obama was worse. He just had Soros backing him,the big money machine. Give Trump a chance to prove America was wrong. obama proved himself wrong to America now we have a real mess. Maybe Trump can fix it.

Originally Posted by Guest

And don't forget, the Republicans want to make food out of people.

RE: soyolent green
It made total sense IF YOU WERE HIGH ENOUGH.

Sadly, it is 2016-THEY PROBABLY DO NOT READ 1984 ANY MORE BUT MUCH OR IT HAS IN FACT COME TO PASS.

RE: SENIORS
I predict AGE WARS. We, as a result of WWII are/were a mass going through the industrialized world population like a snake swallowing a rat. SINCE, our government CHOSE to spend the astronomical amount of money we were forced to send it to social security on BUYING VOTES from our parents the treasure that should have been there to pay for us is gone. Bush added prescription coverage to social security-BUT NO MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. Obama added OBAMACARE-BUT NO MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

We are all aware that OBAMA added TEN TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE NATIONAL DEBT. Many do not realize that as we discuss TEN TRILLION DOLLARS we do not COMPREHEND what a TRILLION DOLLARS-LET ALONE TEN TRILLION DOLLARS IS. Many will be shocked to discover
that SOCIAL SECURITY holds 42% of that National Debt.
Our government, OBAMA, spent YOUR MONEY and they did it without any repayment plan or INTEREST to be paid on this LOAN. Will we be paid back? Can our government increae taxes on the millennial enough to pay for not only their future social security but for what OBAMA has spent from our forced contributions?

Originally Posted by Guest

Not so stupid...lots of material to actually read, should you choose.



"Yet the evidence is mounting that the GOP plans to green light Medicare privatization, sought by Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House. When he nominated Rep. Tom Price to be head of the Department of Health and Services, Trump signaled a willingness to carve up the medical program."

Forbes Welcome

The link you provided is from a commentator, and there is a disclaimer that says that he in no way reflects the view of the website. And Jan has been saying that Trump plans to do all those things about getting rid of Social Security and Medicare, not congress. What you linked to was an opinion piece, which said that congress (not Trump) was planning to privatize those benefits. She's the one that has been screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" like Chicken Little.

Originally Posted by Guest

The link you provided is from a commentator, and there is a disclaimer that says that he in no way reflects the view of the website. And Jan has been saying that Trump plans to do all those things about getting rid of Social Security and Medicare, not congress. What you linked to was an opinion piece, which said that congress (not Trump) was planning to privatize those benefits. She's the one that has been screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" like Chicken Little.

how about these....you mocked another poster as if this was made up stuff. This is a HUGE discussion anywhere current events or governing is discussed. Make fun if you wish but at least show some reason for mocking instead of looking stupid

"For most Baby Boomers, whether to expect any incoming changes to Medicare of course remains a great concern. Trump’s transition website pledges to “Modernize Medicare, so that it will be ready for the challenges with the coming retirement of the Baby Boom generation – and beyond.” But other than that, details are yet to be heard."

What a Trump Administration Means for Your Retirement | Fox Business

"If House Speaker Paul Ryan has his way, the 115th Congress won’t just repeal Obamacare, it will dramatically reform Medicare, turning the program into a form of private insurance.

Ryan has long supported the controversial idea and, immediately after the election, he suggested that any Obamacare reform should include Medicare reform. Another key player, House Budget Chairman Tom Price, said Medicare reform was a top priority for the unified Republican government.

President-elect Donald Trump has yet to commit to further privatization of Medicare—which could cause a tidal wave of unease among senior citizens—and a Trump spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment. At a minimum, though, Ryan’s Medicare plans are a topic of negotiation between the speaker and the president-elect."




Can Paul Ryan actually privatize Medicare?

"WASHINGTON — Donald J. Trump once declared that campaigning for “substantial” changes to Medicare would be a political death wish.

But with Election Day behind them, emboldened House Republicans say they will move forward on a years-old effort to shift Medicare away from its open-ended commitment to pay for medical services and toward a fixed government contribution for each beneficiary.

The idea rarely came up during Mr. Trump’s march toward the White House, but a battle over the future of Medicare could roil Washington during his first year in office, whether he wants it or not."

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...eply&p=1338490

Originally Posted by Guest

Seniors better hope that democrats are the party of no. They are the only thing standing between republicans and ending Medicare, privatizing social security and the VA, and repealing Obamacare.

Even with democrats voting no, republicans will probably still be able to get rid of all these programs through reconciliation.

I'm beginning to think you have a pull string in the back of your neck. You have repeated this same line ad nauseum, with absolutely no reference of fact, that it has made anything that you post at this point difficult to be taken seriously.

