I know most of Congress has not read it. Those that have on both sides of the aisle are putting on the brakes. I will post some bullets from an author that actually read it and summarized it. I will give a link to the summary and a link to H.R. 3200, the actual Health Care bill, so the Obama cheerleaders can verify what their eyes behind those rose colored glasses do not want to see and believe. There are several sites that will give you the same HC bill but some of them will take a long time to load. Take your pick. The partisan hip shooters can fire at will....those who want to take the time to examine the details and debate our difference of perspectives are welcome.

The Bullets:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get- Cabo is relieved that the government will make my decisions....How cool is that.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! Cabo will avoid rationing by exercise, staying healthy and stop worrying about Obama health care.

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice! - "I will have "no choice?" Cabo thinks my president may have told us a whopper.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise - Cabo thinks we may need a bigger wall.

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer - Cabo asks, "Gee...I wonder why?"

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN). Cabo can only wonder what this cryptic observation can mean.

The full version with the bullets....all four pages.....scary...and worse for doctors and medical professionals is in this link.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...acre-bill.html

For those who need to see the details for themselves. Just close out the two special status windows that appear....an obvious attempt to stop you from reading the actual bill.........just kidding. If you prefer other long loading versions....google and go for it. H.R. 3200

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...=f:h3200ih.pdf

I tried hard to be "sans antagonistic negative comments" but I tossed my rose colored glasses a long time ago.

Originally Posted by cabo35

I know most of Congress has not read it. Those that have on both sides of the aisle are putting on the brakes. I will post some bullets from an author that actually read it and summarized it. I will give a link to the summary and a link to H.R. 3200, the actual Health Care bill, so the Obama cheerleaders can verify what their eyes behind those rose colored glasses do not want to see and believe. There are several sites that will give you the same HC bill but some of them will take a long time to load. Take your pick. The partisan hip shooters can fire at will....those who want to take the time to examine the details and debate our difference of perspectives are welcome.

The Bullets:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get- Cabo is relieved that the government will make my decisions....How cool is that.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! Cabo will avoid rationing by exercise, staying healthy and stop worrying about Obama health care.

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice! - "I will have "no choice/" Cabo thinks my president may have told us a whopper.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise - Cabo thinks we may need a bigger wall.

Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer - Cabo asks, "Gee...I wonder why"

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN). Cabo can only wonder what this cryptic observation can mean.

The full version with the bullets....all four pages.....scary...and worse for doctors and medical professionals are in this link.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...acre-bill.html

For those who need to see the details for themselves. Just close out the two special status windows that appear....an obvious attempt to stop you from reading the actual bill.........just kidding. If you prefer other long loading versions....google and go for it. H.R. 3200

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...=f:h3200ih.pdf

I tried hard to be "sans antagonistic negative comments" but I tossed my rose colored glasses a long time ago.

I believe, after much research, that this President has a very definitive idealogy which he WILL follow.

Thank you for some details. The stimulus bill was jammed down our throat as a financial package, and we are finding that the fine print is making it something else again.

Now, this very smart man, is pushing another agenda issue that is in line with ALL of his idealogical thinking ! With this President, READ THE DETAILS and do not allow his pretty words to snow you !

Thanks CABO for the investigation !

http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/1054/1/157/

health care bill....maybe it needs to be posted via TOTUS!!!

He strikes me as having these visions of providing _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ you fill in the blank. In the case of health care reform the legislation is done by good ol' Nancy and herd of bleats. They in turn get parts that they assign to aides who now go absolutely boinkers with their piece. Then comes the put it all together and what do you have? A document select dweebs drafted and only they are familiar. When it comes to pricing it, well now there is an interesting exercise. Just how is anybody able to do so....I say they cannot. Accountability for what and to whom also disjointed because of the piece meal assignation of the parts.

One big collation of 1000 pages of work done by multiple authors who throw in everything they think their bosses are for.

Big $$$$$ values/cost.....10 years to implement.....a document or even the concept unknown except for title among those who will have to vote for it.....a Speaker who is ram rodding because the POTUS said so....a POTUS who is unfamiliar with what the bill contains.....but wants it passed by next week.

If after reading and listening to all of what is being said and what is not being said....even by the Dems themselves....you have not yet contacted your representatives in Washington and threaten to not vote for them in the next election, in fact personally campaign that nobody else votes for them either ....if they support the health care reform bill.

