Agree 100%.
We Americans are fickle and have very short memories and ready for something new tomorrow.
The terrorists on the other hand are patient in waiting to accomplish their objectives.
How long did it take for them to take a second, more destructive shot at the world trade center?
They will happily wait us out what ever number of years it takes. And we all know it will not be 10 years away.

Obama sure chose a very stupid legacy....aiding and abetting the most radical terrorist country on the planet.

Dear Guest: I didn't say the failure of this negotiation was because Obama is black. I said his manifest incompetence since taking office has been allowed to continue because he is black. and while he has a white mother it is clear that his action manner tone etc show he prefers to be looked upon as black

Finally I am quite familiar with the old saw "keep your friend close and your enemies closer" This is not my first rodeo having been in corporate fights over these many years, and the trick to this old saw is to ascertain "who is friend and who is foe"and to that question Obama has played the fool to more than one of our enemies beginning with Putin....Ï'll have more flexibility once I am reelected" comes to mind

The newspapers are replete with reasons why this is a bad deal so there is no reason for me to repeat them.

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Congress must act because it does not mater who the next president is s/he will have to step back on any agreement



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Just out of curiously … why would anyone be inclined to trust the Iranian deal negotiated by Obama and Kerry? It’s the MOST important foreign policy issue in many years.

Yet, it was but a few months ago that this A-Team negotiated the release of five Taliban commanders in exchange for one deserter. Also, as I recall, at the time they further insulted our intelligence by claiming Berghdal was some type of hero when it was obvious to anyone who’s ever served in the military he was a deserter yet they lied about it shamelessly.

So, now with the stakes infinitely higher, how can anyone trust Obama when he says this deal will somehow prevent Iran from getting nukes in a few years … when it’s obvious that’s what’s going to happen unless the Congress or the public steps in and steps up.

It was obvious even before Obama was elected in 2008 that by association alone with the Ayers, Wright etc that this guy was a radical who would wreck the White House which he has effectively done to date. Valerie Jarret is a Muslim born in Iran and a number of Obama's White House staff are Muslims so which way would the guy go but tilt toward the east.

As I stated before Obama unfortunately has proven that just about anyone can be president and with the upcoming 2016 election I am afraid that the liberal left will continue to lie about Republican candidates and Republicans in general as did their majority leader Reid and without shame. the ïts time to elect a woman as president"will be their mantra and the type of voter who gets his/her news from The view will fall for it as they did with the first black president.

Clearly the years of inferior education is finally taking its toll on us

With all the crap that is being spewed from the presumptive Republican candidates, I don't believe they will need any help from the Democrats in killing their chances at the White House. They're doing that quite well on their own.

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The newspapers are also indicating that this framework is very good start on a comprehensive agreement. I do hope that it when it finalized by all the major world powers, our Republican representatives will be able to review it with an open which is more than I can say for several people on TOTV.

somewhere I missed where they were working toward an agreement and then all of a sudden they come out with a framework for an agreement.

Now they will sit on their hands for the next 75 days and then into crunch time again.

Between now and then? Nothing.

Except Iran continues marching toward their nuclear weapon capability.
No wonder Iran's cheif negotiator got a hero's welcome. Kerry rode his bike home.

You are right. Everyone should just go home and let Iran live in peace and work on their nuclear capability. When we have them really desperate, they can test their capability.

Did you miss the last 18 months when all these world powers have been working on an agreement? These negotiations between the US, France, Britain, Russia, China and Iran went on for 18 months and culminated with this framework announced last week.

Ah no did not miss the 18 months. That is not what the post was about. The post was pointing out that after 18 months there was a deadline of 3/31/2015 by which there would be an agreement.

And then there were the "extensions" to the 3/31/2015....twice. The outcome of the last 18 months, passing the deadline with extensions twice and a 6/30/2015 agreement sign date.

With as many open issues and agreeing to look at some other items later and some Iran is already stating what they will not give up (in public) does anybody really believe there will be any agreement signed by 6/30/2015?

It took 18 months to get here.......18 months and no agreement? Who is kidding who?

The only progress made was by Iran. They got 18 months closer to building the bomb.

Just mark your calendar and see how hw long it takes to meet again or how often it gets reported the powers that be were in a meeting to make 6/30.
happen.

Don't hold your breath!

Well personally I am glad that Obama has the let the issue in the capable hands of the UN Security council after all they have America's best interests at heart. :cold:

Obama for whatever reason has always gone against or ignored issues that are vital to the survival of this nation. Its clear that his famous America is no more exceptional than........resonates within him and his cult followers

Obama's entire work product has worked against America and Americans. One can refer to it as manifest incompetence or intentional ideology either way the results are the same and we are the worse for it. His believability and likeability are wavering and that's why he promotes selfies and his wife make U tube dance video's

This is a guy who was awe struck with all the perks but forgot that they came with serious responsibilities


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It seems that a Nobel Peace Prize winner should have credence regarding his participation in the agreement. Constantly criticizing the leader of the free world loses its impact after a while.

