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Guest 03-08-2012 09:03 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464134)
Ok. He didn't personally go to the court house. His minions took care of it. When he ran for state senate he was able to get all three of his opponents knocked off the ballot. You're right. Chicago politics.

Not sure if there is anything here with the Illinois State Senate race. Cannot see why there would be anything other than the rival candidates not getting enough signatures to be put on the ballot. Illinois Senate elections of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Guest 03-08-2012 10:39 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464139)
Richie, where have you been for the past four or five years? ;-) Read Obama's books, listen to what he says, look at the people he surrounds himself with now; not just in his younger, formative years. It isn't anything new or something that needs additional documentation. The man is a Progressive with a mindset to fundamentally change America and interpret the US Constitution to his agenda.

Selective posting....

THANKS BKCUNNINGHAM....

Tried to get folks attention on this board in 2008 about this guys background and how he has conned folks for years and years.

BK is right on....READ HIS BOOKS..they dont even jive up with facts.

I supplied many many links on here and was called all kind of names...even worse than Limbaugh's choice.....I was overreacting, etc.

The President is NOT what he appears to be...he is a player of the greatest magnitude and I might add talent...he is good at it.

Can you imagine Romney, Gingerich or Santorium having the associations this guy has had in his past ? Can you imagine any of them having a pastor like Wright as a MENTOR ? None of whatever he does makes the mainstream media YET, they dissect any slip ups from the right no matter how minor.

I feel much better posting now, since it appears after the Limbaugh thing thing and the release of the Maher comments.....it is now considered ok to call anyone, including the President anything we want since Maher was crude and actually filthy referring to a sitting senator, a governor and candidate for VP.

Thanks again BK CUNNINGHAM

Guest 03-08-2012 10:52 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464194)
Selective posting....

THANKS BKCUNNINGHAM....

Tried to get folks attention on this board in 2008 about this guys background and how he has conned folks for years and years.

BK is right on....READ HIS BOOKS..they dont even jive up with facts.

I supplied many many links on here and was called all kind of names...even worse than Limbaugh's choice.....I was overreacting, etc.

The President is NOT what he appears to be...he is a player of the greatest magnitude and I might add talent...he is good at it.

Can you imagine Romney, Gingerich or Santorium having the associations this guy has had in his past ? Can you imagine any of them having a pastor like Wright as a MENTOR ? None of whatever he does makes the mainstream media YET, they dissect any slip ups from the right no matter how minor.

I feel much better posting now, since it appears after the Limbaugh thing thing and the release of the Maher comments.....it is now considered ok to call anyone, including the President anything we want since Maher was crude and actually filthy referring to a sitting senator, a governor and candidate for VP.

Thanks again BK CUNNINGHAM

If you can back it up, BK CUNNINGHAM. There are a lot of things you cannot say about a public figure without it being libelous. They have some protections.

Guest 03-08-2012 11:06 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464209)
If you can back it up, BK CUNNINGHAM. There are a lot of things you cannot say about a public figure without it being libelous. They have some protections.

Can you call a sitting US senator....."Boobs" ?

Can you call a candidate for VP........"expletive deleted" ?

Be specific.....candidates for Rep presidential have been called by various names, character questioned, etc.......can that be done ?

Dont speak in generalities.....the above seemed to be welcome for some posters on here...you ok with them ? Does the R or D after the name make a difference ?

Guest 03-08-2012 11:08 AM

You have been saying it for years, Bucco. You are right about what the media would do if any of the current Republican candidates had associates or agendas that mirrored Obama's. Admiration by the Progressives of the radical activist Saul Alinsky isn't news. Even Hillary Clinton's senior thesis on Alinsky is a well known fact. They are proud of their views and openly tout their beliefs and their desires to change and control America.

Guest 03-08-2012 11:11 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464220)
Can you call a sitting US senator....."Boobs" ?

Can you call a candidate for VP........"expletive deleted" ?

Be specific.....candidates for Rep presidential have been called by various names, character questioned, etc.......can that be done ?

Dont speak in generalities.....the above seemed to be welcome for some posters on here...you ok with them ? Does the R or D after the name make a difference ?

