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Guest 08-25-2015 06:43 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104406)
HERE IS WHY.....THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE IRAN DEAL.

YOU and you alone seem to veer this off in all directions. The "list maker" as you refer to that poster was simply making the point that our President has made it a distinct habit of crushing people with words and calling people names if they do not agree with him.

YOU on the other hand simply dodge the Iran deal, which you made very clear you think is just wonderful. I asked you in post 40 to discuss some of the side items to this deal and you wait until you can, once again, use racism, etc.

I am tired of every disagreement with this President being called racism.....I am tired of him calling everybody who disagrees with him names.

This thread has a subject which you just run from and wait for some idle little sentence to have an excuse to go after Fox and call someone a racist. It is, and maybe it is me, difficult for me to understand that mentality. I think the racism and Fox card is such a bore....it has been used over and over and over and over to the point it is a joke and used by people who have no idea of the subject matter and fall back on those things.

The subject is the Iran deal......go to post 40 and discuss the items I asked you to discuss.

If you want to talk about racism and Fox news, start a thread and go for it.
I went back o post 40. This deal was about stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. The questions you asked were items that might happen if this nuclear deal fails. The assumption is this deal is going to fall apart. It is an assumption.

The secret deals were between the IAEA and Iran. When I brought this up, I was changing the subject. However, the first post brought up the IAEA.

Concerning the racism and Fox news comment. How about showing me where I brought up racism. Wasn't it Mr. List Maker, and the person before or after him that mentioned racism. But when I bring this up, I am the racist.

Where did I say that the Iran deal is wonderful? Where!

The Democrats are looking in detail at the deal, and the alternatives. You will get a few to vote against the deal. They won't be prosecuted for it by their party. The Republicans were against it before it was even approved by the P5 plus 1. They hadn't even seen it yet. They spout the same nonsense over and over, "we need a better deal". There is no better deal out there, and they know it.

Guest 08-25-2015 06:49 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104504)
I went back o post 40. This deal was about stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. The questions you asked were items that might happen if this nuclear deal fails. The assumption is this deal is going to fall apart. It is an assumption.

The secret deals were between the IAEA and Iran. When I brought this up, I was changing the subject. However, the first post brought up the IAEA.

Concerning the racism and Fox news comment. How about showing me where I brought up racism. Wasn't it Mr. List Maker, and the person before or after him that mentioned racism. But when I bring this up, I am the racist.

Where did I say that the Iran deal is wonderful? Where!

The Democrats are looking in detail at the deal, and the alternatives. You will get a few to vote against the deal. They won't be prosecuted for it by their party. The Republicans were against it before it was even approved by the P5 plus 1. They hadn't even seen it yet. They spout the same nonsense over and over, "we need a better deal". There is no better deal out there, and they know it.
Listen, I do not want to be rude to you but I will not respond to you any longer (I say that now but some of your posts just tee me off).

You obviously have serious problems with comprehension if what you say is what you think you read. You obviously do not understand that the questions on post 40 were about the deal and what happens WHEN IT GETS APPROVED and it will by a Presidential veto. YET you read it just the opposite.

I would prefer to discuss this with someone who is not simply looking for some verbal squabble. If you cannot discuss it in a knowing and intelligent manner, then our conversations are over.

I am aware that you will come back and say whatever.....but you just do not seem to understand anything. So this will be my last post to you....hope you understand.

Guest 08-25-2015 06:55 PM
One more thing, popular opinion can change over time. Give the agreement some time before you call it a failure. One of the Democratic senators asked the top four countries that are holding Iran's funds, if they would continue to hold the funds, if the US backed out of the deal. The answer was no.

The deal is a done deal. There won't be enough votes to override a veto.The only thing left is the shouting.

Guest 08-25-2015 07:02 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104508)
One more thing, popular opinion can change over time. Give the agreement some time before you call it a failure. One of the Democratic senators asked the top four countries that are holding Iran's funds, if they would continue to hold the funds, if the US backed out of the deal. The answer was no.

