Some people think Obama is over his head and not as bright as he has been portrayed. I do not subscribe to that view. He is brilliant....dangerously brilliant and sinesterlly motivated and driven by a plan to convert our government into the vision of the great Marxist icons. His success in this pursuit depends on creating a systemic failure through a confluence of crisis and chaos including economic, social and the dismantling of capitalism. Yes, he is the architect of this planned failure aided and abetted by a Democratic Congress. His goal is to destroy the present form of government from within.

I have challenged the left and the libs who regularly post here to convince me that the Cloward - Piven strategy is nothing more than right wing rhetoric. The silence on this subject has been deafening. The left, libs and democrats have avoided comment on CLoward-Piven like the plague. Why? Sad...but...no matter....their silence speaks more than their defense of the indefensible.

Originally Posted by cabo35

In order to make any sense out of the bizarre spending policies of the Obama administration, you have to take time to study the Cloward/Piven strategy. Cloward and Piven were radical political scientists at Columbia in the mid-60's.

Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation... http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/g...asp?grpid=6967

The Cloward/Piven Strategy advocates forcing change through crisis. What do you think TOTV posters, beginning to sound familiar?

The radical duo called for bankrupting the welfare system by forcing more and more entitlements. Cities were targeted to "flood-the-rolls", break the public coffers and create chaos. The idea was to collapse our entire system of government and pave the way for pure socialism.

Activist groups pushing the Cloward/Piven scheme popped up in cities across the country. One such group, the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), founded by African-American militant George Alvin Wiley, was successful in the bankrupting of New York City in 1975. Other groups were formed led by guess who?????? Would you believe a cult called A.C.O.R.N

These movements rely heavily on financial support from...guess who?????
Would you have guessed George Soros?

In its earliest form, the Cloward-Piven strategy applied Alinsky's principle to the specific area of welfare entitlements. It counseled activists to create what might be called Trojan Horse movements - mass movements whose outward purpose seemed to be providing material help to the downtrodden, but whose real purpose was to draft poor people into service as revolutionary foot soldiers.http://cloward-piven.com/

Oh... it doesn't stop there. The mobilization of the masses to over burden government resources provided a perfect storm that was parlayed into "voter rights" movements in urban areas. These movements are identified with voter registration campaigns, aided by unions and are tainted with corruption, fraud, bullying and intimidation by union thugs and other despicable un-American tactics. Hmmm....do you remember recent elections and tea parties tainted by Black Panther Party intimidation and union bulls beating a black man? Of course the Republican Party was the beneficiary of all this mobilization. Just testing to see if you are paying attention.

TOTV posters, do not assume that the economic blunders of the Obama administration are the product of inexperience. That is what they want you to think. Try viewing them through the prism of the Cloward/Piven Strategy tempered with Sal Alinsky and Karl Marx.

The bank busting, economy destroying Obama Healthcare Plan, Cap and Trade (TAX) suddenly makes more sense when connected with the Cloward/Piven Strategy. In one swoop, the goal of bankrupting and collapsing the system will be achieved. Call me crazy but from my abstract, minority perspective, there seems to be some insidious logic in the process.

Hmmmm.....(thinking out loud) How does the Great Global Warming Fraud fit into this equation?

Any defenders of Cloward/Pivens who care to make their case....by all means...go for it. Opposing views always welcome and on occasion, intentionally provoked.

There are copious references to Cloward/Piven on line. I've paraphrased a few and supplemented them with my own views and words. I like one that appears, although I am not certain, to come from A.C.O.R.N. http://cloward-piven.com/

Other references, some previously cited, include:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/g...asp?grpid=6967

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...tegy_of_e.html

Google is a wonderful thing. Have fun with Cloward/Piven

WHERE DID THE BAILOUT AND STIMULUS MONEY GO - It went to unions, billions went to teachers, it went to big Democratic contributors like Goldman/Sachs and AIG, it went to ACORN, it went to unions through GM and Chrysler so union dues and contributions continued throughout. These entitlements are not sustainable and deliberately designed to overload and bankrupt the system.

HEALTHCARE - It is not about healthcare. It is about adding 30 million voters to the entitlement rosters who will become dependant more and more on government. It is about taking over 1/6 of the economy and specifically adding union and government jobs. These entitlements are not sustainable and deliberately designed to overload and break the system.

CAP AND TRADE - Has nothing to do with global warming. It is a Trojan horse designed to redistribute wealth, payback unions and special interests like GE and George Soros who shares Obama's view and ideology tempered with a profit motive. That is a whole new thread.

LEGALIZATION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS - and the granting of healthcare, welfare and copious other entitlements at the expense of all taxpayers. That would be conservatively 12 million more new entitlement consumers who would vote Democratic to keep the dole going. These entitlements are not sustainable and deliberately designed to overload and break the system.

The plan is working by creating millions of new entitlement class voters who will pathetically and desperately need big socialist government to survive. Obama wants to concurrently kill capitalism by destroying job creators, big business and small business by usurious taxation and the killing of incentive and initiative.

