You certainly do not believe he was just thinking and quoting on the run? It was, as they all are, rehearsed/practiced/prepared....hence, as all such presentations are, shallow at best because it is just word rehearsal being executed.

btk

The first thing you must do to relieve your confusion is to actually read the thread and the related posts you are commenting on. The rest will be self evident to you. I look forward to reading your case in defense of Obama's economic policies and how they could not possibly be influenced by the points cited and referenced. There is a case to the contrary to be made, but, I haven't heard it from the loyal oppostion on this board. All I hear in response are one line partisan talking points that do not enrich the dialogue.

My Cliff's Notes abridged response would be:

Marx - redistribution of wealth advocate, class warfare advocate

Cloward-Piven - collapse the economy by overloading entitlements to pave the way for destroying capitalism and introducing new Marxist inspired system

Presumptuously, if I were advising you on how to debate the topic..... I never suggested it was not debatable or open to different points of view..... I would suggest you did some cursory research on Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto and Cloward-Piven for starters. Looking forward to a healthy, spirited engagement......possibly.

I am sorry that you are confused so easily. I did read the thread,looked up Cloward-Piven and it became evident to me that your interpretation of their theory and my interpretation are very different. It begins when you call them radicals,I see them as sociologists and activists. The term radical has a negative connotation to it so it makes perfect sense that you would look at their theory in that way. I must admit that my judgement is somewhat clouded by the fact that the great Glenn Beck is all over this conspiracy theory and I have trouble believing anything he espouses.

Congratulations, you've taken the first baby step to an actual dialog by disagreeing with the word "radical". Unfortunately, you have by design or omission, failed to respond directly to any of the salient points regarding the Cloward-Piven Theory itself, you know, the part that requires the bankrupting of America by expanding entitlements so that a Marxist type economic system can replace capitalism. Perhaps you can put aside your attempt to duck an actual point by point debate and garner the intestinal fortitude to go beyond your Beck bias and do some actual research on Cloward-Piven, Karl Marx, redistribution of wealth. I am neither a fan of or a viewer of Glen Beck. None of my references included him.

A speculative but legitimate question about the Cloward-Piven Strategy is whether it is the boiler plate for Obama and the left's economic objective for the future. Perhaps you will be pleased to know that Frances Fox Piven is still alive and well advocating the "upheaval of government" and an "uprising like Greece" with the OWA group. God bless her radical soul oops.....make that socialist soul. Wait a minute, she preaches the overthrow of government through engineered crisis.......you're right........I say tomato......you say tamato.

Consider yourself lucky to be enjoying all that great weather in The Villages. I am in cold, damp New Jersey in between family gatherings and stone cold bored with way too much time on my hands. Can't wait to get back after Christmas. Thanks for the response.

again I see them differently than you do. I see them as anti-poverty and voting rights activists. Their ultimate objective was to wipe out poverty. It obviously did not work as seen by the record number of Americans under the poverty line.

a few other observations..they did espouse a guarenteed national income something that Nixon talked about in 1969 and in fact was voted down by the Democratic majority through 1972.
Also in many ways Cand P were late. The civil rights and welfare rights movements had already begun.
To me the central theme of many right wing myths are to attribute nearly every past,present, and future crisis to C and P and to link them to Obamas political past and agenda.
Finally,why is Cand P so popular with Tea Party and the right? Because the C and P strategy is so big it allows the right to engage anyone or all the pet issues that anger people. Healthcare reform,C and P,cap and trade,C and P and on and on. Its a brilliant strategy and when tied to Obama should show some of you why no matter what happens it is Obamas fault.
And a final thought. Language is a very powerful weapon. Words you choose and the way we present them say volumes about us. Some of us use words to show how smart we are,some to insult, and others use words to demeen other posters. Some posters use all the above in their posts. Really too bad.

...and where do they get the language to demean others? They get it straigh from Fox Noise. I looked at a few minutes of Fox Noise when the morning cast members were talking to Mittens and Michelle the Mouth.

I heard them use lots of the same words that the uber-conservatives on this forum use such as "bomb-throwing", "flaming", and "haters". These must be in the Fox Noise handbook of words to try and get under the skin of thinking Americans who are not sock puppets of Fox Noise.

" Fox Noise."

"Mittens"

"Michelle the Mouth."


The language of "sanity" ???? A "thinking american" ????

Where in The Villages do they sell the "Fox Noise Handbook of Phrases to Irritate Thinking Americans"?

Fox News Most Viewed in nation by wide margin
 

Buggy - Fox News noise blows the doors off all others. Most watched in the nation by incredibly wide margins. No other cable network even close. Fox dominates the competition....and they lead in every age demographic. Go figure. :shrug:

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...0-2011/114410/

I watch Fox News because I want to hear both sides of the argument. Lots and lots of Democrts on Fox. Not very many real Repubs on the other networks. A friend once said that he didn't like Fox because they were always yelling at each other. I told him that is because both sides were beng presented. Everything is calm on the alphabets because everyone is on the same side.