Dick Gregory on Meet the Press while speaking to KATHLEEN SEBELIUS was discussing Obama's efforts to turn votes in Congress. Gregory referred to the president's pitch to liberals in this reported quote. Obama said, ""To maintain a strong presidency, we need to pass the bill," , according to Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who attended the meeting. That's one hell of reason to pass health care.

This really summarizes what the whole issue is about. The president's ego has made the issue about him....and his presidency. It is not first and foremost about what's best for the country in the context of hard economic times, it is not about cost savings, deficit reduction, care for the elderly and infirmed, insurance hikes, or all the other talking points you have heard.

It comes down to one selfish objective. Obama's presidency and legacy.

Originally Posted by cabo35

Dick Gregory on Meet the Press while speaking to KATHLEEN SEBELIUS was discussing Obama's efforts to turn votes in Congress. Gregory referred to the president's pitch to liberals in this reported quote. Obama said, ""To maintain a strong presidency, we need to pass the bill," , according to Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who attended the meeting. That's one hell of reason to pass health care.

This really summarizes what the whole issue is about. The president's ego has made the issue about him....and his presidency. It is not first and foremost about what's best for the country in the context of hard economic times, it is not about cost savings, deficit reduction, care for the elderly and infirmed, insurance hikes, or all the other talking points you have heard.

It comes down to one selfish objective. Obama's presidency and legacy.

Originally Posted by rshoffer

+1 And when this bill is passed he will get elected because they will next work on an immigration bill. When that is passed he will have more then enough votes to have another 4 years to destroy this country. Who do you think the new documented citizens will vote for?

Originally Posted by cabo35

Dick Gregory on Meet the Press while speaking to KATHLEEN SEBELIUS was discussing Obama's efforts to turn votes in Congress. Gregory referred to the president's pitch to liberals in this reported quote. Obama said, ""To maintain a strong presidency, we need to pass the bill," , according to Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who attended the meeting. That's one hell of reason to pass health care.

This really summarizes what the whole issue is about. The president's ego has made the issue about him....and his presidency. It is not first and foremost about what's best for the country in the context of hard economic times, it is not about cost savings, deficit reduction, care for the elderly and infirmed, insurance hikes, or all the other talking points you have heard.

It comes down to one selfish objective. Obama's presidency and legacy.

It has been this way since DAY ONE !!!!

And to Donna's point in another response, it is ALL ABOUT POLITICS and has been for many years as he ramped up to get elected !

that during his arm twisting and then follow up by his henchmen, that you don't really want to be seen as not supporting "your president"....a defeat would weaken his presidency.

Repeating what was said earlier in this thread....one hell of a reason to vote for the bill.

I absolutely hope he gets another dose of Mass. type voting and gets defeated. It is exactly what he needs to continually remind him this is NOT about him. It about the American people.

By the way while he is working day and night on his signature legacy....WHO IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY????

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

that during his arm twisting and then follow up by his henchmen, that you don't really want to be seen as not supporting "your president"....a defeat would weaken his presidency.

Repeating what was said earlier in this thread....one hell of a reason to vote for the bill.

I absolutely hope he gets another dose of Mass. type voting and gets defeated. It is exactly what he needs to continually remind him this is NOT about him. It about the American people.

By the way while he is working day and night on his signature legacy....WHO IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY????

btk

Like Nero fiddling while Rome burned Obama is spending his time fiddling with his Idiology while important things are not being addressed.

Originally Posted by cashman

Like Nero fiddling while Rome burned Obama is spending his time fiddling with his Idiology while important things are not being addressed.

What a great comparison.

I am in a real big funk today...I see this presidency already taking us down a road that I am not sure we can ever ever return from.

This health bill, filled with payoffs, etc will pass...then I just read where our President then wants to give amnesty to all illegals....so add them to our health bill and to his election results !

He will then go about getting the cap and trade through BEFORE November because he will say, as always, it is vital !

All the while our deficit grows....China laughs...our goverment controls more of our economy that ever in history...and watch that grow....and our foreign relations have sunk to a low...Iran continues without interruption. We surely may have some terrorists on the run, but we are imploding with this guy and this congress !

Even the NCAA cant get me to think positive about anything because this guy is going to rush things so fast, as he has been doing that November will mean very little.

PS...I have sat and tried to consider that maybe I am wrong but I keep coming back to all the lies this man has told us since elected and before and when I get lied to this much I absolutely dont trust him.....and dont you wish this guy would finally have a real press conference !

We the people need to take politics more seriously. We need to stop feel good votes. There are enough lefty loons to do it alone. With a few feel good votes added, we're in trouble.

Impeach this POTUS!

Yoda

The Obama presidency as seen in todays headlines...

"That's because the battle over health care is merely a front in a larger war. Thanks to President Obama's statist agenda, America's new civil war is, at heart, the mother of all culture wars.

It's the showdown between Americans who want bigger government and those who want smaller government. And it won't be over anytime soon.

Not only does it encompass and include other wedge issues, such as abortion, taxing and spending, but the war over the size of government goes to the heart of the concept of American exceptionalism.