Nancy Coppock, American Thinker observed these programs are financed with deficit spending, the effect of the Cloward/Piven Strategy becomes doubly destructive. Talk about a perfect storm! The Democrat stimulus plan is a mechanism whose goal is the destruction of the traditional American way of life. It is bitter irony that the American taxpayer will actually fund the destruction of his own ability to live according to the values of our Founding Documents. It is not alarmist to identify this situation as a coup d'etat.

As the flow of money from the top of the economy dries up, job losses and mortgage busts will mount exponentially. The Democrat stimulus plan provides for welfare expansion but not for a robust economy that creates high paying jobs. Is this what Obama means when he warns, "It's going to get worse before it gets better?" If we are not bailing out corporate America so they can regain profitability, we must conclude Obama is working toward another end goal. Recognizing these attack methods reveals the only logical response -- an unwavering wall of "No!"

Folks, if you don't see the hammer and sickle of Marxism in these current events......you really need to research the Cloward-Piven strategy and Obama's cold, unapologetic and calculating step by step pursuit and implementation of that plan....before it's too late.

Sorry for being long of wind....way too much time on my hands today....can't fish until Friday.

I think it is important to remember that not only does the Cloward-Piven strategy require the financial collapse of the country and the reliance of Americans on the government for support, but also to render our Constitution impotent and irrelevant. The unconstitutional laws and policies already being implemented by the Obama regime are a deliberate part of the strategy as well.

http://indycons.net/Documents/ClowardPiven.pdf

cabo35, would you like to guess who just recently joined the board of directors for Project Vote? You know, the voter mobilization arm of ACORN...

Frances Fox Piven

France Fox Piven is Distinguished Professor of Political Science and Sociology at the Graduate School and University Center, CUNY. Professor Piven'swork reflects a preoccupation with the uses of political science to promote democratic reform. Piven is a scholar-citizen, equally at home in the university and in the world of politics. Her Regulating the Poor, co-authored with Richard Cloward, is a landmark historical and theoretical analysis of the role of welfare policy in the economic and political control of the poor and working class. First published in 1972 and updated in 1993, it is widely acknowledged as a social science classic. She also co-authored Poor Peoples' Movements (1977) which analyzes the political dynamics through which insurgent social movements sometimes compel significant policy reforms. Piven and Cloward's The New Class War (1982, updated 1985), The Mean Season (1987), and The Breaking of the American Social Compact (1997) traced the historical and political underpinnings of the contemporary attack on social and regulatory policy. In Why Americans Don't Vote (1988; updated as Why Americans Still Don't Votein 2000) they analyzed the role of electoral laws and practices in disenfranchising large numbers of working class and poor citizens, and the impact of disenfranchisement on party development. And in 1992, Piven edited Labor Parties in Postindustrial Societies. More recently, in The War at Home, Piven examines the domestic causes and consequences of the foreign wars launched by the Bush administration. Since then, Piven has authored Challenging Authority: How Ordinary People Change America, and, with Lorraine Minnite and Margaret Groarke, Keeping Down the Black Vote.




http://www.projectvote.org/our-board.html

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I think it is important to remember that not only does the Cloward-Piven strategy require the financial collapse of the country and the reliance of Americans on the government for support, but also to render our Constitution impotent and irrelevant. The unconstitutional laws and policies already being implemented by the Obama regime are a deliberate part of the strategy as well.

Good point. So many smoking guns, so much ammunition, so few paying attention, so many libs with their heads in the sand putting party before country......so little time. Consistent with your observation and not surprising is that Obama's first Supreme Court appointment was the leftist Sotomayor. who is an International Law true believer. I remember that from her confirmation hearings. She thinks we can learn a lot from and should incorporate International Law decisions in our precedents.

I just heard his new nominee Kagan advocate for International Law. Kagan, while serving as the President of Harvard made the study of International Law a prerequisite for graduation. Strangely, the study of Constitutional Law is not required. It adds credibility to your post regarding the calculated undermining of our Constitution.

Your astute observation on the Frances Piven appointment should please the libs and Marxist's. I wonder how the democrats feel? I wonder if they have a clue as to what is happening. Perhaps their distracted by the newest American Idol or what Lindsey Lohan is up to. Distracted enough to care less about Obama's tenacious effort to impose the Cloward-Piven strategy on America. Their silence on this board on these issues remains absolutely stunning.

Originally Posted by cabo35

Good point. So many smoking guns, so much ammunition, so few paying attention, so many libs with their heads in the sand putting party before country......so little time. Consistent with your observation and not surprising is that Obama's first Supreme Court appointment was the leftist Sotomayor. who is an International Law true believer. I remember that from her confirmation hearings. She thinks we can learn a lot from and should incorporate International Law decisions in our precedents.

I just heard his new nominee Kagan advocate for International Law. Kagan, while serving as the President of Harvard made the study of International Law a prerequisite for graduation. Strangely, the study of Constitutional Law is not required. It adds credibility to your post regarding the calculated undermining of our Constitution.

