I do not have time to stay on here but may I say that you show your colors here.

This is more than a two way street. DO you have any idea of what has been going on and continues in the US SENATE ???????

Before you throw stones be sure you know of what you speak, PLEASE !

This is not a defense of anyone or an endorsement of anything except that you really need to accept facts and not make things up.

I will attempt to be civil here.

Your post is a personal attack.

My post was a response to the years old mantra from the left and, I would guess you, of how stupid Sara Palin is. Now I am dumb? Sounds like anybody that is not you or like you is dumb or stupid.

I would bet that both Obama and Palin are smarter than both of us.

I have a masters degree in my field and am happy to say I am not dumb as I bet neither are you. So why do you have to call people that? What purpose does it serve?

To think that Obama thought up this plan after he was in office, set it up and pulled it off with out any help from previous administrations policies is ridiculous!

So what part of history did I rewrite and please back it up with some info so maybe I can learn something other than how dumb, dumb, dumb I am.
Were you there when Obama planned this mission or is this based on the obviously totally correct information from your leftest sources?

So, I would say at what point do you start showing respect for someones opinion instead of insulting them?
If you have a counter point, then make it. I did not see a point made in your post. Mine was an opinion on qualifications and the truth, Obama said he visited 54 states, all of them!

I do not know either of you but I would seriously doubt if Sarah Palin is smarter than either of you.

The 54 states by Pres. Obama was a gaffe and anyone can slip. However, Palin did not know where Germany is on a map, thought she had foreign relations skill because Alaska is close to Russia, thought the Queen of England was the head of government, did not know of two Koreas, etc.

She can orate with the best of them - but dumb as a box of lint.

I have to say I did not see these things in the news and may have just missed them. I did a little research and could not come up with any links to these things being true,
So could you tell me where to find facts to back this up and what is the difference between Palin being "Dumb" and really means these things but Obama just made a gaffe.
If they are true, then they are true. If they are not they should not be used to make a point.
Could it be that she was caught off guard because she was being attacked from angles that most people did not even knew existed. No she had to be stupid and Obama just made a gaffe. Typical!!

Sarah Palin 'believed Queen was in charge of British forces in Iraq' - Telegraph


http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Sara...ign_Policy.htm

I will take the middle ground here. I think that many people on this board have as much intellectual capacity as Ms. Pallin. At the same time, she is not dumb or she could not have fooled as many good people as she has. My feeling is she was rather insular, having spent many years in a small town in a very small state which is isolated from the rest of the U.S. geographically. She did not, in my opinion, posess the gravitas to be the Vice President of the nation. I think calling her dumb is not giving her enough credit for the things she has accomplished, but did she have enough intellectual capacity, or the ability to work through the kind of weighty issues a President would have to handle, not close in my opinion. (I'm guessing this will elicit several responses as to the current POTUS's intellect, experience, etc. so knock yourselves out).

Your first link is a obvious one sided report based on what she said off the record during a coaching session. If she said the Queen is in charge of the country and the troops that is one thing. But it is not clear in this link that she said anything like that.
If she thinks the Queen runs the country, that is sad but that is not what she said, it is what the film makers wanted her to say so they did just enough research to say they did and then told the story the way they wanted it to be.

The other link about seeing Russia from her back porch was like saying "I have seen something a MILLION time" when what you mean is you have seen it many times but not a million.
Again this is one of the best examples of the left lying about what she meant knowing what she meant.
Don't you think it is obvious that you could not see Russia from the middle of Alaska.
I think it is just like Obama saying he has been to 54 states. I know he knows, you know he knows but somehow you think she is stupid because you twist what she means and Obama just made a mistake.
The difference between you and I is I can admit that he made a mistake and you and the left will make a movie about misrepresenting what she said.
I don't think she should be president, never did, but you people just can't let it go.
I would like to see how you would fair when getting a anal exam 24/7 from dozens of people who would like to see you fail. Would you make a mistake, misspeak or say something that could be misinterpreted or would you just be stupid or dumb.
Listen to yourself.

It would be fun to see some of you debate her without your computer to look stuff up. Would be fun to watch.

This makes my point. I know you did not mean "small state" but that is what you said. So why is what she said and how she said it any different.

Alaska is a "Big State"
Other than that I can not disagree with the rest of your post.

I thought it would be obvious I meant "small state" to mean from a population standpoint.

Hold on now...I think your post is pretty much on very solid ground.

I am however, very touchy on this subject. This woman AND HER ENTIRE family has been maligned over the years to such an extent it borders on inhumane. I have two problems with this subject...I dont like the personal things that are said about her and her family in anyway, and I had to add this just so you would not think I have lost it totally by agreeing with you....I wish the media had done half the looking into Obama as they did with her.