The deal is a done deal. There won't be enough votes to override a veto.The only thing left is the shouting.
A political response.

How do I know. You discuss not one of the issues involved in this deal, you have not one question about the deal and blindly support it.

Yes, you are correct, I do believe it will be taken care of with a veto override and that does not concern you in anyway, I am sure.

Same way we got ACA.....American public does not want it......no bipartisan support whatsoever and yet we got it.

This is a bad deal....we have left down a valuable ally.....we are allowing FOR SURE AND WITHOUT A DOUBT Iran to have nukes in 15 years. We will make their world wide terrorism and they are the biggest supporter of terrorism to grow with more money. We ignore them telling us now that they will do what they have to do despite any deal.....we allow them to dictate the inspections....but you and others feel good about it.

Well, despite what you guys say, there are alternatives despite war....President thinks i am one of the crazies and akin to the nut cases in Iran...his words not mine, but I feel strongly this is a bad deal and for the last few days have tried to post my feelings,

Maybe you are right because I have yet to see an intelligent post either for or against the thinks that Iran is doing NOW and saying NOW, so maybe it is me.

Guest 08-25-2015 07:04 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104508)
One more thing, popular opinion can change over time. Give the agreement some time before you call it a failure. One of the Democratic senators asked the top four countries that are holding Iran's funds, if they would continue to hold the funds, if the US backed out of the deal. The answer was no.

The deal is a done deal. There won't be enough votes to override a veto.The only thing left is the shouting.
Would you please supply your source so we can read up on this ????

Guest 08-25-2015 07:32 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104504)
I went back o post 40. This deal was about stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. The questions you asked were items that might happen if this nuclear deal fails. The assumption is this deal is going to fall apart. It is an assumption.

The secret deals were between the IAEA and Iran. When I brought this up, I was changing the subject. However, the first post brought up the IAEA.

Concerning the racism and Fox news comment. How about showing me where I brought up racism. Wasn't it Mr. List Maker, and the person before or after him that mentioned racism. But when I bring this up, I am the racist.

Where did I say that the Iran deal is wonderful? Where!

The Democrats are looking in detail at the deal, and the alternatives. You will get a few to vote against the deal. They won't be prosecuted for it by their party. The Republicans were against it before it was even approved by the P5 plus 1. They hadn't even seen it yet. They spout the same nonsense over and over, "we need a better deal". There is no better deal out there, and they know it.
Same thing you liberals say about Obamacare. And yet, we were better off without it. And there were better deals out there, but the Dems want their socialized medicine and this was the first step toward it.

Guest 08-25-2015 07:44 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104402)
Who was it that said Republicans can sit at the back of the bus?

My response was printing the exact quote about the back of the bus. Fox New was mentioned, because that is the natural place you would go to, if you are looking for any remotely offensive statement made by this president.

Whoa......
Now we got it. Typical stuff
RACIST and FOX in the same post, even though neither were ever mentioned.
You have a serious case of reading into something that isn't there.

Why don't we let Mr. List Maker answer the initial question, was this the back of the bus comment he was referring to? Your diversion didn't work. Nice try though.
Go away troll. This thread is about the disastrous bad deal that was made with Iran. And yes, this is typical of this administration and you liberals that seem to think that a big pile of HS is better than having the actual horse. After all, if you can't have the horse, then that big pile is relative and good, right?
There was noting racist about that comment about sitting in the back. Although, anyone that heard him speak could argumentatively believe that is what he was insinuating. Who else says "you can sit in the back" or "if they don't agree with us than they can sit in the back."
And I noticed that you didnt' get all detail oriented on the statement about the Republicans being the enemy remark I made.
But, nice diversion as usual. What's next? Are you going to correct our spelling and grammar? That usually works.....for a little while. Although, you only show that you can't debate the subject.
This administration is the ONLY administration that has used divisive and hateful rhetoric. And rather than admit it when they are wrong, ie. this stupid and dangerous Iran deal, they shovel HS on it and claim there's a horse underneath.

