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MDLNB 11-14-2016 09:44 AM

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You seem to forget the many Muslim men and women who are in our armed forces and our police and especially those who are our allies taking on ISIS.

Perhaps. And perhaps many of them still believe in Sharia law. There are many flavors of the Muslim religion and they all do not always get along. I have a very close friend from the military that is Muslim as well as a granddaughter that is married to a Muslim. They still believe in the Koran and they still treat women as lesser beings. Of course, if women wish to subject themselves to their ways, it is up to them.

This country has always been a majority of citizens that have been of Christian religions. I doubt if we will be able to call us America if we allow that to change. After all, if you read all the old documentation from the founders, you will find that they are all based on the foundation of Christian beliefs, even if not regulated by a strict Christian rule. Yes, we have freedom OF religion, but I doubt that founders ever envisioned a time where a radical religion would become so prominent in American lives.

If the Democrats wish to be represented by a Muslim, then that is their prerogative. What's worst, being led by a Muslim or being led by a Communist? Either way, I guess we will find out how corrupted the millennials have become in their radical thinking in the future elections.

Don Baldwin 11-14-2016 12:43 PM

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You seem to forget the many Muslim men and women who are in our armed forces and our police and especially those who are our allies taking on ISIS.

Muslim in name only! A "real" Muslim wouldn't be caught dead in an infidel army. Our Muslim "allies" are ONLY allies when it benefits them.

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No I have not. I served in the IC with a number of Muslims. The point that liberals seem incapable of learning is that there are three categories of Muslims. 1) Fundamentalist (i.e. radical), 2) Moderate and 3) Liberal.

The latter reject the core teachings of Islam which is violent to its core, in the manner Muhammad taught it. There are also plenty of Muslim allies ...eg the Kurds, those who oppose the Muslim Brotherhood etc.

The problem with Keith is ... he's closer to the fundamental camp from what I've seen although his outward manifestations are restrained. He has been endorsed by CAIR and, most likely, the MB. That's all we need to know that his head, and heart, are likely in a very bad place for traditional, constitutional America. Islam is essentially an imperial religion and their long term strategy has never waivered in 1,400 years although the tactics adapt, in order to make all men submit to the will of Allah.

There's 2...fundamentalist and in name only.

If you reject the teachings...you're not a Muslim...except in name only. Like a Catholic who doesn't follow the rules...you're in name only...a Jew who doesn't follow the rules...in name only.

Islam is a cancer...worse than the other religious cancers.

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Perhaps. And perhaps many of them still believe in Sharia law. There are many flavors of the Muslim religion and they all do not always get along. I have a very close friend from the military that is Muslim as well as a granddaughter that is married to a Muslim. They still believe in the Koran and they still treat women as lesser beings. Of course, if women wish to subject themselves to their ways, it is up to them.

This country has always been a majority of citizens that have been of Christian religions. I doubt if we will be able to call us America if we allow that to change. After all, if you read all the old documentation from the founders, you will find that they are all based on the foundation of Christian beliefs, even if not regulated by a strict Christian rule. Yes, we have freedom OF religion, but I doubt that founders ever envisioned a time where a radical religion would become so prominent in American lives.

If the Democrats wish to be represented by a Muslim, then that is their prerogative. What's worst, being led by a Muslim or being led by a Communist? Either way, I guess we will find out how corrupted the millennials have become in their radical thinking in the future elections.

Muslim in name only..he would NEVER join the infidel army and he wouldn't marry a non-muslim.

in 30 years, we'll be Mexico II and none of this will matter...

janmcn 11-14-2016 12:53 PM

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Islam is incompatible with "the west" and "western values". As much so as a sociopath or psychopath or a pedophile is incompatible with western values. Disagree? Where has the increase in Muslims made a place better? They're as bad as the minorities at making a place suck.

He HAD "western values" and then he gave them up when he joined up with the Muslims and their twisted view of what life should be. He DID go to the "dark side", the dark ages is where Islam belongs.

The party of the people...run by an "anti-person" who believes in the teachings of the Koran. Who wants us all converted or gone. Who wants his religion to be the moral compass. Who wants Islam to be the ONLY religion.

You liberals...you really are retarded.



Did you say the same thing about Cassius Clay (Mohammed Ali) or Lew Alcindor (Karim Abdul Jabbar)?

TexaninVA 11-14-2016 12:55 PM

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Muslim in name only! A "real" Muslim wouldn't be caught dead in an infidel army. Our Muslim "allies" are ONLY allies when it benefits them.



