Originally Posted by gnu

Well SteveZ, I think that we are close to talking about the same thing. Now we are down to semantics.

"We The People" (Hereafter called "The Government") allow The Government (the vehicle that allows "we the people" lower case) to tax us (see previous lower case) for the purposes of the common good.

The common good in what we've been debating is to keep the Government (also known as WTP) from a huge amount of harm, caused by a minority of wtp (lower case) to our WTP monetary system.

It is not a good deal for the majority of the WTP, but the WTP need to protect ourselves from the ongoing effect of the wtp's actions to our economy. The wpt have already done their damage. The debacle is past tense, already complete, the junk dumped in WTP monetary system. WTP must now move on, make sure that wpt can't put WTP in this position again, and protect the WTP from the future harm to our monetary system.

Nice debate Steve. As from this point on "we agree to disagree"

P.S. The quote "crapping" was just bait to keep you engaged in the debate.
It seems to be the favorite tactic for most posters in this Political Forum. Guess it worked.

Bait is not necessary. I truly enjoy a good intellectual exchange. My work has had me take all three positions (Left-Center-Right) on various issues, and it does keep the "little grey cells" firing.

Note that all through these debates, my position about "no $700B" is tied totally to the pretext of giving the money now and worrying about fixes until later. "Later" never comes! If the fixes aren't inclusive with the cash, we WILL be back again, with a much weaker dollar, owing a much larger National Debt, and watching it get even bigger no matter who occupies 1600 PA Ave.

You don't dump more excrement into a broken toilet that has leaked all over the bathroom floor. You fix the toilet first so the floor doesn't get more slippery. I just can't understand a situation where we supposedly know what went wrong, but won't apply some basic systemic fixes concurrent with the cash? You can always add/subtract/modify to the basic fixes, but doing nothing now means nothing will be done later despite all the Congressional/Administration rhetoric. We all know it's true because that's been the history of Congress - VERY short term memory. It's crazy!

Maybe Congressional term limits would help their short term memory

Originally Posted by gnu

Maybe Congressional term limits would help their short term memory

Congress will never vote term limits upon themselves.

My policy is 3 terms for the House and 1 for the Senate. If they try for longer, I just vote for the opponent, no matter what party or position the opponent takes.