BTW, the more I think about your comments, the angrier I get.. Just keep it up and I will ask Chels to hit you with some Cattitude. Are you ready for that???? You wanna keep on messin' with me??? Go ahead, Make my day. LOLOLOLOL 1rnfl 1rnfl

Bucco, I have never heard of any of those people nor have I visited the site you spoke of.
Sorry. I do read the world press, the right, left and middle. I seek to avoid tunnel vision.
Sorry you felt compelled to make this personal.
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NOTHING PERSONAL...not at all !

You said you read something that was impressive to you. I asked you for where you read it and you have still not responded.

I did some checking on my own and found this website as the ONLY place that information is....guess could have missed it but let me know where you read it and I will know.

Why do you think this is personal....I believe when you say something, especially in this arena, you should be able to substantiate it. There are too many folks just saying things like the Obama airplane thing which if you noticed I put down also.....you just cannot say things like that if it is not true...if it is and you can supply some sort of source I would be the first to come back and tell you !

I am not sure why you think this is personal....do you think you can just say stuff ???

BTW, the more I think about your comments, the angrier I get.. Just keep it up and I will ask Chels to hit you with some Cattitude. Are you ready for that? You wanna keep on messin' with me??? Go ahead, Make my day. LOLOLOLOL
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Sorry you are angry...just tell me where you read it as you said.

I suppose I could have skipped the comment about where you get your "news" but other than that...NOTHING WAS SAID EXCEPT WHAT I GOT FROM THE WEBSITE !

Bucco, Not sure where I read it last night. I read for hours. I did just google it and came up with one. I've never seen this site before, but here's the article. http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php
Now this could be a liberal viper's nest. I don't know. We should just read all we can and try to assimilate all that we've read. Then we pick out the truth from the lies. Is it true? I just said I read it.
I do know one thing, the hostility of political issues on this forum does not lend itself to anyone learning anything. You all just get :edit: with each other and then end up disliking one another. I thought we strove for unity. Think I'll go back to TNES.

I don't understand the back and forth with those who keep asking others to justify why they support a particular candidate or not. We are all obviously internet savvy and can check out the candidates' voting records and platforms and make our own decisions.
I have researched both candidates on the issues of importance to me, which include education, the war(s) and defense spending, and the environment. Based on doing my own homework, I can certainly answer why I am supporting a candidate.
However, if I stated why on this forum, I am convinced it would not satisfy those who don't agree with my positions, so why would I bother? To each his own.

I agree. Generallly the only time I get involved is when people post inflamatory or untrue information; then I try to set the record straight. Some people may read the posts and actually believe what they read without doing their homework. I just feel compelled to have them read the truth, so they can make up their minds based on the facts not some emotionalism disguised as fact.

I don't understand the back and forth with those who keep asking others to justify why they support a particular candidate or not. We are all obviously internet savvy and can check out the candidates' voting records and platforms and make our own decisions.
I have researched both candidates on the issues of importance to me, which include education, the war(s) and defense spending, and the environment. Based on doing my own homework, I can certainly answer why I am supporting a candidate.
However, if I stated why on this forum, I am convinced it would not satisfy those who don't agree with my positions, so why would I bother? To each his own.
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TRAVEL...your point is well taken however I have found that over the years I have learned a lot from open discussion and have had my opinion changes or made more solid.

Personal attacks are what makes forums like this a bad place. I actually enjoy hearing others points of view whether I agree or not.

I realize I have been pushing a few folks to support their candidate because they only seem to post if someone says something about their candidate but NEVER to support only to deny and that is what I am having difficulty with especially in this election.

Bucco, Not sure where I read it last night. I read for hours. I did just google it and came up with one. I've never seen this site before, but here's the article. http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php
Now this could be a liberal viper's nest. I don't know. We should just read all we can and try to assimilate all that we've read. Then we pick out the truth from the lies. Is it true? I just said I read it.
I do know one thing, the hostility of political issues on this forum does not lend itself to anyone learning anything. You all just get with each other and then end up disliking one another. I thought we strove for unity. Think I'll go back to TNES.
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SAMHASS....thank you for the website...one I had never visited it and I appreciate it.

It seems to be in the middle and that I like....will use this information to discuss something you said about reading things and pick out the truth from the lies, etc. This report which is accurate it seems on the donations, if you read it, is based on 323 total donations and to me that is important since it is not a significant number. The total picture did suprise me though,and I am glad I am aware of it now.

