It does not answer me....HOW, which is the big question will he make those efficiencies. He will not discuss it or take questions but this "efficiency" is one of the "maybes" that he uses to pay for the health care law !!

Amazing how sucked in we seem to get depending on the messenger......this "promise" of efficiencies from the same guy who promised a law to cut health costs, who is allowing our tax money to be robbed by illegal immigrant scams, who promised by saying if it did not happen he would be a one term president that unemployment would never rise about 8%...who assured us that we, the taxpayers, would never lose money on his bailouts and it is running amok.

Is this the same guy whose promise you are embracing ?

Ahhh yes, the predictable smart crack....really a help for any discussion.

I suggest you look closely at the situation that this country is in, and what we face in just the last of this year....it is amazing and I can not bring myself to make jokes over it.

The old tried and true "Bush did it" thing is very old....many of us disagreed with much of that spending, but to dwell on it to defend what is happening now...well, the logic simply escapes me.

of course the response instead of any factual discussion will be from somewhere another few wisecracks. Must make you all smile at times !

I sure wont refer to kids or grandkids anymore...however the jokes, it IS important to me !

"through operational efficiencies and more effective care." = weasel wording that means exactly the same as cuts.

When one is going to reduce Medicare costs by $500 billion I don't care what one prefers to call it, something that costs money today will have to be eliminated. Some people like to think for example if they improve efficiency and can now take care of more people for the same money....that IS NOT a cost reduction. Cost reduction = however it is being done today for $500 billion less in the till than yesterday.

If one is saying they will become more efficient and for $500 billion less money in the till we will all have the same products and services......then you are officially on something that affects one's cranial capability.

In the very unlikely event I could be wrong, please have the people responsible for such innovative, non reduced services efficiencies contact the United States Postal Service.

The amount spent, no matter how it is done or what ever it is called needs to go down by $500 billion....call it what you will to be happy. I can guarantee you there will be no reduction in cost without a reduction in services or benefits.

btk

It sure beats the Ryan plan of saying he would control Medicare spending by converting some of it into subsidies for private insurance, thereby shifting more of the burden to individuals. Ryan's plan also calls for privatizing Social Security. Both of those are very bad ideas.

I have never met a family member or anyone for that matter who owned slaves. The issue over slaves was settled by way of a Civil War. Yet unbelievable liberals continue to suck capital out of that issue, capital that is long spent and personally its getting really really lame.

I am not surprised but saddened that the liberal left desires an explanation as to what "rights from natural law and God , and not government mean" I'll explain why further down in my comments.

Whether one calls it a monarchy, central planning or federal government the dictates wishes vision of that entity will prevail. Ask the Chinese people the Russians Burmese, etc. Apparently we have blessed for so long that some of us have taken for granted our blessings.

The creation and preservation of our democracy has come at a great expense for many Americans because they believed that born by accident or by God their destiny belonged to them.

But all of this is well known and I suspect those who feign a lack of understanding can probably explain this phrase better than me.

It isn't that they don't understand it, rather it is because they know it is true and they and their leader's design for total government domainace is now threatened. It is indeed sad that these l Americans would feign a lack of understanding of our basic and inalienable rights granted by natural law and God and memorialzed in the U. S. Constitution and in doing so dishonor the men and women who over America's history fought and died to protect and preserves those rights. The fact that they do so is very instructive, instructive but sad.[/QUOTE]

Huh??? :ohdear:

Define BURDEN as you use it here ? Please !!

Is it with or without the vouchers ?

I'm not joking, the right always brings up the tots to get the heart salve flowing until they send them off to war.

This is as incoherent as it is incomprehensible.

Are you somehow thinking that God made people into slaves of other men?

Can't you answer your own silly question?

Man was endowed with inalienable rights from God that only other men can take away. (that's a clue if your own question is still stumping you)

Right now American's rights are being threatened by Democrat Socialists.

(that's another clue for you)

Not sure if I understand you !!!

Are you equating cutting our deficit and spending to going to war ?

That might work, as I think of it....I honestly dont recall anyone mentioning war on here in quite sometime so I suppose I am the stupid one who does not quite understand your analogy !

Anytime I used the "tots" as you refer to them it was to say they will inherit the mess we are in if we dont something...scratch that...they WILL inherit it not matter what, but they may .....well, as a renowned economist said a few days ago on NPR.....it we did not have all the subsidies being paid out by the federal government, we would have the soup kitchens of yore, AND add to that, factually speaking, we cannot afford all those subsidies any longer ! That might get the point across

BUT if I missed some posts on war, my bad !