Either you believe America is different and should play a unique role in expanding individual liberty, or you believe we should trim our freedoms to fit international norms, as embodied by centralized authorities and global organizations like the United Nations.

It's clear where Obama stands.

As he said in response to a question in Europe nearly a year ago, "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I imagine that Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism and the British believe in British exceptionalism."

Though he said he was proud of his country, the answer was unmistakably no, he's not a believer. On that day and so many others -- remember his apologies and bows to foreign potentates -- he demonstrates he doesn't subscribe in the tradition of his predecessors and most of his countrymen.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...giKa6roMSiyrMJ

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. That matches the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

"Excuse me, but it is embarrassing—really, embarrassing to our country—that the president of the United States has again put off a state visit to Australia and Indonesia because he's having trouble passing a piece of domestic legislation he's been promising for a year will be passed next week. What an air of chaos this signals to the world. And to do this to Australia of all countries, a nation that has always had America's back and been America's friend.

How bush league, how undisciplined, how kid's stuff.

You could see the startled looks on the faces of reporters as Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, who had the grace to look embarrassed, made the announcement on Thursday afternoon. The president "regrets the delay"—the trip is rescheduled for June—but "passage of the health insurance reform is of paramount importance." Indonesia must be glad to know it's not.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

We have embarked on a journey with this President and this congress that does not have a happy ending. At least there is so much going on at thier hands it is impossible to blame any other congress or President for this downward spiral to bankruptcy and dissolution of ANY states rights.

Originally Posted by Yoda

We the people need to take politics more seriously. We need to stop feel good votes. There are enough lefty loons to do it alone. With a few feel good votes added, we're in trouble.

Impeach this POTUS!

Yoda

Impeaching unfortunately is not possible, maybe after November.

Short of that our great American freedom is a stake.

When we cannot be free to succeed without our earnings being taken away to be given to Liberal causes (for getting their votes) then we will have lost our basic freedom to enjoy what we accomplish.

Second choice would be for it to be defeated by one vote.

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

Second choice would be for it to be defeated by one vote.

btk

Amen God help our country by defeating this bill so we can go about real reform.

Can we *ever* stop with the hyperbole?

A few posts ago it was that Obama wants to "give amnesty to all illegals". Well, that tells me you didn't bother to read the proposal.

In order for an illegal to 'gain amnesty', they have to go through several steps INCLUDING PAYING A FINE.

Another post in another thread said "$24B to give everyone internet service" which was BLATANTLY false - it was to provide ACCESS to the service, just like we did with electricity and telephone service.

People scream that Obama's health care plan will cover illegal aliens - except only later mention that they'll have to break the law to get a fake ID card. It's like saying Obama wants to give everyone a Cadillac (they just have to steal it).

I just spent a large portion of last night in a long, sometimes passionate political discussion with some arch-Libertarians up in Wolfeboro NH. There was a lot of good discussion going on and the host was, to say the least, bedrock-firm in his beliefs about all the extra-Constitutional stuff the government does (he's big on the 14th Ammendment among others). I disagree with him on several point because he thinks that industry would come in and provide everything fairly - like we don't need the government to make the Interstate Highways system. Unfortunately, I didn't think of the appropriate response until today. He's very much a "state's rights" guy and insists that we are 50 sovereign nations. I told him to show me one New Hampshire embassy, anywhere in the world. Or one for any other state. But what I should have said was that we, as The United States, we much better off than a batch of 50 Balkanized bannana republics. It is our union that had made us strong.

The facts, on both sides, are getting lost in the screaming.

Originally Posted by djplong

Can we *ever* stop with the hyperbole?

A few posts ago it was that Obama wants to "give amnesty to all illegals". Well, that tells me you didn't bother to read the proposal.

In order for an illegal to 'gain amnesty', they have to go through several steps INCLUDING PAYING A FINE.

Another post in another thread said "$24B to give everyone internet service" which was BLATANTLY false - it was to provide ACCESS to the service, just like we did with electricity and telephone service.

People scream that Obama's health care plan will cover illegal aliens - except only later mention that they'll have to break the law to get a fake ID card. It's like saying Obama wants to give everyone a Cadillac (they just have to steal it).

I just spent a large portion of last night in a long, sometimes passionate political discussion with some arch-Libertarians up in Wolfeboro NH. There was a lot of good discussion going on and the host was, to say the least, bedrock-firm in his beliefs about all the extra-Constitutional stuff the government does (he's big on the 14th Ammendment among others). I disagree with him on several point because he thinks that industry would come in and provide everything fairly - like we don't need the government to make the Interstate Highways system. Unfortunately, I didn't think of the appropriate response until today. He's very much a "state's rights" guy and insists that we are 50 sovereign nations. I told him to show me one New Hampshire embassy, anywhere in the world. Or one for any other state. But what I should have said was that we, as The United States, we much better off than a batch of 50 Balkanized bannana republics. It is our union that had made us strong.

The facts, on both sides, are getting lost in the screaming.

My post, which is the one you referred to simply said that the President's next step is to give amnesty to the illegals.....I would appreciate any link you may have to the requirements you allude to as I had not read them, EVEN SO, I am wondering if those numbers were applied to the CBO analysis of the health bill ????