Guest 08-25-2015 08:52 PM
This is Mr. List Maker direct quote, "Who was it that said Republicans can sit at the back of the bus?" I posted the actual quote from President Obama, and where it appeared. I also explained why I reference Fox News. I was called a racist. But you just referred to President Obama's actual statement, and said you could argue it was racist. Argue is one thing. A statement of fact is totally different. Your quote was a statement of fact. Holding a person to a direct statement isn't diversion.

Debate only works when you are talking to an audience that have open minds. The Republicans have been against this deal before they even saw it. How do you get any more closed minded than that?

In case you haven't looked, Karl Rove is the king of the negative ad. The only way he thinks you can win an election is by using divisive, and hateful rhetoric. Who brought him on the seen? "W". Take a good look at what they have call President Obama! When he responds, he is the problem!

Name calling! That is the sign of a true adult. Keep it up. It suits you well.

Guest 08-26-2015 04:45 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104540)
This is Mr. List Maker direct quote, "Who was it that said Republicans can sit at the back of the bus?" I posted the actual quote from President Obama, and where it appeared. I also explained why I reference Fox News. I was called a racist. But you just referred to President Obama's actual statement, and said you could argue it was racist. Argue is one thing. A statement of fact is totally different. Your quote was a statement of fact. Holding a person to a direct statement isn't diversion.

Debate only works when you are talking to an audience that have open minds. The Republicans have been against this deal before they even saw it. How do you get any more closed minded than that?

In case you haven't looked, Karl Rove is the king of the negative ad. The only way he thinks you can win an election is by using divisive, and hateful rhetoric. Who brought him on the seen? "W". Take a good look at what they have call President Obama! When he responds, he is the problem!

Name calling! That is the sign of a true adult. Keep it up. It suits you well.
More diversion from the troll. Peevish and petulant, but still off base. Please go find some other venue for your whining. :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::cry::cry:

Guest 08-26-2015 05:42 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104540)
This is Mr. List Maker direct quote, "Who was it that said Republicans can sit at the back of the bus?" I posted the actual quote from President Obama, and where it appeared. I also explained why I reference Fox News. I was called a racist. But you just referred to President Obama's actual statement, and said you could argue it was racist. Argue is one thing. A statement of fact is totally different. Your quote was a statement of fact. Holding a person to a direct statement isn't diversion.

Debate only works when you are talking to an audience that have open minds. The Republicans have been against this deal before they even saw it. How do you get any more closed minded than that?

In case you haven't looked, Karl Rove is the king of the negative ad. The only way he thinks you can win an election is by using divisive, and hateful rhetoric. Who brought him on the seen? "W". Take a good look at what they have call President Obama! When he responds, he is the problem!

Name calling! That is the sign of a true adult. Keep it up. It suits you well.
IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL

IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL

That is the subject of this thread. PLEASE start your own thread of just watch tv.

Why do you try and hijack every thread ?

NO...do not answer...another post off topic then. You want to praise Obama and talk about Fox, racists, etc.....START YOUR OWN THREAD

Guest 08-26-2015 07:36 AM
I would like to hear from these pseudo supporters of the Iran deal......why pseudo? Because I think they have no idea what is in the deal or not and are just puppeteering what the party is expressing....it is that simple. And the main tactic of the party is to never address the issue by changing the subject, going back in time to nothing that makes sense, blame somebosy else for something that is not even related and of course the name calling.

It is very simple.
The subject is the Iran deal. You know the one your leader says if you are not for it you are a crazy!!!!!
Why is the deal OK with you?
What benefits does America get from the agreement?
Very simple. Somebody must surely be capable of answering these two simple...SIMPLE.... questions.

And don't bother to state because all the other countries are for it so it must be OK. We all know the benefits they get from the agreement.....has nothing to do with nuclear capability one bit.