You can certainly call seated politicians any name you want to.

I would think that you cannot accuse them of criminal wrongdoing without a very good reason; nor question their mental or physical health without some grounds; nor accuse them of child abuse; nor accuse them of cheating on their spouses; etc.

This link seems to be especially relevant about what posters on the Internet can write:

http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/archives/12827


Some other links:
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/per...efamation.html

http://www.writing-world.com/rights/libel.shtml

http://www.medialaw.org/Content/Navi...Libel_FAQs.htm

Guest 03-08-2012 11:20 AM

What part do you want documented, @Taltarzac725?

Guest 03-08-2012 11:24 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464223)
You have been saying it for years, Bucco. You are right about what the media would do if any of the current Republican candidates had associates or agendas that mirrored Obama's. Admiration by the Progressives of the radical activist Saul Alinsky isn't news. Even Hillary Clinton's senior thesis on Alinsky is a well known fact. They are proud of their views and openly tout their beliefs and their desires to change and control America.

And yet, because of love of party, the beat goes on.

I keep thinking of this man, President Obama, saying with a straight face how the health care battle would be aired publicy and how warm a reception that got...how it had to be done in public because that was the right thing to do. I recall him saying that the health care discussion HAD to be about reducing health care costs.

I also recall the debate being held in back rooms, including payoffs to get the votes, and then the media just accepting that. I recall and KNOW that the current health care bill DOES NOT ADDRESS THE COST OF HEALTH CARE AT ALL, yet he still gets a pass from the media.

Allow him to continue and allow Chris Matthews (is he still considered in the media) to keep the tingles up his leg and see where our country is.

The MSM has got to be beaten in addition to the Democrats.

And do not give me any grief on Fox...sick of it. It is, and will be, the mantra of the left with absolutely no justification...I dont watch it but listen to the comments on here and NEVER ONCE saw any bias....on the other hand, listen to the commericals on MSNBC.....if they are not paid by the DNC....oh wait.....Soros will do that and we all know his goals, dont we ?

If it were not for Fox, consider what is left...so even if they lean right, they are vital !

Guest 03-08-2012 11:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464229)
What part do you want documented, @Taltarzac725?

I have not actually read any of Obama's books. How do they not "jive up with the facts"?

Guest 03-08-2012 11:50 AM

Drums keep pounding rythm to the brain....la de da de de..la de da de dum. :grumpy:

Guest 03-08-2012 01:52 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464239)
I have not actually read any of Obama's books. How do they not "jive up with the facts"?

I'm not sure what Bucco meant doesn't jive in Obama's books, Taltarzac, except for things like the Life or "Ebony" magazine article and photos that Obama wrote about in his book Dreams of My Father. In the book, Obama said photos of a black man who had used chemicals to peel his skin to look like a white man left a lasting impression on him. No such article exists.

Bucco may also be referring to how Obama "vehemetly condemns" and disassociated himself and his family with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright - the pastor who gave Obama the name for one of his books and baptised his children and pastored the church anti-white Obama attended for some 25 years. Obama said he'd never heard or read Wright's hate-filled comments or the sermons his church upholds.

There may be other things Bucco is referring to that are lies in Obama's books. These are just the ones that came to my mind.

Guest 03-08-2012 02:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464121)
What exactly do you mean about "records sealed". There are privacy laws for a reason. There are some things that would be off limits like medical records, maybe some grades, some juvenile schools records, etc.


What are the holes you are pointing at in this Wikipedia article?-- Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I rarely look to Wiki for accuracy and no serious researcher does, and I certainly will not take the time to fact check them.

If you don't know what I mean by "records sealed" you haven't been paying attention.

Guest 03-08-2012 02:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464123)
Privacy laws didn't stop President Obama from getting divorce records "unsealed" of two of his opponents, in Chicago.

Seriously......typical leftist hypocrisy.

Guest 03-08-2012 02:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464308)
I'm not sure what Bucco meant doesn't jive in Obama's books, Taltarzac, except for things like the Life or "Ebony" magazine article and photos that Obama wrote about in his book Dreams of My Father. In the book, Obama said photos of a black man who had used chemicals to peel his skin to look like a white man left a lasting impression on him. No such article exists.

