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autumnspring 01-27-2017 05:10 PM

Nothing is as simple as your post
 
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A man walks into a bar in The Villages.
"Bartender, I'll have a Corona," he says and flips a 5 dollar bill on the bar.
Bartender says, "The price has gone up from $5.00 to $6.00 to cover Trump's Mexican import tax."
Man puts another dollar on the bar and drinks his beer.

Remind me who's going to pay for that wall.

When, bought by the keg a beer costs about twenty five cents.
If, you bar is charging you $5.00 he might decide to eat the extra TARIFF cost. Or, you might decide to switch to a domestic brand.

I own a Chevy Malibu. While it is listed as a domestic car, what is more domestic than a Chevy? The car is only 60% made in the US. The transmission is made in Mexico.

We hear the threat of trade wars and we might see some.
I'm sure Mexico is exploring how they could retaliate. Stop selling us oil? Their shipping cost will go up dramatically. We would increase domestic production and perhaps buy more from Canada.

As TRUMP has clearly said he will negotiate deals that are GOOD FOR THE USA. If, you are worried about good for Mexico why do you live here?????

Rockyrd 01-27-2017 05:19 PM

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Ooo, don't make Mexicans mad at us, or we may have to pay more for crap. Ooo, don't make the terrorists mad at us or they might attack us at home. OOo, don't make China mad at us or they might not loan us any more bail out money.

Well, we hold ALL the cards and it is about time that the rest of the world is made aware of that fact. If you can't afford the product, then you shouldn't be buying it. Time for liberals to realize that not everyone deserves to have what others have. If they don't work for it, or motivated enough to reach out for it, they don't deserve it. It is not in the Constitution that everyone gets a plush lifestyle. Americans too coddled and do not know what it is like to have nothing and have no food stamps and welfare available for them. They are spoiled and weak. Instead of taking three jobs to support their family, they leave their family. Instead of taking a low level job until they can do better, they demand that the gov give them a middle class lifestyle. My oh my, you won't be able to get your cheap @ss Mexican watered down pi$$ beer. Too bad. If you want to pay more for crap, then make more money. American beer is better anyway. If you want cheap, then take a trip to Mexico and enjoy their nasty culture along the border. Or, go to Mexico city and be kidnapped and taken to an ATM and robbed. Of course, you can always get the same environment by driving down to Miami. Just don't stop at the lights.

We pay for our National Security. Don't turn around and leave the door to your home open if you just had an alarm system installed.

Why should I worry about a low income person being able to afford an increased price of a Mexican beer or avocado? Live within your income and tell the gov to do the same thing.

Sorry....a bit curious..

On what premise should a sovereign country pay for a wall we want to build on US land ?

Why should they pay ?

Never understood that.

autumnspring 01-27-2017 05:23 PM

Re: Unemployment rate
 
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Well oresented. Was thinking of this earlier.

I honestly wish our new President succes, but find it a bit wacky as he embraces Russia, wants to lift sanctions on them, while fighting with Mexico who has not even said a bad word about us.

And lastly, listening to his talk in Philly where he speaks of using American processed steel for the pipeline, I wondered how much that will increase the cost.

By the way, on Fox, while he spoke, the scroll across the bottom said that our unemployment is so low that it has reached the number where economists call it no unemployment.

Same scroll said statistics show that illegal immigration has descended each year for the last few and is now at an almost all time low, although I might dispute that without more research because just prior to the election, seems there was a surge.

Again, taxes, trade, health care etc all need work, but just ignoring the blather and looking at facts, I am wondering a lot, especially about debt. Great to hear Ryan, at least mention the debt.

But you nailed who will pay for that wall, which if you read the wording could be a big fence instead.

How Low Can the Unemployment Rate Go? - WSJ

"One key question for the U.S. labor market this year: How low can the unemployment rate actually go?"

In history, several times the US has found hidden labor.
In WWII we had Rossie the Riveter-at a time when far fewer women worked, compared to today and a woman who understood how a car works let a lone knew how to repair one was an eccentric, they had women making airplanes, ships, ammo, bombs etc. Today, with a disproportionate part of the population retired, they could find new labor by eliminating the oppressive penalty for earning good money while collecting social security. They could also adjust welfare benefits lower, forcing, if you prefer, encouraging people to get off the dole.

autumnspring 01-27-2017 05:40 PM

In reply-why should they pay
 
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Sorry....a bit curious..

On what premise should a sovereign country pay for a wall we want to build on US land ?

Why should they pay ?

Never understood that.

Of course Mexico does not WANT to pay for the wall.
You after tooooooo many progressive, LIBERAL years do not understand. Trump has said YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PAY FOR THE WALL. kUMBAYAH-clearly does not work. ASIDE_do the campfire girls even still exist???

Of course, some people will be hurt on both sides. Our EXPENSE of medical care, education, crime will go down or at least not grow. We have been told that unemployment of black youths is over 50%. If, there were jobs, IF THEY WERE FORCED TO WORK by cuts of welfare and lack of accepting the crime, they would discover if not pride the necessity of working for what you need and working for what you want.