All one had to do in 2007/08 is check his and his wife's backgrounds. What they belonged to and stood for. The people yhey socialized and mixed with.
There was/is no secret where he stood then or now. Since winning the 2012 election he of course has become more brazen, more open and even more could care less (if that is possible). No election to risk losing, so he has become the executive order loose cannon.

If the dems should be so lucky to win the 2016 election they will be saddled with all the baggage and damage Obama leaves behind. And who is it the new POTUS will blame......oh wahat a hot potatoe that would be.
This is probably why dems are a little reluctant to step forward to run.
Except for Clinton....another one who does not care what she does. Just stusy her behavior for the last four years.

And since Obama is a camera, microphone media hound we will see a lot more of him than any other past POTUS.

What would be different if the world powers and Iran had not been talking these last six months. Probably even more entrenched in their beliefs than some of the posters on TOTV!

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Well personally I am glad that Obama has the let the issue in the capable hands of the UN Security council after all they have America's best interests at heart.

Obama for whatever reason has always gone against or ignored issues that are vital to the survival of this nation. Its clear that his famous America is no more exceptional than........resonates within him and his cult followers

Obama's entire work product has worked against America and Americans. One can refer to it as manifest incompetence or intentional ideology either way the results are the same and we are the worse for it. His believability and likeability are wavering and that's why he promotes selfies and his wife make U tube dance video's

This is a guy who was awe struck with all the perks but forgot that they came with serious responsibilities


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All one had to do in 2007/08 is check his and his wife's backgrounds. What they belonged to and stood for. The people yhey socialized and mixed with.
There was/is no secret where he stood then or now. Since winning the 2012 election he of course has become more brazen, more open and even more could care less (if that is possible). No election to risk losing, so he has become the executive order loose cannon.

If the dems should be so lucky to win the 2016 election they will be saddled with all the baggage and damage Obama leaves behind. And who is it the new POTUS will blame......oh wahat a hot potatoe that would be.
This is probably why dems are a little reluctant to step forward to run.
Except for Clinton....another one who does not care what she does. Just stusy her behavior for the last four years.

And since Obama is a camera, microphone media hound we will see a lot more of him than any other past POTUS.

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Two great posts!

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You guys are all a bunch of talking heads.

I'll take the last 7 years of Obama, any day, over the 8 years of the Bush Administration.

If you're honest with yourself, the country is much better off that it was in 2007/2008.

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled bashing.

Some people can't stand peace and prosperity. They much prefer wars and recessions. They must have been really miserable during the go-go years of the Clinton presidency with no long drawn out wars.

Ah yes... the years of Newt Gingrich, a RESPONSIBLE Republican Congress and the CONTRACT WITH AMERICA. Clinton signed welfare reform... whew, remember that?

Remember balanced budgets? Heck, even a surplus under Gingrich!

:BigApplause:

Compare this with the out of control crazy socialist spending of Obummer! :(

I would certainly trust the international panel Working so hard on a nuclear deal rather than a mob of congressman bent on blocking all actions by the current administration. Also, if any allies publicly try to manipulate our democratic processes should no longer be considered a friend and support for them should be in question.

So the only option is to go along with what ever is proposed without question or concern or one is the opposition or a bad person or country?

No thanks. If it is a good deal it will with stand the scrutiny of the experts. The peanut gallery (suuporters and opposition alike) are noise on the curve.
To dispute those who challenge or question is to defy freedom and democracy.
There are too many who have no concept of exactly what the mechanics of a true negotiation involve.

In politics negotiations is misconstrued to mean if you are with me you are OK if not you are the opposition.....period, end of subject.

Politicians in negotiations have little to do with a MUTUAL objective.

Sometimes, going to war is not the right action. Hurray for the negotiators that came to an alternative agreement.. We can always bomb them for what they do, rather than what some group thinks they might possibly do. Keep in mind that the US has a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons that can be easily shot off should we elect a hawk rather than a a sensible person.

They did not reach an agreement. They have an outline. WHo knows how long it will take to reach an agreement.

And it is not rather what some folks think they will do.....the big concern is they are determined to do what they promised to do...eliminate Israel and kill infidels.

Must be something some do not understand about what the Iranian terrorism's stated goals are.

Not to be disagreeable, but they, Iran , have not done anything yet. I am happy to report that the US has not bombed them YET either. We're all just flexing our muscles. I hope the U.S. thinks long and hard before we involve our nation in yet another conflict in the Middle East. We must protect the United states first, then if we have the will and resources Isreal second. Isreal is a friend, but not our AT ANY COST responsibility. They create some of the reasons they are so hated over there.