Bucco may also be referring to how Obama "vehemetly condemns" and disassociated himself and his family with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright - the pastor who gave Obama the name for one of his books and baptised his children and pastored the church anti-white Obama attended for some 25 years. Obama said he'd never heard or read Wright's hate-filled comments or the sermons his church upholds.

There may be other things Bucco is referring to that are lies in Obama's books. These are just the ones that came to my mind.

Actually, the Jeremiah Wright stuff just boggles my mind that the media just accepted what he said...NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY should be able to get away with that.

I am embarassed to tell you that the differences were minor, and I said that in 2008, but strikes me as odd, first of all that a man of his age would write about himself at the young age he did and how a man that age could make ANY mistakes.....but they were minor and I will search my archives to get the links I provided a few years ago.

I might add that I just completed "JOBS", the biography of Steve Jobs and he was a bit critical of Obama.....he told the President that he would be a one term president based on making no efforts to stop how easy it was for companies like Apple to open shop in China and that his advocating the unions should stop because they were crippling us, including any chance at all of any education reform.

Guest 03-08-2012 02:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464139)
Richie, where have you been for the past four or five years? ;-) Read Obama's books, listen to what he says, look at the people he surrounds himself with now; not just in his younger, formative years. It isn't anything new or something that needs additional documentation. The man is a Progressive with a mindset to fundamentally change America and interpret the US Constitution to his agenda.

Nobody cares about that BK. This is a bit more flashy and "in your face". People need instant gratification. Read??...you think these people read?..... have you been seeing these liberal posts?

Guest 03-08-2012 03:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464340)
I rarely look to Wiki for accuracy and no serious researcher does, and I certainly will not take the time to fact check them.

If you don't know what I mean by "records sealed" you haven't been paying attention.

As I know you are aware of RICHIE, I would suggest, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO MADE AN ISSUE OF PRESIDENT BUSH'S GRADES to try and find any of the Presidents grades at Harvard...you wont..he sealed them...and his SAT's also.

PS...I might add that the issue is NOT whether he was a good or bad student....simply how his entire life is shrouded with shadows. Does not mean he is a criminal or anything....just WHY all the secrecy and shadows ? He did know some people but when it comes out if politically unfavorable, he really didnt know them.....Rev Wright was his mentor, the man he looked up to...then when it became not politically expediant, he hardly knew the man...never heard any of the stuff.

AND MOST IMPORTANT...our media just simply accepts it...TOTALLY

Guest 03-08-2012 03:30 PM

And just what will his grades or his SAT scores prove? My guess is that he got good grades and that he's an intelligent invidual. Ooooooh....that is scare stuff isnt' it? :grumpy:

Guest 03-08-2012 03:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464368)
And just what will his grades or his SAT scores prove? My guess is that he got good grades and that he's an intelligent invidual. Ooooooh....that is scare stuff isnt' it? :grumpy:


It is part of the overall ....not sure what to call it.....seal the grades, the video last night was not only hidden but edited, dont allow anyone to question some figures from the past and on and on....it is part of what has been the making of a President, and my personal objection is that NOBODY could get away with as much "hidden secrets" as he has with absolutely no backlash.

Imagine we find out that you cannot get to Romneys background..not all of it, just little things like past associations, his church life, his actual beliefs, a mentor who preaches Wright teaches, a video surfaces and it is edited and hidden from view. What can you imagine the press might do with that ?

Guest 03-08-2012 03:53 PM

If there is nothing to hide, why give the appearance of something inappropriate, Dale? Why be secretive yet talk about openness? It just makes fodder for people to say that perhaps his grades weren't up to par, he was registered as a foreign student or he received a scholarship from someone else associated with Alinsky.

Guest 03-08-2012 04:12 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464392)
If there is nothing to hide, why give the appearance of something inappropriate, Dale? Why be secretive yet talk about openness? It just makes fodder for people to say that perhaps his grades weren't up to par, he was registered as a foreign student or he received a scholarship from someone else associated with Alinsky.