Rockyrd 01-27-2017 05:48 PM

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Of course Mexico does not WANT to pay for the wall.
You after tooooooo many progressive, LIBERAL years do not understand. Trump has said YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PAY FOR THE WALL. kUMBAYAH-clearly does not work. ASIDE_do the campfire girls even still exist???

Of course, some people will be hurt on both sides. Our EXPENSE of medical care, education, crime will go down or at least not grow. We have been told that unemployment of black youths is over 50%. If, there were jobs, IF THEY WERE FORCED TO WORK by cuts of welfare and lack of accepting the crime, they would discover if not pride the necessity of working for what you need and working for what you want.

My question is...

ON WHAT AUTHORITY CAN OUR PRESIDENT DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY PAY FOR ANYTHING BUILT ON US LAND ?

dirtbanker 01-27-2017 05:56 PM

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My question is...

ON WHAT AUTHORITY CAN OUR PRESIDENT DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY PAY FOR ANYTHING BUILT ON US LAND ?

He can place a tariff on items coming from Mexico. If they don't want to pay the tariff, they can keep the product. If they pass the cost of the tariff to the customer, they are inviting more competition.

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Rockyrd 01-27-2017 05:58 PM

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He can place a tariff on items coming from Mexico. If they don't want to pay the tariff, they can keep the product. If they pass the cost of the tariff to the customer, they are inviting more competition.

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Again my question......

WHAT RIGHT DOES THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY HAVE TO DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTY PAY FOR ANYTHING IN THE USA ?

Fredster 01-27-2017 06:11 PM

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Again my question......

WHAT RIGHT DOES THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY HAVE TO DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTY PAY FOR ANYTHING IN THE USA ?

Seems like a fair request, since we have been paying for years,
healthcare, education, social service costs of
Mexican citizens who have entered our country,
and reside here illegally!
They are Mexican citizens, and I hope we are still a Sovereign country!

MDLNB 01-27-2017 06:31 PM

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Again my question......

WHAT RIGHT DOES THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY HAVE TO DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTY PAY FOR ANYTHING IN THE USA ?

Where does it say that he can't? Get over yourself.

They owe us Trillions for the cost of their invasion and occupying our country. Trump is only demanding that they pay back a few billion to pay for a way to keep their @sses out. Sneak into their country and see what happens when you get caught.

He can charge them a fee at the border and they WILL pay for the wall. Too bad that they didn't patrol their borders better.

THey are taking American jobs
They are jumping the line of proper immigration applicants
They are bringing diseases into our country.
They are smuggling drugs into our country.
They are committing crimes in our country
They are costing America billions every year.
They are bumping Americans out of college seats
They are stealing identities
Many of them are not paying taxes
They are causing Americans that hire them to commit crimes by hiring illegals.

Time to clean up the border and protect our fellow Americans.

dirtbanker 01-27-2017 06:32 PM

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Again my question......

WHAT RIGHT DOES THE PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY HAVE TO DEMAND A SOVEREIGN COUNTY PAY FOR ANYTHING IN THE USA ?

Evidently you are not getting the response you were looking for. Why don't you explain why he can't place a tariff on Mexico products to cover the cost of the wall...



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Cedwards38 01-27-2017 07:19 PM

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When, bought by the keg a beer costs about twenty five cents.
If, you bar is charging you $5.00 he might decide to eat the extra TARIFF cost. Or, you might decide to switch to a domestic brand.

I own a Chevy Malibu. While it is listed as a domestic car, what is more domestic than a Chevy? The car is only 60% made in the US. The transmission is made in Mexico.

We hear the threat of trade wars and we might see some.
I'm sure Mexico is exploring how they could retaliate. Stop selling us oil? Their shipping cost will go up dramatically. We would increase domestic production and perhaps buy more from Canada.

As TRUMP has clearly said he will negotiate deals that are GOOD FOR THE USA. If, you are worried about good for Mexico why do you live here?????

I live here because the USA is my country just as much as yours and has been for all my life. Disagreeing with a conservative position does not mean that one is not patriotic or doesn't love America. On the contrary, I think America can be a better place just as you did during the Obama administration. Sorry neighbor, but "love it or leave it" is just a lame and meaningless argument. Don't forget that the majority of Americans voted for someone other than Trump, and much to your frustration, we aren't going away.

Secondly, in response to your last question (with five question marks) I've reread my post several times and I don't see any reference or verbiage that suggests that I am worried about what is good for Mexico. The post is about how the Trump Wall will be funded, and we all know that the American taxpayer and the American consumer will pay.

Rockyrd 01-27-2017 07:29 PM

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I live here because the USA is my country just as much as yours and has been for all my life. Disagreeing with a conservative position does not mean that one is not patriotic or love America. On the contrary, I think America can be a better place just as you did during the Obama administration. Sorry neighbor, but "love it or leave it" is just a lame and meaningless argument. Don't forget that the majority of Americans voted for someone other than Trump, and much to your frustration, we aren't going away.

