Nothing Illegal About It...And It Can't Hurt His Reputation

 
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:01 PM
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...so why not push thru some last minute regulatory changes to help out some buddies? The public won't notice--and if they do, who cares anyway? He's not running for re-election.

But it sure is maddening.

Is this how a democracy is supposed to work?

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Old 12-08-2008, 10:13 PM
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Default Get that guy out of office; he's done enough damage!!

impeach
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Old 12-09-2008, 12:40 AM
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Angry Enough!

I am so sick of George W. Bush on so many levels, there is just not enough time and space to express it. I agree Barb, IMPEACH!
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:39 AM
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I am so sick of George W. Bush on so many levels, there is just not enough time and space to express it. I agree Barb, IMPEACH!

Amazing...impeach on this issue ? One that EVERY President takes part in !!!!

Not condoning the actions but wondering about the over reaction everytime President Bush is mentioned. Did we cry outrage at the Clintons ? Did we show outrage at the Clinton's pardons which were obscene ? Does this mean you are ok with other Presidents doint the same thing ?

I dont condone it but again...do not pretend as if President Bush invented evil..how naive can you be !!!
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:39 AM
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I may be missing some information here but doesn't everything he sign come from the Legislative branch....

I think they should all be partly to blame as well....

Now don't think I am defending Bush....I am NOT a fan...but I think he should not alone in the impeachment line!!
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:42 AM
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...so why not push thru some last minute regulatory changes to help out some buddies? The public won't notice--and if they do, who cares anyway? He's not running for re-election.

But it sure is maddening.

Is this how a democracy is supposed to work?

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/...gula.html#more

Kahuana...did you express your frustration with every President or just this one ?

With so many issues to discuss, and you do it well, why would you take the time to start a thread simply to take another "shot" at the President ? They all do it...all have done it....it is like the pardons ! I surely dont condone it but you know it will happen as it always has !
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Old 12-09-2008, 08:11 AM
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Bucco....I think (notice I said I think) the issue at hand is not that he is doing it....it's that he is doing it STILL. He made such a deal about not doing it after November 1st.....

Guess what....

He lied! Still doing it! Hhmmmm.....does this surprise you? The W lied?

In my opinion that is the major issue here....we all expect it to happen. I think Obama should put one in place that states no one can do this anymore!!

this again...is just my opinion!!!
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Old 12-09-2008, 10:27 AM
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I did note the last minute regulatory changes done by prior Presidents. And I was enraged by the pardons issued by Clinton. You'll probably hear from me here if Bush does some outrageous pardons, as well.

It's just that I didn't have this forum to make my observations. The other big difference between Clinton and Bush is that Clinton had one major character flaw--an inability to keep his zipper zipped. At the time, that was enough to make me very pleased when he left office. Otherwise, the record seems to show that the country fared pretty well under his administration.

Bush on the other hand, is leaving the country in worse shape--in desperate shape in some areas--than when he took office. He campaigned as a healer, a "compassionate conservative". I even voted for him and his platform. But he turned out to be an idealogue, a zealot, as far from a conservative as one might imagine, an executive who made decisions based on gut feel and not a study of facts and the consideration of learned opinions, and a common liar. He'll go down as one of the worst Presidents ever to lead this country.

No, I won't forget that. I'll comment on his failures--in this instance his continued failures--as often as I see them happening. People need to learn to liten to what they're told and then compare actions with words.
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Old 12-09-2008, 11:32 AM
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I think that most if not all politicians are magicians in the rough. They will pull the rabbit out of the hat and make you think other wise. This is the way to do things. All though I like Obama keeping us up to date with all he is doing.... Maybe a first. Cant Believe W is leaving the Auto industry as is...
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Old 12-09-2008, 11:44 AM
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Let's be clear about the hierarchy of federal law before we condemn anyone:

1. The Constitution - It's the top banana. However, it begs a lot of clarity on specifics, which is the job of the Legislature to do via statutes.

2. Statutes, or U.S. Code (USC) - This is the next level down, or second-tier. Statues are the Legislature's orders to the rest of us, including the Executive Branch, on what is to be done, and how much in resources are to be allocated to it.

3. Regulations, or Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) - Regulations are the third-tier down. Regulations are written by Executive Branch agencies based on the orders (statutes) given to them, and provide specific instructions as to how the orders (statutes) are to be implemented, by whom and to what authority level, and contain guidance regarding as to how the implementation will take place. Regulations cannot exist without a governing statute above them. Public commentary periods often accompany the publication of the pending regulation in the Federal Register, but the regulation can be issued as an "interim rule" immediately.

So, the fact that "regulations" which have been in the pipeline for many months in some cases are now being cleared out is no big thing. The statutes have been there all along, and many groups are usually upset that it takes so long before the regulations actually are published.

If there is a problem with the regulation, look first at the statute that Congress passed and when it was passed and signed into law. It is the higher-tier document in this legal pyramid and the "daddy" in this legal family.
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:50 PM
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I did note the last minute regulatory changes done by prior Presidents. And I was enraged by the pardons issued by Clinton. You'll probably hear from me here if Bush does some outrageous pardons, as well.

It's just that I didn't have this forum to make my observations. The other big difference between Clinton and Bush is that Clinton had one major character flaw--an inability to keep his zipper zipped. At the time, that was enough to make me very pleased when he left office. Otherwise, the record seems to show that the country fared pretty well under his administration.

Bush on the other hand, is leaving the country in worse shape--in desperate shape in some areas--than when he took office. He campaigned as a healer, a "compassionate conservative". I even voted for him and his platform. But he turned out to be an idealogue, a zealot, as far from a conservative as one might imagine, an executive who made decisions based on gut feel and not a study of facts and the consideration of learned opinions, and a common liar. He'll go down as one of the worst Presidents ever to lead this country.

No, I won't forget that. I'll comment on his failures--in this instance his continued failures--as often as I see them happening. People need to learn to liten to what they're told and then compare actions with words.
I am not a fan of George Bush !!!

HOWEVER, the total lack of the same kind of vitrol for those in congress, who in my opinion are the direct cause of the current financial crisis, is apalling AND THEY ARE STILL THERE WITH THE WHITE HOUSE IN THEIR CORNER !~!!
 


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