Here are the known facts: President Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University. While attending Harvard, he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. Sounds a lot like "his grades weren't up to par".

How did that whole investigation of George W Bush's grades at Yale work out? The only accomplishment I ever heard about his undergrad days was that he was a cheerleader.

Guest 03-08-2012 04:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464392)
If there is nothing to hide, why give the appearance of something inappropriate, Dale? Why be secretive yet talk about openness? It just makes fodder for people to say that perhaps his grades weren't up to par, he was registered as a foreign student or he received a scholarship from someone else associated with Alinsky.

Two reasons to withhold. 1. the right wingnuts want the info, and 2. it's irrelevent. Thats' easy enough. :grumpy:

Guest 03-08-2012 04:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464401)
Here are the known facts: President Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University. While attending Harvard, he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. Sounds a lot like "his grades weren't up to par".

How did that whole investigation of George W Bush's grades at Yale work out? The only accomplishment I ever heard about his undergrad days was that he was a cheerleader.

Bush has his grades readily available on the net along with his college admission tests. AND I remind you that you have been reading "press" on Obama grades.....there IS NO TRANSCRIPT..NO RECORD...they have been sealed and that is public knowledge.

And why only comment on the grades...how about all the other murky shadowy secrets ? How bout the relationship with Wright,the hidden and edited video.....and WHY did the birth certificate thing even take place ?
What was his relationship with Rezko, Ayers, etc. Why are not and have not these relationships been made clear when others must go into their worst past secrets ?

Guest 03-08-2012 04:22 PM

Because the King has decreed it will not be done.

Guest 03-08-2012 04:23 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464407)
Bush has his grades readily available on the net along with his college admission tests. AND I remind you that you have been reading "press" on Obama grades.....there IS NO TRANSCRIPT..NO RECORD...they have been sealed and that is public knowledge.

And why only comment on the grades...how about all the other murky shadowy secrets ? How bout the relationship with Wright,the hidden and edited video.....and WHY did the birth certificate thing even take place ?
What was his relationship with Rezko, Ayers, etc. Why are not and have not these relationships been made clear when others must go into their worst past secrets ?

Please post a link to Bush's grades and college admission tests. Do you also have a link to Bush's military records?

Guest 03-08-2012 04:26 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464412)
Please post a link to Bush's grades and college admission tests. Do you also have a link to Bush's military records?

For what reason, Bush as not been President for 3 years, that is 36 months of no Bush, and 36 plus months of Obama. Time to stop blaming Bush for everything and time for Obama to take responsibility for the current mess that we are in. For the first two years that Obama was president, he had a Demo congress, house and senate, and should have been able to pass and do whatever he wanted.

Guest 03-08-2012 04:30 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464412)
Please post a link to Bush's grades and college admission tests. Do you also have a link to Bush's military records?

Bush/Gore Grades and SAT Scores


http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-02-14-bush-docs.htm

From now on, please do your own research

Guest 03-08-2012 04:34 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464385)
It is part of the overall ....not sure what to call it.....seal the grades, the video last night was not only hidden but edited, dont allow anyone to question some figures from the past and on and on....it is part of what has been the making of a President, and my personal objection is that NOBODY could get away with as much "hidden secrets" as he has with absolutely no backlash.

Imagine we find out that you cannot get to Romneys background..not all of it, just little things like past associations, his church life, his actual beliefs, a mentor who preaches Wright teaches, a video surfaces and it is edited and hidden from view. What can you imagine the press might do with that ?

Why won't Mitt Romney release more than one year's tax return? In 2008, President Obama released seven years worth of taxes and has released them every year ever since.

Guest 03-08-2012 05:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464340)
I rarely look to Wiki for accuracy and no serious researcher does, and I certainly will not take the time to fact check them.

If you don't know what I mean by "records sealed" you haven't been paying attention.


No just Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News (fair and balanced), etc.

Wikipedia is good for current events as the articles often have a lot of links to more reliable sources. They are not signed so that is a problem with accountability and accuracy when it comes to things happening right at the moment.