Let me get this straight you prefer the last 7 years of leading from behind, continually moving red lines, throwing people under the bus, destroying relationships with important allies, lying directly and intentionally to citizens... like you can keep your.......... holding countries like Iran to their demands, being ineffective in getting this economy growing since the recession ended 2009 , ignoring the Constitution, ignoring Congress but romancing KGB Putin, denying Islamic terrorist exist, as leader the agencies under you IRS, DOJ, State Department have acted illegally or not acted at all.....I gotta stop here because I am getting tired ..If that's what you prefer Dear Guest than you appear to be a glutton for punishment....and if that is your cup of tea you are going to love Hillary.

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I am so sorry too feel the pain you are going though. Please consider looking at this issue with a different attitude. I am pleased with the way things in the financial and government programs areas are developing. I try to see your point of view, but for my family, it just is not there. We are doing better year by year over the past several years in all areas of our life. Our stock portfolio has came back to a very favorable position. We have several grandchildren that are benifiting greatly with their health insurance and Job opportunities.

Again, I am sorry all is so bleak in your life, but I am SURE the majority of Americans are doing better.

Wow, talk about credulous ... impressive job of self deception.

That is some list of teeth grinders you have there. And the list keeps growing. I suggest putting together a T chart listing plusses on one side and minuses on the other. And try to keep it balanced like doing an equation. At the end of the exercise you may have a whole new perspective.

Awesome post!

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Typical juvenile, patronizing liberal retort. He didn't say the laundry list of Obama failures was affecting him PERSONALLY (reading comprehension lacking on your part) but your entire response was typical (it's ALL ABOUT ME!). Never did you mention what was best for America, its citizens or its future. See the self-centered difference?

I am sorry you are so angry, but be assured, the vast majority of Americans are doing better now. I pray life will improve for you and your family.

Not to sound like some who have to have a link to "show me" where one gets their information, BUT.......just look at what the Iranians have done with their nuclear program. Do some believe the so called team put together to negotiate with Iran is because the have not done anything yet.

How about the number of centrifuges they have added over the past 3-5 years?
How about the dispersion of their nuclear development and research facilites?
How about the going deep underground to not be reachable by those who would act against their march toward nuclear capability?
How about their open claim to annihalate Israel and prepare to do so?
What would we call their intention to destroy, kill and terrorize infedels?

Just to name a few. I do not believe there are many who would agree with or clain that Iran has not done anything.

Far from it.

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I accept liberalism is a bonafide mental illness, so it is I who pray for you!

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Long ago, a mentor taught me how to prosper no matter who was running the country. Rest assured, Obama has been VERY GOOD to me and my family, and the source of a couple million laughs, for which I'm very grateful.

But unlike you, I care about my country, not just my personal situation. Thank you for the offer of prayer and I will gratefully accept it, if your heart is pure.

Please consider all those more needy who have suffered needlessly under a failed Obama administration. Please pray for the future unborn generations of Americans with whom your misguided beliefs have unduly burdened with repayment... $20 TRILLION and growing by 2016. I thank you for your offer of prayer, but those coming behind us have one hell of a tab to pay off.

The essence of the Iran agreement is that Obama has made the world more, not less, dangerous.

The predictable result is Iran will get a nuclear capability and “legalized” thanks to the agreement (assuming the Congress is unable to stop it). This will start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, with Saudi Arabia forced to go nuclear as well. It also inevitably incentivizes Israel to go preemptive which means we get dragged into it.

Iran, as people tend to forget, is not only a crazy that is to say a Radical Islamic state, it also has historical links to the Nazi Germany, and Adolph Hitler in particular. Why this is not more commonly known is a mystery to me. What a perfect match … Nazism and Radical Islam. Persia after all literally means “Land of the Aryans”

Two questions for the credulous Obamaphiles:

1. Does anyone think this deal will prevent Iran from getting nukes at some point?

2. Once they have nukes, does anyone believe the Iranians will refrain from using them (covertly) in nuclear jihad?

Now let us see how many pages of BS you get of course excluding an answer to your questions.

Saudi Arabia welcomes Iran nuclear deal, seeks region free of WMD: statement | Reuters


Apparently you missed the announcement on Monday that Saudi Arabia's cabinet announced it is supporting the nuclear arms framework with Iran and hopes that an agreement can rid the area of weapons of mass destruction.

No didn't miss it at all ... I think that is purely for public consumption (which you obviously did) but given the Sunni - Shia rift that goes back 1,400 years, and given the shifting alliances and balance of power, my observation about a nuclear arms race is correct.

You see, sometimes governments say certain things, and then actually do something different. Can you believe it?

How would posters in favor of pounding a mud hole in Iran feel if the United Nations voted to have the United States disban our entire nuclear arsenal. Remember glass houses.