Now, as to hostility....not from me. I do suggest that if you support someone or are opposed to someone you should say why,and not simply post if some one says something about your candidate. We seem to be seeing a lot of that this election cycle. For example...had you supplied the source of your information when you first posted there would have been no "hostility" at all. I do, BUT IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE WEBSITE YOU SUPPLIED, have problems with many sources on the internet as you can validate and find a website to help you on just about anything (aliens at Lake Sumter Landing) and thus I surely do check when one is used as a source.

I find open discussion helps me...I learn a lot...over the years have changed my position on some things as a result of open discussion. I think I am just scared to have folks vote based on headlines, CNN (or any news channel) goobly gook, or what some tells them that goes unchallenged. We have a lousy congress right now, in my opinion, based on the voting we do in "off year elections". The only thing that seems to matter is Presidential and that is not exactly true as we can see by just looking at the long time senators and Reps that should not be in Washington.

In any case, thanks for the website...have saved it for future reference

Thanks, Bucco. I liked your post.

Hey Bucco! I heard you were giving my friend Sammie a hard time! Well, I want you to meet my crew. They've got my back! This is Lennie the Lion, Luigi the Leopard and Antony the Tiger!

Remember Bucco, when you mess with Sam, you mess with me and my three amigos!

Oh, and here's a little hello from just one of my buddies from Chicago, since you love raggin' on it so much . . .

Care to guess what's in the violin case? Well Bucco, it ain't a violin!

Remember, our eyes are on you!

1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl Bucco, I hope you know this is purely in jest. :joke:

Here's the deal: As I've said before, we're never going to change each other's minds. It's that simple.

Here's the deal: As I've said before, we're never going to change each other's minds. It's that simple.

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I have/never had any visions of changing your mind at all. Was just curious about your passion and why...most have reasons

I thought your post was funny by the way

OK Bucco...now you've seen my big guns. You still wanna mess wid me??? 1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl
Missed you at the Crispers luncheon. I thought you and BTK would show up.
Anyway, I'd rather we were friendly than talk politics and want to be angry with one another. Have a nice evening Bucco....and I hope you are wrong about things...and not so that I am right. I want whatever it takes to restore the greatness of America. I want this country to be respected and held in reverence by the rest of the world.

OK Bucco...now you've seen my big guns. You still wanna mess wid me???
Missed you at the Crispers luncheon. I thought you and BTK would show up.
Anyway, I'd rather we were friendly than talk politics and want to be angry with one another. Have a nice evening Bucco....and I hope you are wrong about things...and not so that I am right. I want whatever it takes to restore the greatness of America. I want this country to be respected and held in reverence by the rest of the world.
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Not messing with anyone...too old to defend myself anymore

The only thing I keep asking everyone is one thing.....Why do you support Sen Obama ? What has he done for your or this country that would allow you to totally disregard his past associations ?

I believe if ANY other candidate for President of the US had these kind of associations they would be pushed aside quickly. I realize that Sen Obama is a great orator and fund raiser....I also realize the folks are disenchanted with what is going on in right now and want a change. But change JUST FOR CHANGE with no regard to what we are changing to ?

That is pretty much all I have been asking and promise to behave...I try to be very careful about any kind of personal remarks to posters or candidates !

Bucco, it's not complicated. It's a simple declarative sentence. I AM BACKING OBAMA BECAUSE I LIKE HIS STANDS ON THE ISSUES! That said, I am not going to literally repeat all of his stands on the issues. Here are two links below:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

I agree with his positions. This is why I'm voting for him. I really can't make it any clearer than that. This is not just voting for change, this is voting for a man I believe in. I think he will be a stellar President of the United States. :#1:

We’ve had good presidents with little experience and bad presidents with lots of experience. The really undecided voter should focus on policies, judgement, knowledge, intellectual capacity, character and the candidate’s advisors. Obama has had 10 years of experience as a legislator. If I recall, Bush had only 6 years, and look at what a poor president he's turned out to be - not necessarily from his experience level, but based on his poor decisions. for being so "inexperienced", Obama made a well formed decision when he voted against the Iraq war.


If you're really interested in Obama's experience and accomplishments, go to this link:
http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Does+...e+president%3F