BUT, on this subject, I think your post hit it on the head...folks on this forum are over the top with Palin. I am really tired of the calling people stupid and being so doggone personal. I criticize Obama a lot but never ever personally and never his family. I just wish that the same respect was shown to others.

You said it much better than I did. This is what I am saying. It is so over the top on degrading her and her family and it never seems to end. Just imagine this happening to your family, it would kill me.



It was crystal clear to me. It just made my point so I used it. I know you know the size of Alaska.

I wouldn't believe anything Steve Schmidt said. He didn't like her from day one. He was a horrible drag on the McPain campaign. I wish people would stop saying that she said she coould see Russia from her house. Tina Fey said it, not Palin.

Just so you lefties can have one less thing to misrepresent:


So what else is it that you believe that is not true??

Alaska played a huge roll in the cold war and I am sure that while living there does not make you as smart as you think Obama is, it would give you some insight that those of us in the lower 48 will never have. I think the foreign policy experience was also added to her answer because it made their report sound better to the dem base.

Sarah Palin is an intellectual midget.

Way to add substance, well thought out! Really! that is what you have?

Everything you wrote here is bogus tripe and very shameful.

The myths surrounding this All American woman is getting tiresome.

Get a new hobby, why don't ya.

other than the K-6 level name calling all any of you doing so know about Palin is what you read/hear in the media. And that qualifies for the continual stoning.

Agree, disagree, opine, debate all to one's liking that would be adult about it (and a lot of other subjects as well)....the name calling....truly nothing more than K-6 and I may be a little unfair to the K-6 folks.

btk

I think that the ones who use name calling and cute constructions (obamascare for example), do it to agitate people on the other side of an issue, and love that it gets under their skin.

I will admit in the one post when I used the term Obamascare, that was exactly the intent..........

btk

I enjoy and appreciate your candor.

UOTE=eweissenbach;516289]I think that the ones who use name calling and cute constructions (obamascare for example), do it to agitate people on the other side of an issue, and love that it gets under their skin.[/QUOTE]

I sincerely apologize because I use that term always and was totally unaware it was considered in anyway to be offensive. I do apologize and will not do it again, although the media uses it all the time which is where I picked it up and many left leaning posters use it as well.

But now that I know it is considered to be cute, which I am not close to...wont happen again

Sorry

I sincerely apologize because I use that term always and was totally unaware it was considered in anyway to be offensive. I do apologize and will not do it again, although the media uses it all the time which is where I picked it up and many left leaning posters use it as well.

But now that I know it is considered to be cute, which I am not close to...wont happen again

Sorry[/QUOTE]

Not sure you understood Bucco. While obamaCARE is a contrived construction, and may be offensive to some because it seems to imply that the POTUS was totally responsible for it - I was referring to obamaSCARE, which was a term BTK used a couple days ago.

Not sure you understood Bucco. While obamaCARE is a contrived construction, and may be offensive to some because it seems to imply that the POTUS was totally responsible for it - I was referring to obamaSCARE, which was a term BTK used a couple days ago.[/QUOTE]

That is good to hear....however I will still restrain myself I suppose. I am not a fan of the cutsey stuff !

That is good to hear....however I will still restrain myself I suppose. I am not a fan of the cutsey stuff ![/QUOTE]

Even if I get crosswise with you occasionally, and I think you are a little obsessive, you are obviously a good man.

Hi eweissenbach As has been documented eve by the lefties, Palin boke through and broke down the good old boy network in Alaska. She demonstrated that one could be honest and also demonstrated that her desires were in the best interests of Alaska and its people. My wife would disagree but I cannot fault her for leaving the governorship. The lefties caused such distractions costing her and Alaska precious time and money. she recognized that as long as she held that office she would continue to be a target. quite frankly I believe she showed courage in leaving because she was well aware of what criticsm was coming. What I am not sure of is why the lefties feared her so much that they were unrelenting in their attacks and given the the HBO movie Game changer still fear her.

Palin had more politrical leadership than Obama in 2008 and leadership that required the cooperation of both parties. all Obama had to show was his experience as a community organizer whose main objective was to divide, destroy and conquer. Obama carried that same community organizer agenda with him andcontinues to operate in that same manner. of course he calls it things like hope and change and class warfare and......

I opine others can decide

I wonder what a Mitt Romney advisor meant when he said that Sarah Palin 'poisoned the well' for picking a woman to be VP. Wonder what he meant by that?


http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...ey-ticket?lite

BULLETIN: President Obama updates his resume'

Community Organizer
IL State Senator
US Senator (D-IL)
President of the United States (winning in a landslide victory)

What better experience for running for president of the US, than being president of the US.

