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Guest 04-02-2015 07:01 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1039176)
It's no longer a question of "if" republicans will want to kill this deal. The question is how they will go about failing to do so.

You've stumbled into an interesting point ... it's Obama and the Iranians allied against the Republicans and Israelis

Guest 04-02-2015 07:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1039093)
Preliminary Agreement reached. Good Start.

The sad reality is Obama has proven himself multiple times to be untrustworthy.

Thus, I don't trust him nor this "deal" ... it's a pathway to nuclear weapons for Iran and thus nuclear jihad against the US at some point in the future.

In short, by virtue of selling the US down the river with the Iranian agreement, Obama has overtaken Neville Chamberlain as the biggest chump in the last 100 years

Guest 04-03-2015 06:44 AM

Another summary of the content of the framework for agreement.

The article is frought with concern because of vagueness, ambiguity or complete lack of commitment to anything.

The last sentence sums it up .......it doesn't appear that Iran has agreed to anything specific. Now doesn't that sound familiar? An agreement lacking specifics negotiated by an administration that specializes in lack of specificity.

Projecting a signed agreement by 6/30?

Anybody wanna bet?

Guest 04-03-2015 06:45 AM

This link belongs to the above post:

The gray areas in the Iran deal - Michael Crowley - POLITICO

Guest 04-03-2015 07:09 AM

How much is it going to cost the USA? We are broke.

Guest 04-03-2015 07:26 AM

As we all knew he would, he was at the microphones to take his bows. As one reads through the account it becomes worrisome the number of if's and when's that are used. Also the vision of unacceptable alternatives...like do you want this or war?

Anyway here is the overview of his taking his bows, Obama-style:

President Obama

Once again the plight of the imprisoned marine is no where near the table. Maybe Obama is working another Bergdahl-like deal with Iran......something like OK so let em have one bomb?

Guest 04-03-2015 08:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1039446)
As we all knew he would, he was at the microphones to take his bows. As one reads through the account it becomes worrisome the number of if's and when's that are used. Also the vision of unacceptable alternatives...like do you want this or war?

Anyway here is the overview of his taking his bows, Obama-style:

President Obama

Once again the plight of the imprisoned marine is no where near the table. Maybe Obama is working another Bergdahl-like deal with Iran......something like OK so let em have one bomb?

What it boils down to is ... Obama is over his head and has given us "peace in our time" ... so disheartening to see this joker as the leader of the Free World even though he doesn't' believe in it and never has.

Guest 04-03-2015 08:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1039429)
How much is it going to cost the USA? We are broke.

Probably less than the trillions of dollars it would cost to go to war with Iran, and thousands of lives that would be lost.

Guest 04-03-2015 08:56 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1039521)
Probably less than the trillions of dollars it would cost to go to war with Iran, and thousands of lives that would be lost.

How much will it cost when Iran engages in nuclear jihad against the USA down the road ... say an EMP attack over the Midwest or covert nuke smuggled into New York City?

At that point, money will no longer matter.

Guest 04-03-2015 09:21 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1039527)
How much will it cost when Iran engages in nuclear jihad against the USA down the road ... say an EMP attack over the Midwest or covert nuke smuggled into New York City?

At that point, money will no longer matter.


This is the exact same point made in 2002 to justify going to war in Iraq. If only those inspectors had been given the time they requested to inspect for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the world could look a lot different today, and the US wouldn't have had to borrow trillions of dollars to pay for the war and hundreds of thousands of people would not be dead.

Guest 04-03-2015 09:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1039551)
This is the exact same point made in 2002 to justify going to war in Iraq. If only those inspectors had been given the time they requested to inspect for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the world could look a lot different today, and the US wouldn't have had to borrow trillions of dollars to pay for the war and hundreds of thousands of people would not be dead.

It's not the exact same argument but we've already discussed this several times on this board so we'll "move on."

Bottom line is ... Iran is stringing us along, and Obama is complicit. They will negotiate like rug merchants, and not let the inspectors in. Duh ... who could have guessed? You have to KNOW that Iran WILL cheat which means they will get nukes. It's obvious they will never relent on that. Only the threat of credible military force couple with sanctions will deter them. Why is that so hard for you, and people who are on your side of the political aisle, to understand??

Thus, we are now placed in a path to war, ironically enough, because Israel will strike at some point because Obama has left them no choice, and we will get sucked in. Even while negotiating Iranian leaders said the destruction of Israel was "non-negotiable!! WTF?? Obama doesn't say a word about it? Iran continues to expand it's influence military in Yemen and elsewhere. We are now living in some kind of alternative universe.

Obama will sell this pig in a poke and most credulous low information citizens will say yes, we want peace etc but that's not what they'll get. Democracies never disappoint in this manner ... we get to learn it again the hard way.

On a related comment, if you have any relatives in Israel, now would be a good time for them to start looking for a new place to live.

Guest 04-03-2015 09:47 AM

Again Daniel Henninger said the agreement is irrelevant and cited North Korea's behavior.

General Hayden said the framework Obama agreed to will guarantee Iran has nuke's in one year.

All Iran wanted was to get the sanctions off their backs.

All Obama/ Kerry wanted was to distract what their manifest incompetence has created in the middle east

All liberals want is a way to save face now that they realize Obama is a complete failure, congential liar and has an affinity for the muslim world

Obama is one of the most destructive forces in the world and ironically as it sounds he is still in office because he is black and no one wants to face a liberal kangaroo court and be tried by the liberal media as racist.

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 04-03-2015 10:16 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1039566)
It's not the exact same argument but we've already discussed this several times on this board so we'll "move on."

Bottom line is ... Iran is stringing us along, and Obama is complicit. They will negotiate like rug merchants, and not let the inspectors in. Duh ... who could have guessed? You have to KNOW that Iran WILL cheat which means they will get nukes. It's obvious they will never relent on that. Only the threat of credible military force couple with sanctions will deter them. Why is that so hard for you, and people who are on your side of the political aisle, to understand??

Thus, we are now placed in a path to war, ironically enough, because Israel will strike at some point because Obama has left them no choice, and we will get sucked in. Even while negotiating Iranian leaders said the destruction of Israel was "non-negotiable!! WTF?? Obama doesn't say a word about it? Iran continues to expand it's influence military in Yemen and elsewhere. We are now living in some kind of alternative universe.

Obama will sell this pig in a poke and most credulous low information citizens will say yes, we want peace etc but that's not what they'll get. Democracies never disappoint in this manner ... we get to learn it again the hard way.

On a related comment, if you have any relatives in Israel, now would be a good time for them to start looking for a new place to live.


:bigbow:

Guest 04-03-2015 10:18 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1039568)
Again Daniel Henninger said the agreement is irrelevant and cited North Korea's behavior.

General Hayden said the framework Obama agreed to will guarantee Iran has nuke's in one year.

All Iran wanted was to get the sanctions off their backs.

All Obama/ Kerry wanted was to distract what their manifest incompetence has created in the middle east

All liberals want is a way to save face now that they realize Obama is a complete failure, congential liar and has an affinity for the muslim world

Obama is one of the most destructive forces in the world and ironically as it sounds he is still in office because he is black and no one wants to face a liberal kangaroo court and be tried by the liberal media as racist.

Personal Best Regards:

:agree:

Guest 04-03-2015 01:14 PM

How about a deal that costs trillions of dollars, thousands of lives, and made Iran more powerful. That was the Iraq war deal.


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