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Harry, you're beating a dead horse here. This is an old smear campaign that's going around the internet, just changing names on the letter. If you buy this, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Bucco, I never judge people on their associations. I grew up in Chicago and I know you can meet, and for a time, associate with all kinds of people in a metropolitan area. With that said, I go back to my original statement. I never judge people by their associations. I'm sure if we dug into every politician's previous associations, no one would ever get elected. I venture to say that would include you and me. Senator Obama had been under more microscopes than most. I like what I see. You might not. We'll just agree to disagree. That's the American way. :#1:

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp


What was that my Mother used to say? Ummmm.."Believe none of what you hear (read), and only half of what you see"!


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Does that include what both candidates say?

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Of course.......

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I don't and shouldn't reply to this but I have no choice. First about Obama, he says change you can believe in. What is he going to change, what good has he done what positive productive change for the American people has he done. He is to new to the block to be president. Don't get me wrong I am not promoting McCain but he does have cooperative friends in office on his side. With Obama I think the next four years the US will stop,(remember Jimmy Carter) sorry Jimmy. When you go to the polls in Nov.and vote for Obama sing a song God Bless America it my be the last time you will be allowed to. Do you really knew what Obama stands for, I don't, at least we can look at McCain's history and have a good idea what he is. Personally I wouldn't vote for either one but I will take the lessor of the two evils. After all McCain's wife has a beer distributership, they can't be all bad. Start singing the song I mentioned till Nov. and think about what you can trust. Obama is going after the college kids, the young people, didn't we all think we knew everything then.

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What drivel. Obama's got my vote.

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Dancer , We know who your going to vote for(for the twentieth time) but why do you have to call names? DDuogs opinion may be heart felt and as important as any one else's. Why is it Drivel? Bnej

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Benj

Drivel is defined as "to talk stupid and carelessly". DDoug alluded to the fact Obama would apparently ban singing God Bless America if he was elected and that's the section of his post Dance referenced.

That specific statement by DDOug clearly meets the definition of drivel as it is stupid. In addition, Travel didn't "call names". Never said he was stupid, just the comment. But I guess one could jump to that conclusion based upon the drivel that was posted.

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I did not realize that Obama's political platform included banning God Bless America. Wow, you learn something new every day on this site. As long as he is at it, I hope he adds the song "Feelings" and the song "Memories" from Cats to the list. I can't stand those songs.

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1rnfl 1rnfl 1rnfl Ohio! That's a funny post! :bigthumbsup:

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There are so many posts on totv about how welcoming and respectful and tolorant to others views this forum should be ,yet whenever someone questions Lord Obamas view its drivel. I dont know how you can say that DDOUGS view is drivel since you can not articulate one single policy Obama has for America other than change and hope. I guess if drivel is talking stupid and carelessly then everything I have heard from Lord Obama is drivel. 57 states anyone? IMHO Benj

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It has become the norm to criticize anyone who says ANYTHING about Sen Obama as a racist, stupid, not able to understand, narrow minded or whatever and that is beginning to wear a bit thin. Seems the "shots" taken at Sen McCain...well, they are ok...just fine.
I do not support either as I consider them weak candidates....I do not think if Sen Obama is elected we cannot sing God Bless America.

I believe that should Sen Obama be elected with a Democratic congress we are going lickedly split to a very socialist government where the Government will decide who succeeds and loses...free enterprise out the window. He is a socialist thinker....not someone who acts much....cant think of anything he has done...a great orater who has had ALL of his training with extremist. ALL OF IT.

Again, it is getting old this constant defense of Sen Obama....I will take someone who has served this country both in peace and war and who I know...albeit I dont agree with him on many issues...over someone who was absolutely trained in socialism/marixism and has NO record on which to make a judgement.

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Didn't anyone's mother ever teach them not to discuss religion and politics with friends?????

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Don't even begin that argument, you'd lose for sure. McCain has had many, many serious gaffs that make one question his mental capacity. And you better read more carefully. NO one questioned Senator Obama's ideas or plans for the country. Someone did, however, come out with a ludicrous statement that has no basis in fact regarding banning of a song in America. We are very tolerant if people want to discuss the issues. If they want to make up lies and spread them around on the internet they are going to hear about it.

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57 states anyone? IMHO Benj

Don't even begin that argument, you'd lose for sure. McCain has had many, many serious gaffs that make one question his mental capacity. And you better read more carefully. NO one questioned Senator Obama's ideas or plans for the country. Someone did, however, come out with a ludicrous statement that has no basis in fact regarding banning of a song in America. We are very tolerant if people want to discuss the issues. If they want to make up lies and spread them around on the internet they are going to hear about it.
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You question Sen McCains "mental capacity" for what you call gaffs ? But Sen Obama can train with known marxists, have mentors that are socialists and that is ok ? Amazing !

Want to talk ISSUES..ok.....Sen Obama has before Congress right now a Global Poverty Act, the cost of which is about 450,000,000,000 (YES that many zeros)...it calls for you and me to feed the world (nice thought on the surface) but he has said that he wants to "reallocate the worlds resources"...does that sound scary to you ? Reallocate the worlds resources is very famaliar...remember the old USSR ?

Lets discuss this act first and then go issue by issue. I said I dont agree with Sen McCain on a lot of things, but given Sen Obama's total lack of any achievments and his marxist background...well, I dont want to live the rest of my life paying for anyone else...I dont want to be taxed through the roof.

Ready for another issue...he talks about the profits of oil companies and how he will tax them more....read some facts on this issue. The NET PROFIT for Exxon is lower than most companies in the US.and that includes Microsoft. If we use his thinking on the oil companies we should be taxing Microsoft !

I will be glad to discuss issues but in my opinion the background and character of the candidate is an issue. NEVER BEFORE do I recall a candidate for President of the US having such strong marxist ties...socialist training and you cannot mention it or you are some kind of racist. If anyone else in political life at this level had that background he/she would be overrun, plus he has zero accomplishments.

So please bring on the issue...I cannot defend Sen McCain on some but will surely allow discussions of ISSUES...just dont tell me or anyone that the character, background and training of a candidat is also not an issue !