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Sam

I wouldn't expect anything different. Maybe you dont believe me but I look forward to meeting her. I hold no grudges and have no ill will for anyone. If you cant take a joke lifes a b...

I usually respond to posts rather than start them. She is entitled to her opinion and me mine. We simply have a different vision of the future, thats all. And besides she is as spunky as me. ( thats a compliment ) Benj

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You know...it's kinda funny.

Here in TOTV we get our panties (briefs) in a wad but when we meet in person it's so different.

I can attest to that...I met gfmucci and thought he was absolutely the nicest man I'd ever met...but...but...but...you couldn't have convinced me prior to our meeting based on his posts.

gfmucci... :#1:

By the way...where is he? Have not seen him here in a long time and can't find his name on the member's list! :(

9-11 day of silence on TOTV politic threads?

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Benj, I look forward to the day you meet chels in person. She is funny, smart, kind and she is my dear friend. If you were here and needed a hand, she would be right there for you.

Sam is right. Chels has become a dear friend to me also. She is everything Sam says and more! I also can't help but be feisty about things near and dear to my heart, just like Chels and others. I am seldom if ever loud and angry, but sometimes I should be, so here goes, CALM DOWN ! 7 years ago tomorrow, America was attacked. We should unite as we did that day. Can we give our debate a rest until after tomorrow? I am.

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RR, that's the best suggestion yet! Let's remember how united we were not that long ago.

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Here is my 2 cents worth...

Chels is my good friend, too. I can't say I always agree with her but I don't always agree with any friend I have. That is what makes me an individual with a mind of my own.

Whether I agree with Chels or not is not the issue. It's whether I can put my opinions aside and accept, value, respect, and love her for who she is. And, I do!!!! No questions asked!!!! Hands down.

Chels is a caring, giving, loving lady whom I am proud to say I am friends with (yes, I ended this sentence with a preposition...pffft...who cares).

I lub ya Chels.

Back off benj...arf, arf

UNITED WE STAND

Way to go Rokinr...
Even the candidates are suspending campaigns for 9/11

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Wow, talk about friends! I honestly have the best! Even when I don't know I'm getting slammed, you gals are coming to my defense. I'm very, very touched. And I love each and everyone of you. Oh boy, my soft underbelly is showing in Political of all places! :o

Sam, Bright, Ronda and Trav. I can't hug you enough! (((Big Hugs))) http://www.millan.net/minimations/to...s/bearhugs.gif

Ronda, I agree. Let's put it all aside until after tomorrow at the very least. You know my favorite commercial was when they showed a neighborhood street and said something directly to the terrorist like "You thought you would change America . . . And you did!" Then they showed the same neighborhood street and every house had a flag in front of it. I cried every time I saw that. Does anyone remember that one?

I know one thing. We might not all love one another in the Political Forum, or the other's views -- But we all love America! I never doubted that.

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Ronda....jsut read this post....you are thinking just like me....I posted a new topic about a day of silence as welll.....then came on here and read your note!

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It was not my intention to be writing about Sarah Palin, since everyone with a laptop, a No. 2 pencil or a red crayon seems to be covering that beat. But then came the pundits:

"She's a populist," gushed Karl Rove on Fox TV. Weird, since this right-wing political slime and corporate whore loathes, demonizes, mocks, fears and tries to destroy real populists.

"Perfect populist pitch," beamed CBS analyst Jeff Greenfield right after Palin's big speech at the GOP fawnfest in St. Paul. In his less infatuated moments, Greenfield surely must realize how ludicrous his comment was, since once, long ago, he co-authored a book that had "populist" in the title, so he has at least had a brush with the authentic people's movement that the term encapsulates.

So they made me do it. Karl, Jeff and other pundits who are rushing to place the gleaming crown of populism atop the head of this shameless corporate servant -- they are the ones who have driven me to write about Palin. Someone has to nail the media establishment for its willing perversion of language, American history and the substance of today's genuine populism.

Palin might be popular, she might be able to field dress a moose, she might live in a small town, she might enjoy delivering "news flashes" to media elites, she might even become vice president -- but none of this makes her a populist. To the contrary, she is to populism what bear is to beer, only not as close.

You want a taste of the real thing? Try this from another woman who hailed from a town (smaller than Wasilla, Alaska) and was renowned for her political oratory:

Wall Street owns the country. It is no longer a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, but a government of Wall Street, by Wall Street and for Wall Street. ... Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. ...