Yea ,he's a legend in his own mind and come to think of your mind too

Personal Best Regards:

"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies."

I am hoping Willard picks The Wasilla Quitta for VP. The possibilities would be endless..............

Look, I don't need to go to the tabloids for reasons to not support Palin. My reasons for not liking her on the ticket were as follows:

- Mayor of a town that required little work. When interviewed, the current mayor of Wasilla said that the big thing that town employees did was "show up on Tuesdays for their paychecks". There's no police or fire departments run by Wasilla - that's done by state and county officials.

- Governor of a welfare state. Alaska get so much oil revenue that each citizen gets a rebate check every year - the size of which depends on how long they've been a resident. Being the Governor of Alaska means you've NEVER had to make a hard budget decision in your entire term. You BARELY have to prioritize because of all the revenue you're swimming in.

When prepared, this woman was DEFINITELY "telegenic". She had "it" and could really motivate a crowd when she was 'on'. But when caught unaware or off-guard, she failed miserably. I mean, the one "mainstream media" moment that said SO much to me to reinforce my opinion was Katie Couric and having a "deer caught in the headlights" look at a softball question that my kids could andwer in grade school - what newspapers do you read?

If I had seen *only* that, I would have written it off as a bad moment - but there were others *and* her resume was threadbare.

And yes, a couple of years in the U.S. Senate *does* count more than any amount of time as Governor of Alaska. A couple of years in the Senate would be *chicken feed* against the governor of a much more difficult state to manage - like almost all of them. Heck, Romney is WAY more qualified than Palin. He actually had to work with a virulently difficult legislature in Massachusetts.

I understand where you go not to get information but may I ask your reason for sharing all of this.

in your catharsis on qualifications you forgot to mention that Romney is far more qualified than Obama.....using the basis you presented.

I also would like to hear why you think 2 years in the senate (remember it is a part time job) is more meaningful than running a small town.

We know the senate is a glad handing, no effort required, no risks taken, what's in it for me, no matter what wrong you do you can't get fired part time job. Almost any high school graduate could do the job as well. Just look at the incumbents.

Running a small town or small business, unless one has done it there is no real knowledge to qualify for criticism.

btk

Would you equate serving as governor of a small state (MA) the same experience as being President of the United States for the same amount of time?

serving as POTUS does not automatically qualify a person any more than being the CEO of a small or large company.

When discussing qualifications the usual approach is to compare the qualifications/accomplishments/capabilities of the individual.

Just as you know my opinion regarding Obama's performance is negative. So to me and the millions like me his having the title of POTUS certainly does not make him the better candidate. In fact the four year track record works against his alleged "qualification(s)".

btk

Demonstrated incompetence does not qualify you to continue in a job. It shows that you should be fired.

The Iraq war vets who are no longer serving in Iraq might disagree with you, as might the auto workers who now have jobs, or the auto companies who are seeing their sales numbers soar, or the 50 million people who will now have health care under the Affordable Care Act, or the young hispanics who don't have to live under the threat of being deported, or the thousands of gays and lesbians serving in the Armed Forces who don't have to worry about being 'outed', or the women who can't be paid less for doing the same work as their male counterparts under 'The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009', or the six million young people who have health insurance under their parent's health insurance plans until they are 26 years old, or the people with pre-existing conditions who can't be denied health insurance, or the seniors who won't be caught in the 'doughnut hole' when paying for their meds, or women who can't be charged twice as much for insurance as their male counterparts, or people who don't have to worry about lifetime caps on their health insurance, or corporations who see their profits at a 45 year high, or investors who have seen the Dow Jones go from 9000 to 12,928. Ask Osama Bin Laden.

Have you asked these people about the incompetence of President Obama?

If you think Mitt Romney did such a bang-up job as governor of Massachusetts, ask yourself two questions: why didn't Romney run for re-election, and why isn't Romney expected to carry Massachusetts in the presidential election if his constituents think he did such a great job?

When Willard left MAS he had an approval rating of about 30%. The guy has been running for POTUS for 7 years.

Ran for Senator - lost
Ran for POTUS in 2008 - lost
Running for POTUS again in 2012 - will lose again

because he figured if Obama could do what he did or didn't and run for POTUS and win, why not? :jester:

You all want to keep looking at the political spin by looking at the job or the title.

How about just looking at the capability of the man.....and to be fair you must compare Obama when he was a candidate to Romney as a candidate.
Two resume's to be compared at like points in time.

btk

I read through this thread today and do not have much to add except to note the uncivil tone of some posters. Now it doesn’t surprise me that most of them come from the Left. I am convinced that they all study Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Rule Number 5 is, and I quote,

“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”