And if you are over 65 and you are in support of the bill you must be independently wealthy (for now) and don't give a except for party line.
If you are over 65 and you haven't contacted your representative in Washing.....SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't it bother you that you will have benefits reduced?
Your monthly costs will go up?
You and your family will be paying for illegal aliens to get free health care?
(they won't be able to come over the border fast enough if the bill ever got passed with that provision)
If passed how is it controlled? Just the aliens who are here that day? How would they know? No li8mit to how many get in line?

If one just sits and thinks about what has been presented thus far and you are still in favor of the bill, please enlighten me/others WHY? Just what the are some of us missing.

I know one group we won't hear from and that would be the Obama supporters who reigned on this forum about how great their guy was and what he was gonna do for us. Even if they were against the health care reform, we sure as won't hear from them.....maybe that is why in general there is not much chatter from Obama supporters about this subject, here and other communication forums.

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

health care bill....maybe it needs to be posted via TOTUS!!!

I know one group we won't hear from and that would be the Obama supporters who reigned on this forum about how great their guy was and what he was gonna do for us. Even if they were against the health care reform, we sure as won't hear from them.....maybe that is why in general there is not much chatter from Obama supporters about this subject, here and other communication forums.

btk

BTK...right on...the silence is deafening. Conceptually, a big part of the Obama plan is to reduce funding and covered medical services for seniors (Medicare) and front load it for younger citizens and non-citizens, including illegals, who for obvious reasons are less demanding on the funding. It's tough to get old and a real under Obama. Especially unfair when those same seniors were carrying the financial burden of the system in their working years not anticipating that Obama, Pelosi and Reid would plunder the system to rob them of a medical soft landing in old age they worked so hard for and contributed to.

Originally Posted by cabo35

BTK...right on...the silence is deafening. Conceptually, a big part of the Obama plan is to reduce funding and covered medical services for seniors (Medicare) and front load it for younger citizens and non-citizens, including illegals, who for obvious reasons are less demanding on the funding. It's tough to get old and a real under Obama. Especially unfair when those same seniors were carrying the financial burden of the system in their working years not anticipating that Obama, Pelosi and Reid would plunder the system to rob them of a medical soft landing in old age they worked so hard for and contributed to.

Well said, and very true.

Originally Posted by Keedy

Well said, and very true.

WAHLLLL..(my best John Wayne drawl) ....thank ya very much partner.

Originally Posted by cabo35

WAHLLLL..(my best John Wayne drawl) ....thank ya very much partner.

Yourrrrr Welcome...Pilgrim

Is anyone concerned that a section of the Obama Health Care bill seems to require government access to you personal bank accounts for electronic transfer?

Pg 59: SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATIONHC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have DIRECT access to your BANK ACCOUNTS for electronic funds transfer.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Originally Posted by cabo35

Is anyone concerned that a section of the Obama Health Care bill seems to require government access to you personal bank accounts for electronic transfer?

Pg 59: SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATIONHC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have DIRECT access to your BANK ACCOUNTS for electronic funds transfer.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Yes, I am.... they are assuming we will not read it.

"Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt). Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have immediately done just that at: http://fleming.house.gov/ . If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families. "

"President Obama's strategy to pass sweeping health care legislation rested on stealth and speed. The idea was to fill the conversation for months on end with vague talk about expanding coverage, "bending the cost-curve," improving quality, and rooting out waste, without showing the public how the plan would actually work or what it would cost. Legislation, meanwhile, would be composed behind closed doors, and the bills would be introduced as close as possible to when they might come up for a vote to minimize the time in which they could actually be read and thought about by those who would vote on them and those who would live under them. By the time the details emerged, maybe momentum and being "closer than ever before" would be enough to overcome the torrent of objections that were sure to be raised when people got a real look at the nuts and bolts."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...6/764zjvvu.asp

While the above alludes only to the health plan, it is and has been the game plan of the WH as relates to the stimulus bill as well.

This article points out many of the details they always forget to tell you !

The speed in which the administration is trying to push this thru is really bothering me, along with some of the ideas. I don't think something as vast and important as this should try and be done so fast. Don't think anything with such large ramifications can be studied and remedied in a few months.

Originally Posted by dklassen

"Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt). Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have immediately done just that at: http://fleming.house.gov/ . If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families. "

DK.....great post and super site. I tried to get back into it this evening and there is either a technical malfunction or it aggravated the left so much they sabotaged it. I sent an e-mail to the Congressman and hope to find out what happened.

In any case, his message was so profound and the information on the site so relevent to the issue I hope you consider giving it its own thread.

Thanks.

There are a few good one's left out there I guess. Funny how such an enormously complex issue and one of such enormous importance try's to get rammed through in a few short weeks before it's even read. That should give everyone pause. Except for BO and his radicle conspirators of course.