Mitt Romney claimed all along that his number one goal in selecting a VP was that this individual would be ready to be president from day one. What experience does a seven term congressman have that would qualify him for the job? Paul Ryan has no managerial experience, as a governor would have, and he has no foreign relations experience. Ryan has never even won a statewide race.

MORE, much more than our incumbent had or has, to be frank !!! MUCHO MORE !!! And even with 3 years in office, Ryan still outshines him in every way, shape of form, except maybe in public speaking !

Obama is the consumate and total politician and he is good at it, but right now, we need leadership and plans.

Shinyness is in the eyes of the beholder!!!! :icon_wink:

"I am not surprised but saddened that the liberal left desires an explanation as to what "rights from natural law and God , and not government mean" I'll explain why further down in my comments.

Whether one calls it a monarchy, central planning or federal government the dictates wishes vision of that entity will prevail. Ask the Chinese people the Russians Burmese, etc. Apparently we have blessed for so long that some of us have taken for granted our blessings.

The creation and preservation of our democracy has come at a great expense for many Americans because they believed that born by accident or by God their destiny belonged to them.

But all of this is well known and I suspect those who feign a lack of understanding can probably explain this phrase better than me.

It isn't that they don't understand it, rather it is because they know it is true and they and their leader's design for total government domainace is now threatened. It is indeed sad that these l Americans would feign a lack of understanding of our basic and inalienable rights granted by natural law and God and memorialzed in the U. S. Constitution and in doing so dishonor the men and women who over America's history fought and died to protect and preserves those rights. The fact that they do so is very instructive, instructive but sad."
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I have no idea whatsoever of what was posted to try and explain "freedoms given by natural law and God."

President Obama was not appointed to any office. He earned it the old fashioned way, by campaigning long and hard, and winning election by a landslide, fair and square.

yes you do and I am done with this thread

If man was endowed with certain inalienable rights (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness), why did some of the framers of the American constitution have slaves and slavery was not abolished for about 100 years after those words were first written?

No, it is Repubicans are the ones who are threatening the American rights.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqsT4xnKZPg]"Happy Days are Here Again!" (Ben Selvin and the Crooners, 1930) - YouTube[/ame]

I was unaware that Ryan never ran for office and was appointed. Thanks for the lesson.

Who said Obama won other than fair and square ? Not sure why that coment. Obama was running as soon as the votes were in to elect hm to the senate....how many days again did he actually "report for duty". I know he was absent quite a bit in Chicago.

But thanks again for the info on Ryan being appointed to congress !! He has been "appointed" quite a few times now !

The right will use kids and grand kids as political props when discussing deficit but will also use them as cannon fodder when its time to feed the military industrial complex.

I should have been more clear. Congressman Paul Ryan was selected/appointed to be Vice President of the United States by the presumptive GOP nominee, Mitt Romeny.

Earlier I was questioning how his seven terms as an elected member of congress, with no managerial experience or foreign relations experience, qualifies him to be president if, God forbid, something happened to the president.

I suppose you are correct...those on the right should emulate those on the left...the beacons of hope, light and the american way. They would never ever do anything shamlessly for politics.

And as a member of the right, I guess..although that is a bit of a stretch I take great personal offense at your remark but you seem to want to talk about war.....and I hate to interrupt your love affair with the saintly left....they got it right....call them names and destroy them personallly...that is the american way for sure.

And again by the way, I used the scenario, NOT THE RIGHT...and I stand by it. If you dont care, thats fine...I do care what is left of this country for them...one reason for this countries success was people thinking like that for many many decades, but if you dont care...then fine..your choice !

Now you can go back to you war talk.....and watch an Obama video on hope and change !

I really should apologize to you for the sarcasm but I am just about sick and tired of all the smart little wise cracks meant to demean other people. Thus, I am now going to return in kind.

The Left has blood on its hands too. LBJ ring any bells?

Buh-bye! :icon_wink:

the answer is pretty obvious if some one with a background like his can charm his way into being elected POTUS, then experience isn't really much of a consideration is it.

Another dem in the news today commented Ryan has no private sector experience.

Please, someone remind me about Obama's private sector experience.

Today has been the most entertaining day from the media to any and all forums/quorums dominated by dems doing their damndest to belittle the VP choice today.

No discussion at all about the specifics he and Romney proposed just snipping and bashing the person or the party.

I am increasingly convinced it is a party strategy to say and do anything, true or not to keep the discussions off the real issues. How about one of you Obama supporters take what Romney and Ryan proposed today and instead of denigrating it please contrast item by item with what you know Obama is going to do about each? We should live so long!!!

btk

NOBODY.. Not even a single Democrat supported Obama's lame budget. If they want to attack Paul Ryan for being brave and offering up a budget, then they have to answer for their failure of a President and his failed budget.