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Old 04-01-2015, 03:56 PM
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And of course we and others who have turned timid in recent years have allowed this progress by the Iranians to get hardened as it is.
The days of doing what needed to be done to PREVENT the enemy from gaining momentum and protection.
Today's approach to the bad guys is definitely in favor of the bad guys.

Does anybody....ANYBODY.....doubt nuclear capability from Iran will find it's way to a nuclear involved attack of some kind on USA's home land?

The USA is too fast approaching wimp status. Not because we lack ability and capability. But because our leadership has been emasculated.

Once upon a time the rest of the world knew what they were in for if they tread upon us.

And now we are in the same position. They have learned we are no longer to be feared. Too busy being nice nice to those who would slaughter us at the drop of a hat (or less).
This pretty much nails it ... when all is said and done, preventing Iran from getting a nuclear capability boils down to a presidential leadership issue
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Old 04-01-2015, 04:48 PM
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Why is there close to 100% reliance/blame put on the U.S. regarding the Iran situation. Did Israel need help removing Iraq's nuclear capability? Or Syria's? Perhaps our technology or our surveillance, but not our execution. Perhaps it would be beneficial to talk to someone who understands their side of the equation. (Just don't lead off with "Why do Jews vote for Obama?") Obama..iran
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Old 04-01-2015, 06:53 PM
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Why is there close to 100% reliance/blame put on the U.S. regarding the Iran situation. Did Israel need help removing Iraq's nuclear capability? Or Syria's? Perhaps our technology or our surveillance, but not our execution. Perhaps it would be beneficial to talk to someone who understands their side of the equation. (Just don't lead off with "Why do Jews vote for Obama?")

To your first question, as the sole remaining superpower (at least for now), other countries expect us to lead, especially countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan etc. When we abdicate, or do some of the seemingly detached things weve done in recent years, they get nervous. On the other hand, the WSJ had an interesting article that made a point Id not thought of given US dominance in fracking, in addition to driving the price of oil down and keeping the shaky economy going, the net effect of fracking is to lessen our strategic interest in Middle Eastern oil.

Holman Jenkins: A World Remade by Fracking - WSJ

Israel took out Iraqs reactor quite efficiently all on its own in 1981. But, that target was located about 15 miles from Baghdad and not a hardened target. Iran took careful note and that explains why they have burrowed everything deep into the ground, and have scattered them in numerous locations. This has long been an area of focus by the US Intel Community and lets just say, as the previous poster put it so well, even with the MOP GBU-57 it would be very difficult if not impossible to completely take out Fordow and other such sites.

In addition to the sheer military capability, the more important factor is the opponent needs to have some fear you might actually use it. In this case, they have no fear for obvious reasons which, ironically, actually raises the risk to us vs lowering it.

For Israel, an Iranian bomb is a genuinely existential issue. Id argue it is existential for the US as well mainly because if Iran gets the bomb, some crazy Ayatollah at some point in the future will not be able to resist the lure of nuclear jihad against the Great Satan. This is especially the case when combined with apocalyptic beliefs espoused by Radical Islam. That is a truly scary mixture.

In short, we definitely have a dog in this hunt even if we dont want to.
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:26 AM
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Why is there close to 100% reliance/blame put on the U.S. regarding the Iran situation. Did Israel need help removing Iraq's nuclear capability? Or Syria's? Perhaps our technology or our surveillance, but not our execution. Perhaps it would be beneficial to talk to someone who understands their side of the equation. (Just don't lead off with "Why do Jews vote for Obama?")

To your first question, as the sole remaining superpower (at least for now), other countries expect us to lead, especially countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan etc. When we abdicate, or do some of the seemingly detached things weve done in recent years, they get nervous. On the other hand, the WSJ had an interesting article that made a point Id not thought of given US dominance in fracking, in addition to driving the price of oil down and keeping the shaky economy going, the net effect of fracking is to lessen our strategic interest in Middle Eastern oil.

Holman Jenkins: A World Remade by Fracking - WSJ

Israel took out Iraqs reactor quite efficiently all on its own in 1981. But, that target was located about 15 miles from Baghdad and not a hardened target. Iran took careful note and that explains why they have burrowed everything deep into the ground, and have scattered them in numerous locations. This has long been an area of focus by the US Intel Community and lets just say, as the previous poster put it so well, even with the MOP GBU-57 it would be very difficult if not impossible to completely take out Fordow and other such sites.

In addition to the sheer military capability, the more important factor is the opponent needs to have some fear you might actually use it. In this case, they have no fear for obvious reasons which, ironically, actually raises the risk to us vs lowering it.

For Israel, an Iranian bomb is a genuinely existential issue. Id argue it is existential for the US as well mainly because if Iran gets the bomb, some crazy Ayatollah at some point in the future will not be able to resist the lure of nuclear jihad against the Great Satan. This is especially the case when combined with apocalyptic beliefs espoused by Radical Islam. That is a truly scary mixture.

In short, we definitely have a dog in this hunt even if we dont want to.
Nice thoughtful post!

Just when I was considering giving up on this site due to the sniping one sentence responses, here you go and restore my faith.

I'll hang a bit longer, but all the racist one sentence responses are juvenile.

Other than a very few posters, it doesn't seem like people want to formulate any original thought beyond a single sentence and share it. So be it...lots of other more active sites with intelligent commentary.

Thanks for the post.
 

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