I find the opposition posts to be very limited and repetitious. It must be not very satisfying to be restricted in what one is allowed to say.....and boring.
Totally dependent on party messaging.

One for one Obama amplifiers.

Always the voice of reason.........thank you!!

As appealing as that may be, it probably won't happen but it will further her reputation as a fundamentally dishonest and untrustworthy person. Even the most ardent Clinton supporters are having to come to grips that she fundamentally doesn't believe that rules apply to her.

I find it really amusing that former Virginia governor McDonald - a staunch Republican (known as Gov. Probe) is now going to be in the slammer for quite a while.

...and the Dumpublicans:loco:wonder why Virginia changed to a Blue State.

Are you capable of being able to make a Point without name calling.

Are you that crude and rude face to face?

Pee poor representation of your party.

I'm a conservative but I think Obama might be right. It all boils down to who can deliver the most "something for nothing" and doesn't ask for any kind of sacrifice. Most posters in this forum have no idea of the hole that has been dug by our generation, long before Obama. He is just convenient.

Can anyone say troll? What for pointing out the obvious! Hey dude, try strings two sentences together. I would really be careful. The stress may put you in the hospital. You are the clown that laughs at his own jokes.

Don't throw any praise at Mr. Voice of Reason. This is the guy, who said he reads both sides of an argument, and draws a logical "fair and balanced" conclusion. The conclusion is always the same. It is nothing more than Republican nonsense. Any questions that he knows he is dead wrong, he won't answer. If you haven't noticed that, you haven't been looking.

Okay. I am ready for the attack of the one liners. By all means, please do not strain your brain. A brain is a terrible thing to waste. This assumes you have a brain. Evidence shows that could be a real stretch.

Crawl back down your troll hole. You have been told more than a few times you are not relevant anymore. Shoo!

The women of Northern Virginia had enough of their governor regulating their reproductive rights. The final straw was his mandate for vaginal probes if the women wanted an abortion. Invasive procedures rendered for political reasons? Well, these women make up a sizable voting bloc and were able to elect a Democrat instead of McDonald. McDonald got indicted and is now going to be having a tax paid vacation IN PRISON.

Yes, this is one major reason that Virginia politics went from Republican to Democrat. Legal immigrants are another reason. Notice, I said LEGAL immigrants. The Republicans are trying (and succeeding) in cutting aid benefits to poor families. Does that ingratiate them to these folks? Which way will someone vote when things are taken away by Republicans? No rocket science here.

The rest of Virginia is basically hillbilly and even though they vote Republican as a rule, they do not count because the Northern Virginia (educated) over rule them on just about every issue due to numbers.

While I do agree that there is plenty of blame to go around, the "hole that has been dug" was $10 trillion (the total of all Presidents before Obama) when Obama took office and is now over $18+ trillion, and it is expected to exceed $20 trillion by the time that he leaves office. So, I would say that it is more than just a matter of convenience that Obama gets most of the blame.

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How much do you think that deficit would be if we could deduct the expense of two unpaid-for wars? How about if we could deduct George Bush's unpaid-for Medicare Part D?

Do you believe that Barack Obama will leave behind the worst recession since the great depression when he leaves office?

Interesting that you are able to defend your messiah (Obama) only by finding some blame to point out on everyone else. Kind of hard to defend him, right? I have yet to see where you mention all his GOOD traits. Must be hard to find something convincing.

Boring is hearing the same ole "well Bush did this" and "but the GOP minority in congress obstructed" etc. You do realize that your supposed defense is typically juvenile, right?

If you check your facts before expounding mindlessly, you would find that both wars did not constitute an expenditure near the gigantic deficit incurred by this administration by their frivolous give-a-ways. Much more was wasted in all their failures in the past 5-6 years. But, keep the mantra rolling...."blame Bush."

Hate to see you bored. The door is just a click away. :click:

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[QUOTE=Guest;1092867]How much do you think that deficit would be if we could deduct the expense of two unpaid-for wars? How about if we could deduct George Bush's unpaid-for Medicare Part D?

I have no idea, please provide the figures. Thank you.