Secondly, I've reread my post several times and I don't see any reference or verbiage that suggests that I am worried about what is good for Mexico. The post is about how the Trump Wall will be funded, and we all know that the American taxpayer and the American consumer will pay.

Just a note to support you on this.

These folks, should you in anyway question Mr Trump, will come at you, SANS FACTS, but with great vigor

Your OPINION must be shared by Trump, and be prepared...you are evidently, a libtard, Obama or Clinton lover, black or whatever the attack mode if the day is.

I support you because discussion should be welcomed on here. You will be lectured and ridiculed believe me...been there.

dirtbanker 01-27-2017 07:59 PM

Cedwierds38 - You suspecting is not the same as you knowing.

We had no wall and supported the lazy the last 8 years...Trump wants the wall and Trump does not want to support the lazy for the next 8 years.

That sounds fine to me and if we paid for the wall...that is cheaper that supporting the lazy.
Maybe the wackadoodles can lay the brick to pay us back for all the money we have given them over the last 8 years.

I hope you old Obamma fans can handle change, because that is going to happen, weather you whine on here or not.

Don Baldwin 01-27-2017 08:09 PM

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:1rotfl:

You must have misread. I wasn't talking about Miller Lite. And apparently Americans like Corona pretty well. It's the #5 top selling beer in the country.

The 20 Most Popular Beers Indicate That, Deep Down, Americans Are Frat Boys | The Huffington Post

Just because it's "popular", doesn't mean it's any good. Look at the sh!t on TV, it's popular...but it's also garbage. Popularity is more marketing than anything else.


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Dear Guest:

Actually the more revealing number is the % of people participating in the job market vis a vis unemployed. Last I recall it was about 62% or so.

However, you are correct in pointing out that the quantitative amount be it 5.5% or 62% is only one measure. Experts also have to review the qualitative aspect and that relates to the under-employed either because they are part time or because their work skills are not being used. The unspoken tragedy is that many professionals and trade skilled workers are out of their market so long that they are never re-employable to these positions

personal Best Regards:

The bigger tragedy is all the minorities who were convinced to go to school, get a degree, and you'll get a job. Sorry...100,000 graduates and only 25,000 jobs means y'all wasted your (our) money. You're not getting hired, except by quota.

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In history, several times the US has found hidden labor.
In WWII we had Rossie the Riveter-at a time when far fewer women worked, compared to today and a woman who understood how a car works let a lone knew how to repair one was an eccentric, they had women making airplanes, ships, ammo, bombs etc. Today, with a disproportionate part of the population retired, they could find new labor by eliminating the oppressive penalty for earning good money while collecting social security. They could also adjust welfare benefits lower, forcing, if you prefer, encouraging people to get off the dole.

Rosie the riveter is mostly propaganda. MEN supervised EVERYTHING, the women did the more unskilled work. It didn't say...Rosie the engineer or Rosie the rigger...it was riveter...ANYONE can rivet with 5 minutes training. Don't believe the propaganda.

Get rid of the Mexicans AND their anchor babies, get the welfare blacks (half the black population) off welfare and into those vacated jobs.

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I live here because the USA is my country just as much as yours and has been for all my life. Disagreeing with a conservative position does not mean that one is not patriotic or love America. On the contrary, I think America can be a better place just as you did during the Obama administration. Sorry neighbor, but "love it or leave it" is just a lame and meaningless argument. Don't forget that the majority of Americans voted for someone other than Trump, and much to your frustration, we aren't going away.

Secondly, in response to your last question (with five question marks) I've reread my post several times and I don't see any reference or verbiage that suggests that I am worried about what is good for Mexico. The post is about how the Trump Wall will be funded, and we all know that the American taxpayer and the American consumer will pay.

They'll just "borrow" the money...it's what they do.

dirtbanker 01-27-2017 08:20 PM

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:1rotfl:

You must have misread. I wasn't talking about Miller Lite. And apparently Americans like Corona pretty well. It's the #5 top selling beer in the country.

You must have forgotten your racist claim earlier? Maybe it is all those undocumented workers that do not speak good English drinking that watered down pi$$??

dirtbanker 01-28-2017 09:02 AM

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LOL :1rotfl:

You would have to be an idiot, not to know that since a large % of the people working on the common areas around here can't even speak English...that a significant number must be 'undocumented.' :oops:

You would have to be an even bigger idiot...not to know that The Developer knows this.

As I said, they should be prosecuted for breaking the law.

And your pathetic attempt to make excuses for the Morse's because they 'subcontract'... simply exhibits your continuing flaming hypocrisy. ;)

I personally have no problem with my amenities fee doubling by hiring Americans...but not everyone who is so outspoken against immigration shares my position.

SOOOO, they are 'flaming hypocrites' also.' :thumbup:

You're welcome. :wave:

Thanks for that! :wave:


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