Guest 03-08-2012 05:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464406)
Two reasons to withhold. 1. the right wingnuts want the info, and 2. it's irrelevent. Thats' easy enough. :grumpy:

Reasons, that I assume from your post ONLY apply to one group and not the other.

Irelevent ? Maybe, but I was under the impression that in our country the voters were GIVEN THE INFORMATION and then decided !!!

At least that appears to work ONE direction !!!

Guest 03-08-2012 06:55 PM

If President Obama is such a dastardly individual, how come he's polling better that any republican candidate in all the latest polls?

Guest 03-08-2012 06:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464505)
If President Obama is such a dastardly individual, how come he's polling better that any republican candidate in all the latest polls?

You really don;t get it...do you ?

You don't understand the power of the media and the complete lack of vetting of this man. And lets get something straight....NOBODY EVER called him anything close to a "dastardly individual".......NOBODY. He has not been vetted and there are things that need to be answered.

But stop with the typical liberal crap of making it sound like a personal attack..it is not !!!!

Guest 03-08-2012 07:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464508)
You really don;t get it...do you ?

You don't understand the power of the media and the complete lack of vetting of this man. And lets get something straight....NOBODY EVER called him anything close to a "dastardly individual".......NOBODY. He has not been vetted and there are things that need to be answered.

But stop with the typical liberal crap of making it sound like a personal attack..it is not !!!!

Why are liberals like Jan getting hysterical? I find it very interesting.

Guest 03-08-2012 07:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464514)
Why are liberals like Jan getting hysterical? I find it very interesting.

You should have been here in 2008...I was trying so hard to understand this senator with no experience, I actually read both his autobiographies, read through the archives of the Chicago papers.

I was called a racist among other things....they said "who cares".. and this I gotta share. A poster who during the primary between Clinton and Obama referred to him as "an empty suit" all of a sudden found him to be the savior.

READ...READ READ.....his life is interesting reading WITH MANY CORNERS AND SHADOWS.

Guest 03-09-2012 07:59 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464514)
Why are liberals like Jan getting hysterical? I find it very interesting.

I'm getting hysterical laughing at the republican candidates.

Speaking of vetting, the new HBO movie "Game Change" admits that Sarah Palin was vetted for five days. Compare that with President Obama who campaigned from Feb 2007, the day he announced his candidacy in Springfield, IL, until the day he was elected in Nov 2008. If he wasn't vetted, it's the fault of the press, etc. You don't think the Clinton camp and the McCain camp looked under every rock?

Guest 03-09-2012 08:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464684)
I'm getting hysterical laughing at the republican candidates.

Speaking of vetting, the new HBO movie "Game Change" admits that Sarah Palin was vetted for five days. Compare that with President Obama who campaigned from Feb 2007, the day he announced his candidacy in Springfield, IL, until the day he was elected in Nov 2008. If he wasn't vetted, it's the fault of the press, etc. You don't think the Clinton camp and the McCain camp looked under every rock?

Well, at least you are happy and laughing...that is a good thing. You are blessed to have a hero in the WH and belonging to the party of RIGHT (not as in political philosophy). Us slobs have just not been blessed as you have...count your blessings.

How did you find the golden path to adore Obama and choose the correct political party ? Share.....and while you are at it, do some readiing on the 2008 election process...many books but you will not hear about them on the sites you read or the tweets you get.

Guest 03-09-2012 09:20 AM

Oh, I so am looking forward to seeing "Game Change" on HBO tonight. It is going to be up for whatever cable channel awards are similar to Oscars, I'm sure.

Well, I am ot going to go off track from this thread and rave about the movie and the story. Probably will be at least one thread on "Game Change" tomorrow.

Guest 03-09-2012 09:22 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464721)
Oh, I so am looking forward to seeing "Game Change" on HBO tonight. It is going to be up for whatever cable channel awards are similar to Oscars, I'm sure.

Well, I am ot going to go off track from this thread and rave about the movie and the story. Probably will be at least one thread on "Game Change" tomorrow.

ENJOY...and then try real hard to come back to the REAL world and we can discuss REAL issues confronting this country !!!


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