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Guest 03-26-2016 03:59 PM

Google is your friend.

That's not an apology? Admitting that you are wrong?

I don't think admitting partial guilt means that you apologized.

In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

I'm going to stop here because we will never agree. America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive. Unless he ends the statement by saying we apologize than an apology has not been given.

I'll respect you and the idea that you think it is implied.

Guest 03-26-2016 04:08 PM

This is from Wikipedia

"Mistakes were made"
The expression "mistakes were made" is commonly used as a rhetorical device, whereby a speaker acknowledges that a situation was handled poorly or inappropriately but seeks to evade any direct admission or accusation of responsibility by using the passive voice. The acknowledgement of "mistakes" is framed in an abstract sense with no direct reference to who made the mistakes. An active voice construction would be along the lines of "I made mistakes" or "John Doe made mistakes." The speaker neither accepts personal responsibility nor accuses anyone else. The word "mistakes" also does not imply intent.
The New York Times has called the phrase a "classic Washington linguistic construct." Political consultant William Schneider suggested that this usage be referred to as the "past exonerative" tense,[7] and commentator William Safire has defined the phrase as "[a] passive-evasive way of acknowledging error while distancing the speaker from responsibility for it".[8] A commentator at NPR declared this expression to be "the king of non-apologies".[9] While perhaps most famous in politics, the phrase has also been used in business, sports, and entertainment.


I see it as a diplomatic way of saving face and building bridges not walls as the Pope has asked us to do. I'm hopeful.

Guest 03-26-2016 04:17 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1204409)
Google is your friend.

That's not an apology? Admitting that you are wrong?

I don't think admitting partial guilt means that you apologized.

In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

I'm going to stop here because we will never agree. America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive. Unless he ends the statement by saying we apologize than an apology has not been given.

I'll respect you and the idea that you think it is implied.

What follows is the definition [Wikipedia- another friend] of a non-apology. There different types of non-apologies including a"mistakes were made" type of non-apology.

Guest 03-27-2016 07:09 AM

He apologized by telling everyone that we were wrong. He can speak for himself, but not for America. He is a scumbag and even the scumbag Hillary wouldn't go around acting like a weak wimp like that poor excuse for a leader. Leading from behind! Nothing but a weakling. If you don't thing he was apologizing, then you are the only one in America that thinks that way.

Guest 03-27-2016 07:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1204569)
He apologized by telling everyone that we were wrong. He can speak for himself, but not for America. He is a scumbag and even the scumbag Hillary wouldn't go around acting like a weak wimp like that poor excuse for a leader. Leading from behind! Nothing but a weakling. If you don't thing he was apologizing, then you are the only one in America that thinks that way.

And that is who he speaks for 98.79584% of the time!!

He and his wife are black activists in fantasy land.

Guest 03-27-2016 09:42 AM

Have you ever seen his approval rating on a daily basis?
Obama Approval Index History - Rasmussen Reports™

How can you say without any evidence or proof that Obama only speaks for himself? You can say you are wrong and it will not be apology. Or would it?

Guest 03-27-2016 09:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1204658)
Have you ever seen his approval rating on a daily basis?
Obama Approval Index History - Rasmussen Reports™

How can you say without any evidence or proof that Obama only speaks for himself? You can say you are wrong and it will not be apology. Or would it?

Over the years it is abundantly clear just by observing and listening to when and how he uses the words I, me or mine in his speeches. When there is credit to be taken or a bow (earned or not does not matter) he never takes the high ground and refers to America or the USA or the miltary....it is ALWAYS.....I have taken....I have done.....I have asked.....I gave the order.....

He has no understanding what so ever that he would get credit for the successes of America or USA or the military without having to interject himself into the accolade. A true leader knows and speaks accordingly. And a wanna be community organizer only knows self promotion.....you know a POLITICIAN.

Guest 03-27-2016 06:24 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1204663)
Over the years it is abundantly clear just by observing and listening to when and how he uses the words I, me or mine in his speeches. When there is credit to be taken or a bow (earned or not does not matter) he never takes the high ground and refers to America or the USA or the miltary....it is ALWAYS.....I have taken....I have done.....I have asked.....I gave the order.....

He has no understanding what so ever that he would get credit for the successes of America or USA or the military without having to interject himself into the accolade. A true leader knows and speaks accordingly. And a wanna be community organizer only knows self promotion.....you know a POLITICIAN.

What?

Guest 03-28-2016 03:31 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1204663)
Over the years it is abundantly clear just by observing and listening to when and how he uses the words I, me or mine in his speeches. When there is credit to be taken or a bow (earned or not does not matter) he never takes the high ground and refers to America or the USA or the miltary....it is ALWAYS.....I have taken....I have done.....I have asked.....I gave the order.....