Your astute observation on the Frances Piven appointment should please the libs and Marxist's. I wonder how the democrats feel? I wonder if they have a clue as to what is happening. Perhaps their distracted by the newest American Idol or what Lindsey Lohan is up to. Distracted enough to care less about Obama's tenacious effort to impose the Cloward-Piven strategy on America. Their silence on this board on these issues remains absolutely stunning.

CABO, you know from my past posts that I am with you on this. I knew and know from this mans past and his total environment and associates where he was going.

You and BK are much more eloquent than I so I will just say that the election in Nov 2008 put us in deep do do !!!


PS: I hope I am around when the media has to pay the price for what they have done, and make no mistake...to me, that was/is the crux of the problem

You lost me at:

One such group, the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), founded by African-American militant George Alvin Wiley, was successful in the bankrupting of New York City in 1975

The crisis in NY peaked in October of 1975 (NY Times). The NWRO went bankrupt in March of 1975 (Wikipedia).

New York never went bankrupt.

Oh it was CLOSE - papers were going to be filed. But it never happened. I'd moved from NYC to NH in 1974 so I was aware, even though I was young, of the problems the city was having.

And for some radical group to claim they were the reason NY had so many problems is to have delusions of grandeur. Especially when the group itself went bankrupt half a year before.

The reason NY was going down the drain is because they were borrowing money to cover operating deficits, not just capital expenditures.

Yes, unfortunately, there are many who are ignorant of the dangerous ramifications of the policies this administration is trying to implement or has already succeeded in doing so.

The "good news" is that there is Fox News and they hold nothing back from the American public. I would say Fox News is much more "fair and balance" in their reporting than their competitors....but the fact is.....there are no competitors!

All of the people mentioned and the points made on this thread have been discussed in depth with greater analysis on the Glen Beck Show (Fox News 5PM).

djplong, you missed the point. The NWRO went bankrupt. The people they assisted in getting on welfare and other government programs were still on the programs. NWRO's founder studied under Cloward and Piven. Wiley's NWRO was one of Cloward and Piven's first experiments with "flood-the-rolls, bankrupt-the-cities" plan.

"These methods proved effective. `The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley's wildest dreams,' writes Sol Stern in the Manhattan Institute's City Journal. 'From 1965 to 1974, the number of single-parent households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million, despite mostly flush economic times.'"

From Discover the Networks, "With Richard Nixon's accession to the White House in 1968, the federal funds that drove NWRO began drying up. So did the public's patience for the sort of violent tactics Wiley promoted. As money tightened, NWRO's leaders began turning on each other. White activists were driven from leadership positions by black extremists. Wiley himself came under attack for his middle-class background. A poor people's organization should be run by poor people, the insurgents declared. Pressure grew to fill every leadership slot with welfare recipients, rather than with the professional activists who had previously led NWRO.

"Wiley announced his resignation in a New York Times interview of December 16, 1971. 'The welfare rights movement created a political and economic crisis around the issue of welfare which could have led to reform or repression,' he told the Times. 'What we are witnessing is repression, and we need a broad organized movement to counter it.'

"Wiley said that he would officially leave NWRO on January 31, 1972, in order to start a new group called The Movement for Economic Justice. 'In some ways, people are tired of the issue of welfare and the label is a problem …'
he said. 'The real welfare in this country is going to the Department of Defense, the railroads, the airlines and to other corporations through tax loopholes."' MY NOTE: SOUND FAMILIAR?????

"Wiley declared that he would reach out across class and racial lines, building a coalition of the working poor, the unemployed, senior citizens and the lower middle-class (those making $5,000 to $15,000 per year) around such issues as national health insurance, consumer rights, housing, daycare, and tax reform. He explained that he was not abandoning his original mission, but expanding it. Welfare was only one of many paths to his ultimate goal: 'income redistribution.' "

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/i...asp?indid=1769

Thus far today in reading news, the following jump out...

"House Democrats, who are trying to pass a long-stalled war funding bill this week, have attached $10 billion to help local school districts avoid teacher layoffs when schools reopen."

http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=12731769


"George Soros has been making what he calls a “grave accusation” against Germany. The financier- philanthropist said last week that Germany is endangering the European Union by keeping wages down and pursuing a balanced national budget too aggressively. Germany’s parsimonious attitude, Soros suggests, may bring down the euro.

Soros implied that Germany should look to the U.S., where President Barack Obama has spent vigorously and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has created money for the greater good. Soros, the tutor again, underscored that Germany clearly “does not know what it is doing.”


http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ty-shlaes.html


I assume the name Soros may ring a bell...same guy that everyone said during the campaign had NOTHING to do with Obama and surely nothing to do with policy. I realize that this story does not make him openly involved in policy but just follow the lines folks !!!

If Soros is worried about bringing down the Euro, I'd guess he has a lot of money tied up in the Euro. Me? I have a honeymoon coming in September and the Euro can go as far down as it likes by the time I get there.