We wait with baited breath for the avalanche of responses.

Guest 08-26-2015 08:22 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104624)
I would like to hear from these pseudo supporters of the Iran deal......why pseudo? Because I think they have no idea what is in the deal or not and are just puppeteering what the party is expressing....it is that simple. And the main tactic of the party is to never address the issue by changing the subject, going back in time to nothing that makes sense, blame somebosy else for something that is not even related and of course the name calling.

It is very simple.
The subject is the Iran deal. You know the one your leader says if you are not for it you are a crazy!!!!!
Why is the deal OK with you?
What benefits does America get from the agreement?
Very simple. Somebody must surely be capable of answering these two simple...SIMPLE.... questions.

And don't bother to state because all the other countries are for it so it must be OK. We all know the benefits they get from the agreement.....has nothing to do with nuclear capability one bit.

We wait with baited breath for the avalanche of responses.
Don't expect logic from those with an opposing view of this. You are spot on in this mess. No one wins in this. Even Iran loses because once they strike at Israel, Iran will be turned into a big sheet of glass after being nuked into vapor. Who wins? No one. They are already violating sanctions by jumping the gun and negotiating with Russia for missile purchases. They won't have to produce their own nukes when we give them back their money. They will just purchase them from Russia.

Guest 08-26-2015 12:24 PM
Iran Nuclear Deal! Iran Nuclear Deal! one more time. Iran Nuclear Deal!

Simple question. Simple answer. This agreement stops Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. What do we get out of it? Iran getting a nuclear weapon in a very short period of time. It is that simple.

The 15 years is also nonsense. It would take them another 10 years over the 15 years to build up to the nuclear levels they are currently at.

Simple question why is stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon in 25 years a problem? You can lay them to waste anytime before then. Breaking the deal goes both ways.

Look how many what ifs are in this thread. Logic applies to things that are real, and not "what ifs".

I can throw all the names and insults that you want at me. All I have to do is consider the source. People who refuse to accept anything, but their own beliefs. Nobody can deal with close minded individuals.

Guest 08-26-2015 12:31 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1104751)
Iran Nuclear Deal! Iran Nuclear Deal! one more time. Iran Nuclear Deal!

Simple question. Simple answer. This agreement stops Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. What do we get out of it? Iran getting a nuclear weapon in a very short period of time. It is that simple.

The 15 years is also nonsense. It would take them another 10 years over the 15 years to build up to the nuclear levels they are currently at.

Simple question why is stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon in 25 years a problem? You can lay them to waste anytime before then. Breaking the deal goes both ways.

Look how many what ifs are in this thread. Logic applies to things that are real, and not "what ifs".

I can throw all the names and insults that you want at me. All I have to do is consider the source. People who refuse to accept anything, but their own beliefs. Nobody can deal with close minded individuaNobody can deal with close minded individuals.
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"Nobody can deal with close minded individuals"

Yeah, we all know from your lack of discussing the impact immediately and lack of information on the deal itself, and fear of terrorism in the ME and beginnings of a possible arms race, but then again....we are CRAZY !!!

Guest 08-26-2015 01:54 PM
Yeah, we all know from your lack of discussing the impact immediately and lack of information on the deal itself, and fear of terrorism in the ME and beginnings of a possible arms race, but then again....we are CRAZY !!!

The impact immediately is Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon in the very near future. That is something that you absolutely refuse to accept. I didn't say you were crazy. I said that you were closed minded. Everything you talked about is "what ifs". You can come up with "what ifs" forever.

Does the current roll back the inventory of items necessary to build a bomb? Answer yes
Does the deal trace all possible ways to rebuild the supplies necessary to rebuild a bomb? Answer yes
Are the countries that are holding the great amount of Iranian funds going to go along with the US with new sanctions. Answer No.

A better deal would be for Iran to shut down , and dismantle all the nuclear facilities. Why would they, when they have a current deal? The alternative that the Republicans want is not doable.


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