BASIC ECONOMICS-if you tax anything you will have less of it. If, you subsidize anything you will have more of it.
We, tax income, we are one of only two or three countries that tax interest on savings and we subsidize people who do not work. See where it has gotten us?

I agree with you 100% and admire your courage to speak out .

On the other hand I have met and worked with many well educated Blacks and Hispanics who would never condone or embrace the popular thug culture.

Such a culture of hopelessness which is so prevalent in urban communities and celebrated by our entertainment , sports and news industries is as abhorrent to them as it is to us .