Do you believe that Barack Obama will leave behind the worst recession since the great depression when he leaves office?/QUOTE]

He has already been given credit for the slowest recovery from a recession since WWII. The economy is slowly recovering inspite of his policies. If it weren't for the Fed monetary policy, it would be much worse. its own.

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[QUOTE=Guest;1092883]Good points. His defense still doesn't validate Obama's claim. But, like Obama these liberals have learned to blame someone else for their faults. I guess that makes them "good" ???

Obama knew exactly what he was getting into when he ran for office. He said so, and made grand claims of how he would fundamentally change everything. He has done nothing but complain about his situation since the day he was sworn in. He had the total majority in congress for two years and couldn't get anything done. Lack of leadership. Now, he can't even get his own party to back him on anything. When we had midterm elections, no one wanted to be associated with him during their campaigns. He wasn't a good president. He was pathetic, divisive, stubborn, uncompromising, and racially biased. Biggest mistake America ever made. But, we have to live with our mistakes. Hopefully, the voters have learned because they sure aren't acting very bright.

The so-called two unfunded wars is an interesting supposition. You do realize that no wars are budgeted for, right? But, it is an interesting subject. According to what I have learned, the sum of the "two wars" does not equal a trillion bucks. As a matter of fact, all spending on national defense from 2003 through 2008 was $3.0 trillion. But, let's expand the war spending through 2011 and we might be able to round it off to a trillion. What percentage of the total defense spending budget? So, if you look at Bush's spending as percentage of GDP, his is lowest since 1940.

Now, addressing the Medicare D. That was a problem, right? The reason why he couldn't get Democrat support for it was because they felt he didn't go far enough. Example: Obamacare. Talk about "unfunded." Attempting to steal from our Medicare to fund it and still need a trillion bucks (unfunded).

As for the recession, it's easy to Monday morning quarterback now. However, Bush asked for an audit of Freddy and Fannie on more than one occasion and also pushed congress to regulate them. Barney Frank(D) stonewalled and blocked Bush at every request. Bush had no authority to force it.

The "repeal" of Glass Steagall, that happened in 1999 -- passed in the Senate by a vote of 90-8 and signed into law by President Clinton. As a matter of fact, let's look at some of the signers of that bill; Senators voting for that change included Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dick Durbin, Tom Daschle, and Joe Biden. Do you understand what this "repeal" meant?

Now, even though this has nothing to do with Obama being a "good" president, I thought I would answer your questions. I believe you were attempting that tired old defensive measure of blaming Bush for Obama's failures? If Obama needs you to defend his terrible record, then perhaps he is not as good as liberals seem to adamantly insist. It appears that the emperor's wardrobe is nonexistent. :wave:

By the way, if you want to "Dis" Bush on something, why not mention his tax cuts? I think that Bush made the largest mistake of his career by cutting the tax rate for almost 47% of the low earners to the point where they not only didn't pay a dime, but many of them got money back that they never paid into the system. If they don't pay taxes, they certainly aren't going to vote for the GOP that favors the earners. As long as the feeding hand tells them that the rich should pay more so that they would reap the benefits, then they will vote for the giver, not the taker. Personally, I think that Bush made a major blunder in that regard. He just handed the liberals control of the government. The Dems won't tax the little guy and the little guy will vote for them to ensure the gravy train. Everyone should have to pay something, in my opinion. But, Obama and his fellow socialists believe that the burden is in those that have the wealth.

Excellent analyses ... but it's UNFAIR when you use facts, reason and logic to demolish liberals' "religious views" :) .... which is all they really are when you get down to it.

Bush asked for audits on Fanny and Freddie. He certainly did. In 2005, the Republican house passed a GSE reform act, which would have created stronger regulation of Fannie and Freddie, powers to increase capital at Fannie and Freddie, limit their portfolios, and deal with the possibility of receivership. Bush opposed the bill, and it died in the Senate. The author of the bill, a Republican, stated that if passed into law, it might have stopped the 2008 crash.