There are thirty men in the United States whose aggregate wealth is over one and one-half billion dollars. There are half a million looking for work. ... We want money, land and transportation. We want the abolition of the National banks, and we want the power to make loans direct from the government. We want the accursed foreclosure system wiped out. ... We will stand by our homes and stay by our firesides by force if necessary, and will not pay our debts to the loan-shark companies until the Government pays its debts to us.

The people are at bay, let the bloodhounds of money who have dogged us thus far beware.
That, my media friends, is populism. It comes from Mary Ellen Lease, who was speaking to the national convention of the populist party in Topeka, Kan., in 1890. In a time before women could vote, Lease traveled the countryside to rally a grassroots revolt against the corporate predators of her day, urging farmers to "raise less corn and more hell." She didn't need to brag that she was a pit bull in lipstick, because her message, idealism and actions made her an actual force for change.

America has been blessed with populist women ever since, including such honest and insistent voices as Ida Tarbell, Mother Jones, Dorothy Day, Rosa Parks, Rachel Carson, Karen Silkwood, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Barbara Ehrenreich and Granny D. Measure Sarah Palin against these.

Populism was and is a ground-level, democratic movement with the guts and gumption to go right at the moneyed elites. It is unabashedly class-based, confronting the Rockefellers on behalf of the Littlefellers. To be a populist is to challenge the very structure of corporate power that is running roughshod over workers, consumers, the environment, small farmers, poor people, the middle class -- and America's historic ideals of economic fairness, social justice and equal opportunity for all.

"Populist" is not an empty political buzzword that can be attached to someone like Palin, whose campaigns (lieutenant governor, governor and now Veep) are financed and even run by the lobbyists and executives of Big Oil, Wall Street bankers, drug companies, telecom giants and other entrenched economic interests.

Populists don't support opening our national parks and coastlines to allow the ExxonMobils to take publicly owned oil and sell it to China. Palin does. Populists favor a windfall profits tax on oil companies that are robbing consumers at the pump while milking taxpayers for billions of dollars in subsidies. Palin doesn't. Populists don't hire corporate lobbyists to deliver a boatload of earmarked federal funds, then turn around and claim to be a heroic opponent of earmarks. Palin did. Populists favor shifting more of America's tax burden from the middle class to the superwealthy, while opposing another huge tax giveaway for corporations. Palin doesn't and doesn't.

Another thing populists don't do is sneer at community organizers, as Palin did in her nationally televised coming-out party. Indeed, populists of old were community organizers, as are today's. They work in communities all across our great land, putting in long days at low pay to help empower ordinary folks who are besieged by the avarice and arrogance of Palin's own corporate backers. Since the governor likes to put her fundamental Christianity on political display, she might give some thought to a new bumper sticker that expresses a bit of Biblical populism: "Jesus was a community organizer while Pontius Pilate was governor."

Environmental justice groups, ACORN, living wage campaigns, the Bus Project, clean water efforts, union organizing drives, PIRG, Fighting Bob Fest, Jobs with Justice, Apollo Alliance, United Students Against Sweatshops, the Evangelical Environmental Network, clean election initiatives, stopping mountaintop removal, USAction, community supported agriculture, Campus Progress, local business alliances, Citizens Trade Campaign, Wellstone Action -- these are but a few of those doing terrific community organizing today. They embody the vitality of modern populism, doing the essential grunt-level work of democracy.

What gives Palin any legitimacy to denigrate that? She embraces none of these causes, instead supporting the rich and powerful whom grassroots folks are having to battle. She's a plutocrat, not a populist. Big difference.

By Jim Hightower, AlterNet

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Jim, In simpler terms, I do not think she is remotely capable of being the leader of the free world. THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. I do not take the Lord's name in vain, but I say to you "Good God, People... This is not a popularity contest. She could be the leader of the free world." I pray the novelty wears off and she steps out of the picture but I do not think her ego and thirst for power will allow it.

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Just curious SAMHASS...what makes Sen Obama so much more capable ?

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Bucco, I wish I had the time but more importantly the inclination to explain it to you. I don't like any of them. We are trying to swallow the pill that is least bitter. Ron Paul was my man.
Guess he wasn't handsome enough to be leader of the free world. I voted for Romney because I knew Ron Paul had no chance and I sure did not want McCain.
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But the ONLY person you come on here and say "I do not think she is remotely capable of being the leader of the free world." I may not argue with you a lot on that..but a bit...but to me personally, Sen Obama is not even remotely qualified, personally or idealogy wise. Since he has been fighting the battle with Sen Clinton for so long we got used to him, but THAT IS NOT EXPERIENCE.

Again, it is a matter of opinion but she is the only one you have made that statement about !