Originally Posted by Guest

I'm beginning to think you have a pull string in the back of your neck. You have repeated this same line ad nauseum, with absolutely no reference of fact, that it has made anything that you post at this point difficult to be taken seriously.

POSTS 14 AND 19 carry FOUR links to why this is news worthy and certainly worthy of serious discussion from those who actually read.

JANMCN and I have had many differences over the years, but on this I could not agree more with her.

Originally Posted by Guest

Seniors better hope that democrats are the party of no. They are the only thing standing between republicans and ending Medicare, privatizing social security and the VA, and repealing Obamacare.

Even with democrats voting no, republicans will probably still be able to get rid of all these programs through reconciliation.

What a bunch of fear mongering nonsense.

Gotta admit....you supposed "conservatives" are so frustrating.

I am a staunch conservative and you people put me in the position of defending the liberal posters on here with your stupid and inane comments.

PLEASE read up on what is happening in the world, not your world, but the world

You folks simply ignore facts, and neve even mention the Trump appoint of Tom Price to Secy of HHS. This is a signal and makes this a worthy conversation.

"In picking Representative Tom Price, President-elect Donald Trump has chosen as his secretary of health and human services a man intent on systematically weakening, if not demolishing, the nation’s health care safety net.

Mr. Price, a Republican from Georgia, is a fierce opponent of the Affordable Care Act, the 2010 health reform law, and beyond that, supports plans to slash Medicare and Medicaid, "

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/op...tary.html?_r=0

"President-elect Donald Trump's selection of Rep. Tom Price to head the Department of Health and Human Services signals that the new administration is all-in on both efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act and restructure Medicare and Medicaid.

Price, a Georgia Republican who currently chairs the House Budget Committee, was among the first to suggest that not just the ACA but also Medicare are on the near-term agenda for newly empowered Republicans.

Privatizing the Medicare program for seniors and disabled people and turning the Medicaid program for the poor back to the states are long-time goals for Republicans in Congress and the White House."

Access Denied

You embarass any conservatives on here with your manifestation of your lack of knowledge and your incessant need to simply allow the world to go by you while you diddle your thumbs.

Wake up

It is simply embarassing to watch you folks go right past so much news and simply to continue on with ramblings.

Do you never get embarassed ? Is reading too much to ask before you pollute this forum with your condescending attitude and remarks ? You make the comparison of Trump followers made in the campaign seem real and much too close.

Why is it so difficult to discuss differences of opinion based on what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING instead of your dream world. ?

I would love to support the conservative movement on this forum, but you folks make it difficult by not even being conversant on the governing of the nation.

If all you want to do is simply trash Obama and Clinton, that is not political discussion....that is petty, childish, and being totally unaware. Those are attributes that you said during the campaign belonged to the left, but which you seem to embrace and eschew on this forum.

The left is making you look foolish. Yes, Trump won but on this forum, you guys look like losers.

I really want to defend the conservative agenda but with allies like you, I just want to......well, lets say my stomach is a bit upset.

You actually drive real conservatives away.

Ryan has repeated a number of times going back to the 2012 election period that any changes made to medicare would not affect people who were 55 or older.

Anyone believing or promoting fear that any politician Democrat or Republican would be as foolish to pull medicare of the shelf immediately is either naive', a non-thinker or a liar. Look at the history of this nation any changes to our mode of transportation, etc evolved. If the Republicans are successful in producing a bill that will alter the financing, etc of medicare it will be an evolutionary process affecting later generations of Americans and not grandpa and grandma now or in the near future.

Trump's modus operandi is very cleverly disguised and plays to the emotional reactionaries on the left. And they bite every time. Personally I do not like Trump's approach but it gets results.

Trump has them so up in arms that liberals are purchasing fire arms at a record breaking level.

But then the left has spent some 40 years trying to breed out alpha males in their ranks and replacing them with metrosexuals.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Ryan has repeated a number of times going back to the 2012 election period that any changes made to medicare would not affect people who were 55 or older.

Anyone believing or promoting fear that any politician Democrat or Republican would be as foolish to pull medicare of the shelf immediately is either naive', a non-thinker or a liar. Look at the history of this nation any changes to our mode of transportation, etc evolved. If the Republicans are successful in producing a bill that will alter the financing, etc of medicare it will be an evolutionary process affecting later generations of Americans and not grandpa and grandma now or in the near future.

Trump's modus operandi is very cleverly disguised and plays to the emotional reactionaries on the left. And they bite every time. Personally I do not like Trump's approach but it gets results.

Trump has them so up in arms that liberals are purchasing fire arms at a record breaking level.

But then the left has spent some 40 years trying to breed out alpha males in their ranks and replacing them with metrosexuals.