No one could have foreseen the games that large banks, and investment houses were playing with mortgages. Grouping 100 garbage mortgages together, selling them to mutual funds with A+ rating from rating companies. Dowd/Frank law tried to put a stop to this practice, and placed strong regulations on banks, and investment houses. It also established a Consumer Protection Agency. Elizabeth Warren was going to head it. The Republicans stalled her approval for ever. They paid for that one.

Nobody walks away from the 2008 great recession with clean hands.

My mistake. Elizabeth Warren was blocked by Republicans from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and not Consumer Protection Agency.

Never forget the impact of the Community Reinvestment Act. It had quite an impact and is oft ignored.

Again with the 47%! This is the breakdown of the 47% from Fox News. 10.3% elderly. This people are living on social security, and small pensions. Their combined income doesn't throw them into a tax payment situation.

6.9% non-elderly Either make less than $9,500. or do not work. They do not file income taxes.

28.3% They pay social security, and Medicare Taxes. They work at very low wages or part time jobs, which doesn't raise them to the level where they have to pay income taxes. They receive Earned Income Credit.

less 1% other.

The Bush tax cut lowered the tax rate for all tax brackets. There were some capital gains changes. The child credit went from $500. to $1,000. per child. These changes benefitted the higher tax brackets more than the all the others. Other than the child tax increase, it didn't do a damn thing to the 47% of people that pay taxes. First grade math any number multiplied by zero the answer is zero.

The 47% was a mistake by Romney. It might have cost him the election. A great number of the 47% live in Republican dominated states. The takers in these states certainly didn't change the outcome in these states. Concerning the Democrat states on each coast, these states are paying more in taxes than they are receiving back from the federal government. Your argument doesn't hold water.

The 47% was used as an estimated number. No one said different. If you figure the numbers though, with the changes in the tax rates, and deductions, plus the idea of EITC, many folks filed and received gov money that they never paid into the system. If you do the math, a family of four making $50K per year, paid $0. I know for a fact that some folks received hundreds in money not deducted from their income.

It's ok for Obama or other liberals to generalize and scoff off any critical comments when pointed out, but heaven help a conservative if he/she makes a sweeping comment or estimate.

The fact is that Bush's tax breaks, although good for the economy, made it hard for conservatives running for election. Those NOT paying taxes will jump on the liberal band wagon when it comes to unfairly taxing the wealthy. And fairness is when ALL are treated EQUALLY. You want to be fair in taxation, then do away with income tax and go to a federal sales tax.

GSE was not passed because of ONE Democrat vote, according to what I read. I believe McCain was involved in pushing the reform, more than once. But, I agree that there are a lot of dirty hands. But, to blame Bush is quite a stretch. He had no authority (unlike emperor Obama) to dictate a change.

Unbelievable!

I'm a progressive/liberal loon but I think that Obama is an idiot, socialist, Muslim.

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"good" ??? As compared to what/whom? I guess it is all dependent on one's perspective of oneself. I am a good citizen, a good father, a good neighbor, a good driver.

Obama third term?
 

All the posts I've read supporting Obama seem to condone his continual lies half truths and failure to enforce the law. Those in his support either don't pay attention or are very happy being a socialist with Washington controlling their life , all supporters please tell us what Obama has accomplished for the good of the country. The Clintons were broke when elected and now multi millionaires , Obamas broke when elected and now multimillionaires ,how has either one of these Presidents improved you wages?

Do we really need an inept, pathological lying narcissist, who destroys our economy, turns the Middle East into an inferno, allows China & Russia to attack our servers, expand their military, threaten its neighbors, give Iran the nuke, enrage the Jews befriend Islamic terrorists, polarize & incite racial tensions then lecture us when rioters have looted & burned the town. This is a man with infinite tolerance for the misery of others. He goes golfing after someone loses his head, goes campaigning after an ambassador & 3 Americans are killed in Benghazi. It it wasn't for the cover of the Corrupt Lib Media more people would know how destructive the Commie Kenyan is.

For sure he would win a 3rd term....all he has to do is come up with more freebies and of course all the dems would approve and borrow the money from China to buy the votes. Rush Limbaugh said it the best "YOU CAN"T BEAT SANTA CLAUS!!!!" If you do not agree then you can not handle the truth!

Obama has said a lot of ludicrous things. Why take him seriously now?