There's 2...fundamentalist and in name only.


Muslim in name only..he would NEVER join the infidel

If you reject the teachings...you're not a Muslim...except in name only. Like a Catholic who doesn't follow the rules...you're in name only...a Jew who doesn't follow the rules...in name only.

Islam is a cancer...worse than the other religious cancers.
army and he wouldn't marry a non-muslim.

in 30 years, we'll be Mexico II and none of this will matter...

I certainly agree with you that Islam has historically been a cancer. Read the Sira or similar texts to find out just how bad it was.

At the same time you need to recognize Islam in some instances is more of a cultural affiliation than religious in the pure sense. Yes, of course the "liberal" Muslims have rejected some of the more violent tenets. The fundamentalists view them as apostates and they are higher up on the kill list than westerners for that reason.

Plus, there is no point alienating Muslim allies. M. Zuhdi Jasser is one.

American Islamic Forum for Democracy

Another is the King Abudllah of Jordan.

In short, you need to take a broader geopolitical view if you ever hope to defeat Radical Islam..

Don Baldwin 11-14-2016 01:08 PM

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I certainly agree with you that Islam has historically been a cancer. Read the Sira or similar texts to find out just how bad it was.

At the same time you need to recognize Islam in some instances is more of a cultural affiliation than religious in the pure sense. Yes, of course the "liberal" Muslims have rejected some of the more violent tenets. The fundamentalists view them as apostates and they are higher up on the kill list than westerners for that reason.

Plus, there is no point alienating Muslim allies. M. Zuhdi Jasser is one.

American Islamic Forum for Democracy

Another is the King Abudllah of Jordan.

In short, you need to take a broader geopolitical view if you ever hope to defeat Radical Islam..

I read them BEFORE many were "cleaned up" after 9-11. Yes, even the translations have become politically correct to a point.

They're Muslim in name only. Like an idolizer or fornicator who claims to be Catholic. A Jew who disregards the laws.

They're called "relativists", they pick and choose what they will believe/do irregardless of what "God says".

Their fakers and they're the reason there are over 5000 Christian sects alone.

TexaninVA 11-14-2016 01:55 PM

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I read them BEFORE many were "cleaned up" after 9-11. Yes, even the translations have become politically correct to a point.

They're Muslim in name only. Like an idolizer or fornicator who claims to be Catholic. A Jew who disregards the laws.

They're called "relativists", they pick and choose what they will believe/do irregardless of what "God says".

Their fakers and they're the reason there are over 5000 Christian sects alone.

Look, I'm getting the sense you are your own worst enemy on this topic. The Sirat Rasul Allah was not "cleaned up" after 9/11. It was written by Ibn Ishaq about 100 years after the death of Mohammed and is "the" definitive biography. Alfred Guillemet wrote the definitive translation in 1955, and was published by the Oxford Press. Pages 461-469 describe, in gory detail, the slaughter of 800 some odd male Jews at Qurayza, plus the enslavement of their women and children. The violent tenets are still all there for anyone who actually wants to do their homework.

And, to my point, you/me/we need strategic allies to defeat Radical (ie fundamental) Islam so you really should avoid screwing that up with unhinged attacks on our natural allies like King Abdullah, the Kurds etc.

In the meantime, our collective focus should be on outlawing the Muslim Brotherhood, which basically has a written (in Arabic) strategic plan to overthrow the US from within. I should post that at some point since I have a copy .. .mental note to myself.

Buffalo Jim 11-14-2016 04:06 PM

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Did you say the same thing about Cassius Clay (Mohammed Ali) or Lew Alcindor (Karim Abdul Jabbar)?

What`s your point ? I think you forgot to include "Malcom X " in your list ? Elijah Mohammed as well . A couple of very tolerant proud citizens who spread Unicorns and Flowers where ever they traveled .

Buffalo Jim 11-14-2016 04:12 PM

Perhaps the DNC should be directed by two people sharing the Chairmanship . One person representing the " Old Guard " of the Clintons which should be Jon Podesta .

And someone representing the " new era " for which I have no suggestions other than Elizabeth warren should get a lot of say in the matter .
Another very interesting choice would be the ever popular and diplomatic James Carville .