Personal Best Regards:

Well, at least you are consistent.

THERE IS, no matter what you proclaim a movement to privatize Medicaire and Medicaid. It is in the news if you bother to look beyond whatever koolaide Trump/Jim Jones is offering.

Your confidence in Trump and his total silence on this issue is becoming the norm....do not discuss the issues.

Will it affect those already in the program ? I think not, but trust me.....it will be discussed and you are simply foolish with the appointment of Price to not see the handwriting on the wall.

You always feel is smarter than everyone, yet thus far and he has not taken office yet, the only folks that have been hoodwinked by him are his followers.

You are acting EXACTLY AS THE DEMOCRATS did in 2008. We wil handle this without any input from the other side and that got us OBAMA CARE and 8 years of resentment. Is that what you are looking for.

Did not Trump also say he wanted to bring all of us together ? This is the way, to dismiss everything and simply say, even though not even close to true, how Trump is so smart ?

Listen, he is filling the swamp, empowering the money, eschewing the voters (no press conference), continues to lie on twitter (although thought that might change). I am willing to support some of his programs but you people on here better wake up...the election is over....now it is governing and you are sounding, oh so much like the Democrats in 2008, while you SAID you wanted the high road, you continue to act as children.

HOW SMART was it of Trump to take credit for the nations holiday sales....when they are down from last year Only the Jim Jones followers buy into this stuff...why does someone as smart as you seem to be buy into this Your hate for the left is blinding you.

Originally Posted by Guest

OUR GOVERNMENT is supposed to be oppositional. TRUMP claims to be a deal maker. Trump has not even yet taken office and he has NEGOTIATED a deal with CARRIER-saving AMERICAN JOBS and with BOEING-saving AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY.

He negotiated NOTHING. It was a seven-million dollar bribe.

Originally Posted by Guest

Ryan has repeated a number of times going back to the 2012 election period that any changes made to medicare would not affect people who were 55 or older.

Anyone believing or promoting fear that any politician Democrat or Republican would be as foolish to pull medicare of the shelf immediately is either naive', a non-thinker or a liar. Look at the history of this nation any changes to our mode of transportation, etc evolved. If the Republicans are successful in producing a bill that will alter the financing, etc of medicare it will be an evolutionary process affecting later generations of Americans and not grandpa and grandma now or in the near future.

Trump's modus operandi is very cleverly disguised and plays to the emotional reactionaries on the left. And they bite every time. Personally I do not like Trump's approach but it gets results.

Trump has them so up in arms that liberals are purchasing fire arms at a record breaking level.

But then the left has spent some 40 years trying to breed out alpha males in their ranks and replacing them with metrosexuals.

Personal Best Regards:

Parts of the medicare replacement bill (the voucher plan) are leaking out on-line. The full benefit retirement age is being raised from 65 to 70.

All those in their early 60's who are counting the days until they turn 65 can now add another five years to their plans.

Originally Posted by Guest

Parts of the medicare replacement bill (the voucher plan) are leaking out on-line. The full benefit retirement age is being raised from 65 to 70.

All those in their early 60's who are counting the days until they turn 65 can now add another five years to their plans.

Golly, you make me agree with you once again JANMCN.

Please stop confusing any "conversation" with facts.

Would it not be great if someday a real conversation on this issue could take place.

"His plan, called A Better Way, would slowly raise the age of eligibility for Medicare and cap federal spending for the program, increasing subsidies for low-income seniors but raising out-of-pocket costs for higher-income retirees. It would make Medicare Advantage managed care plans more attractive. And, in a significant omission, it barely acknowledges the importance of long-term supports and services for older adults and younger people with disabilities and suggests few ways to improve such care.

Forbes Welcome

Originally Posted by Guest

Golly, you make me agree with you once again JANMCN.

Please stop confusing any "conversation" with facts.

Would it not be great if someday a real conversation on this issue could take place.

"His plan, called A Better Way, would slowly raise the age of eligibility for Medicare and cap federal spending for the program, increasing subsidies for low-income seniors but raising out-of-pocket costs for higher-income retirees. It would make Medicare Advantage managed care plans more attractive. And, in a significant omission, it barely acknowledges the importance of long-term supports and services for older adults and younger people with disabilities and suggests few ways to improve such care.

Forbes Welcome

Sorry Rocky, but you are about as conservative as your friends Jan or MCN. I don't know why you are ashamed to admit it....wait, yes I do.

All of this is purely fear mongering, just like what the libtards accused us of doing when Obama was treading all over the Constitution. You can't take a letter to the editor or a commentary from a liberal and turn it into a factual news source. Next thing you all will be doing is pushing the Pravda as a valid source of information.