He has no understanding what so ever that he would get credit for the successes of America or USA or the military without having to interject himself into the accolade. A true leader knows and speaks accordingly. And a wanna be community organizer only knows self promotion.....you know a POLITICIAN.

Obama has never had any type of leadership training, so he can't be expected to know how to lead. Some folks are natural leaders, but he is not one of them. He still doesn't understand that his "leading from behind" is not considered anything more than FOLLOWING. Obama has been groomed and led his whole life, so other than being a wannabe comedian, he is a total flop.

You are correct to say that it is obvious that he has no clue when he uses the I, me, my for everything that occurs. Most leaders will say We did this, or Our. They make it evident that it was a team effort, not a sole individual that accomplished something. He is no leader. And he barely fills the Manager role.

Guest 03-28-2016 08:49 AM

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Obama has never had any type of leadership training, so he can't be expected to know how to lead. Some folks are natural leaders, but he is not one of them. He still doesn't understand that his "leading from behind" is not considered anything more than FOLLOWING. Obama has been groomed and led his whole life, so other than being a wannabe comedian, he is a total flop.

You are correct to say that it is obvious that he has no clue when he uses the I, me, my for everything that occurs. Most leaders will say We did this, or Our. They make it evident that it was a team effort, not a sole individual that accomplished something. He is no leader. And he barely fills the Manager role.

There is general theme on this board. It is make statements like Obama never uses the word "we", and always I me, but never back them up with actual video to support your comments.

In his last state of the Union address, he gave the items that he wanted to work on in his last year of presidency. I will work with Congress to get them done. He didn't say that he was going to do them by himself. "work with".

Guest 03-28-2016 09:00 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1205097)
There is general theme on this board. It is make statements like Obama never uses the word "we", and always I me, but never back them up with actual video to support your comments.

In his last state of the Union address, he gave the items that he wanted to work on in his last year of presidency. I will work with Congress to get them done. He didn't say that he was going to do them by himself. "work with".

People are angry and frustrated so they say things they wouldn't say to their grandchildren. Who would want depressed grandchildren with no hope?

Guest 03-28-2016 09:45 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1205097)
There is general theme on this board. It is make statements like Obama never uses the word "we", and always I me, but never back them up with actual video to support your comments.

In his last state of the Union address, he gave the items that he wanted to work on in his last year of presidency. I will work with Congress to get them done. He didn't say that he was going to do them by himself. "work with".

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

That is hanging out there in the past along with hope, change and transparency;

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Guest 03-28-2016 09:56 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1205097)
There is general theme on this board. It is make statements like Obama never uses the word "we", and always I me, but never back them up with actual video to support your comments.

In his last state of the Union address, he gave the items that he wanted to work on in his last year of presidency. I will work with Congress to get them done. He didn't say that he was going to do them by himself. "work with".

Apparently, you haven't had a TV or Internet in the past seven years, or you wouldn't make such ludicrous statements. EVERY speech he has made in the past has been I, ME, MY... Where have you been? Even over seas, I heard his hubris in his constant taking credit for everything except the weather. He NEVER says we or us in his speeches, except when he says such things as "we need" to do this or that, meaning us and not him. And when he is apologizing, it is always "we" not him. Like he is apologizing for America, but he didn't have anything to do with whatever it is that he thinks we did.

Guest 03-28-2016 10:08 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1205162)
Apparently, you haven't had a TV or Internet in the past seven years, or you wouldn't make such ludicrous statements. EVERY speech he has made in the past has been I, ME, MY... Where have you been? Even over seas, I heard his hubris in his constant taking credit for everything except the weather. He NEVER says we or us in his speeches, except when he says such things as "we need" to do this or that, meaning us and not him. And when he is apologizing, it is always "we" not him. Like he is apologizing for America, but he didn't have anything to do with whatever it is that he thinks we did.

Obama succinctly defined!

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Guest 03-28-2016 10:12 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1205162)
Apparently, you haven't had a TV or Internet in the past seven years, or you wouldn't make such ludicrous statements. EVERY speech he has made in the past has been I, ME, MY... Where have you been? Even over seas, I heard his hubris in his constant taking credit for everything except the weather. He NEVER says we or us in his speeches, except when he says such things as "we need" to do this or that, meaning us and not him. And when he is apologizing, it is always "we" not him. Like he is apologizing for America, but he didn't have anything to do with whatever it is that he thinks we did.

President Obama has a 53 percent approval rating. That is way higher than Crapweasel Bush had at the same time in office.

Congress has a 14 percent approval rating.

It is very easy to see that President Obama is far more popular than Congress - oh yes, a Republican controlled Congress.

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