Don Baldwin 11-14-2016 08:24 PM

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Look, I'm getting the sense you are your own worst enemy on this topic. The Sirat Rasul Allah was not "cleaned up" after 9/11. It was written by Ibn Ishaq about 100 years after the death of Mohammed and is "the" definitive biography. Alfred Guillemet wrote the definitive translation in 1955, and was published by the Oxford Press. Pages 461-469 describe, in gory detail, the slaughter of 800 some odd male Jews at Qurayza, plus the enslavement of their women and children. The violent tenets are still all there for anyone who actually wants to do their homework.

And, to my point, you/me/we need strategic allies to defeat Radical (ie fundamental) Islam so you really should avoid screwing that up with unhinged attacks on our natural allies like King Abdullah, the Kurds etc.

In the meantime, our collective focus should be on outlawing the Muslim Brotherhood, which basically has a written (in Arabic) strategic plan to overthrow the US from within. I should post that at some point since I have a copy .. .mental note to myself.

Sorry Tex...I read your post fast and thought your Sirat was misspelled "surahs", the chapters from the Koran. The Koran translations have been "cleaned up" since 9-11...from what I remember reading before. They seem to have been mellowed out, they're not as extreme. My mistake.

Buffalo Jim 11-15-2016 12:54 AM

We should all hope that Mr. Ellsion takes full advantage of implementing the many benefits of the " 224 613 " Project in guiding his gyroscope which will be focused on retaking complete control over the Federal Government and in so doing no ones safety will be at risk .

Odd that with a name of Ellison he is a Muslim --- most Ellions I ever knew were proud members of " The Chosen People " .
How could this be a Muslim Ellison ?

In any event it sounds as if it would be a perfect choice to map the post Clinton Party . I just hope that he gets along well with Sydney Blumenthal .

MDLNB 11-15-2016 06:54 AM

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We should all hope that Mr. Ellsion takes full advantage of implementing the many benefits of the " 224 613 " Project in guiding his gyroscope which will be focused on retaking complete control over the Federal Government and in so doing no ones safety will be at risk .

Odd that with a name of Ellison he is a Muslim --- most Ellions I ever knew were proud members of " The Chosen People " .
How could this be a Muslim Ellison ?

In any event it sounds as if it would be a perfect choice to map the post Clinton Party . I just hope that he gets along well with Sydney Blumenthal .

If the left appoints Ellison as their DNC chairman, they might as well forget about winning in 2020. But, that is OK with me.
What the Democrat party needs is more members like Senator Joe Manchin from WV. He is a good example of what the Democratic party used to be and should strive to be today.

Cedwards38 11-15-2016 07:25 AM

.....and once again bigotry raises it's ugly head from Trump's America. Are you familiar with the concept of freedom of religion? Does that only apply to white Christians?

TexaninVA 11-15-2016 07:40 AM

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.....and once again bigotry raises it's ugly head from Trump's America. Are you familiar with the concept of freedom of religion? Does that only apply to white Christians?

Yes, Trump's America is fully knowledgeable of the religion of peace, the tone deafness of liberal democrats and the masochist streak of arrogance they revel in.

As stated earlier, the blue collar guys will now flock back given the brilliance of naming a Muslim to head the DNC. Keep it up ... we enjoy watching you go up in flames. :)

Don Baldwin 11-15-2016 07:45 AM

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.....and once again bigotry raises it's ugly head from Trump's America. Are you familiar with the concept of freedom of religion? Does that only apply to white Christians?

All HIGHLY religious people should be looked at carefully, their rationality questioned.

But to CONVERT to Islam? That's about as insane as it gets. I'll make up a religion based on another too...I'll tell everyone "God" told me to tell you. If I'm charismatic enough, maybe it'll catch on.

Funny how it's been a while since any radically new religions were created...I can't believe Mormonism caught on...I mean...REALLY? He found golden plates (gone of course) from "God" that he translated?

I'd say the same about someone who gets TOO obsessed with anything. How stable ARE they?

Don Baldwin 11-15-2016 07:52 AM

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Yes, Trump's America is fully knowledgeable of the religion of peace, the tone deafness of liberal democrats and the masochist streak of arrogance they revel in.

As stated earlier, the blue collar guys will now flock back given the brilliance of naming a Muslim to head the DNC. Keep it up ... we enjoy watching you go up in flames. :)

You mean Hispanics? The days of Joe White guy making up the majority of workers is long gone. Hispanics have taken most of those jobs. They are literally everywhere. Look at the construction sites in TV, mostly Hispanic. Processing plants are Hispanic. Manufacturing. They're 1/3 the population and they DO work...for less. The problem is...they're taking over our culture too. The country WILL be Mexico II in 30 years or less.


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