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Guest 08-09-2012 04:48 PM

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If you study the polls, the majority of the majority of people who oppose The Affordable Care Act are people over age 65. They have their Medicare, but don't want other people to have health care.

Janmcn: You make a good point. Medicare is a type (hybrid) of Universal Health Care for those 65 and older. Can you imagine not having Medicare? I know that I am opening myself up to criticism from my conservative friends but I have tried to keep an open mind about so called Universal Health Care. I am not a fan of the affordable Care Act but some things make sense to me: First, coverage for pre-existing conditions. Why should a person of modest means have to spend all of his/her life savings on a health problem that an insurance company will not cover? I also like the fact that my Son can keep my grandson on his health policy until he is 26 and finished his education. I don't care for the so called "tax" for not taking out health insurance and I'm afraid of the impact on small business. That was a bad compromise.

I can remember when I was about 14 and my father's place of employment closed. Our family had no health insurance for a while. Lucky it didn't wipe out what little our family possessed.

Finally, most of us who have muddled through the health care system with a complicated health issue have seen first hand what a "mess" the system currently is in. So much paperwork and so much to try and understand in the so called "billing system." When my Mother passed away after a long illness and my sister and I trying to understand what was what---impossible!

Health care is a very complicated subject. We all have our biases and ideology regarding Government involvement in our lives. Besides being a conservative, I am a realist. Obamacare will probably not be abolished even by President Romney. Unless, unless the Senate is also won. I'm hoping that Romney, Advisor's and staff will come up with a viable alternative for Health Care Reform because in my book it is badly needed. "He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help." A. Lincoln

Guest 08-09-2012 05:04 PM

There is a website that I will try to find that will tell the posters on this forum what insurance will cost them under the state exchanges. My sister told me about it, and she found out her $500.00 per month healthcare will be cut by 40%. You just plug in your income and your zip code. Anybody know what it is?

Guest 08-09-2012 05:08 PM

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There is a website that I will try to find that will tell the posters on this forum what insurance will cost them under the state exchanges. My sister told me about it, and she found out her $500.00 per month healthcare will be cut by 40%. You just plug in your income and your zip code. Anybody know what it is?

I understand that Florida, Texas and some other States are refusing to setup Exchanges. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Guest 08-09-2012 05:13 PM

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There is a website that I will try to find that will tell the posters on this forum what insurance will cost them under the state exchanges. My sister told me about it, and she found out her $500.00 per month healthcare will be cut by 40%. You just plug in your income and your zip code. Anybody know what it is?

Do not know if this is what you are looking for but it is a start..

Search Results | Best Health Insurance Plans | US News

Once you enter your info it will direct you to another site

Guest 08-09-2012 05:54 PM

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I understand that Florida, Texas and some other States are refusing to setup Exchanges. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct that Florida is refusing to set up Exchanges, which means the federal government will come in and set them up for them.

Guest 08-10-2012 11:41 AM

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There is a website that I will try to find that will tell the posters on this forum what insurance will cost them under the state exchanges. My sister told me about it, and she found out her $500.00 per month healthcare will be cut by 40%. You just plug in your income and your zip code. Anybody know what it is?

Whenever Congress "helps" with a price decrease of 40% for one group, you can be sure there is an increase of about 80% for the group that is actually working and paying in the taxes.

Guest 08-10-2012 11:45 AM

Faulty.

Guest 08-10-2012 07:01 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 537246)
There is a website that I will try to find that will tell the posters on this forum what insurance will cost them under the state exchanges. My sister told me about it, and she found out her $500.00 per month healthcare will be cut by 40%. You just plug in your income and your zip code. Anybody know what it is?

I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful as I don't know the actual website address but the Washington Post has an interactive function that provides information of what you should expect to pay for health insurance once the exchanges are implemented. You enter your income and family size and it provides information on cost of insurance, cost of deductibles and other relevant features of the ACA. This function often appears on the same page as news stories re: the ACA.

While I am awaiting full implementation in 2014, for 2012 my health insurance costs have been reduced by 13% thanks to the ACA and I am very grateful for that. When my health insurance costs me more than $6000 per year, this 13% reduction is not "chump change" and has only happened thanks to enactment of the ACA. BTW - Two things - 1. This 13% did not come from any taxpayer money but came from the insurance company - and actually as a direct result of what I paid to them. 2. Health insurance costs are second highest (only to my mortgage) is my monthly expenses.

Guest 08-10-2012 07:18 PM

The idea that the government is going to control health care and insurnce combined is a very very scary think. Projection costs already have about double. Doctors in general say they will bail out. Medicare and medicaid willl all be rolled into one plan and people are saying they can await ObamaCare. What can one say that's post modernism thinking:ohdear:

Guest 08-10-2012 07:45 PM

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The idea that the government is going to control health care and insurnce combined is a very very scary think. Projection costs already have about double. Doctors in general say they will bail out. Medicare and medicaid willl all be rolled into one plan and people are saying they can await ObamaCare. What can one say that's post modernism thinking:ohdear:

It sounds as though the scare techniques of the Tea Party has got to you. The statement of "doctors in general say they will bail out" is overblown. The "poll" taken by the Tea Party of doctors at retirement age showed that doctors of retirement age are going to think of retirement. Why not? There are plenty of younger doctors and students in medical schools to take their paces. Do not worry. Do not believe the claptrap from the Tea Party.

Chances are, Rubicon, you will not notice any difference with your healthcare from what you have right now. You get along good now, it will continue. Just think that you cannot be dropped from your health insurance if you get sick or old. That is a very good thing. Lots of plusses will take place for you. You cannot be denied health insurance for pre-existing conditions.

Guest 08-10-2012 08:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 537923)
It sounds as though the scare techniques of the Tea Party has got to you. The statement of "doctors in general say they will bail out" is overblown. The "poll" taken by the Tea Party of doctors at retirement age showed that doctors of retirement age are going to think of retirement. Why not? There are plenty of younger doctors and students in medical schools to take their paces. Do not worry. Do not believe the claptrap from the Tea Party.

Chances are, Rubicon, you will not notice any difference with your healthcare from what you have right now. You get along good now, it will continue. Just think that you cannot be dropped from your health insurance if you get sick or old. That is a very good thing. Lots of plusses will take place for you. You cannot be denied health insurance for pre-existing conditions.

Once again, and nobody seems to care about this, nice benefits maybe, BUT HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT ?????

CBO has already jacked up the cost of this unread bill and it WILL rise and they will tell you that the cost will rise.

Nobody, like children at Christmas, want to address how anyone can afford this law. I have listed what the law says in regards to paying for it on a number of occassions and shown how it is ALL.....ifs and maybes.

If we cannot afford anything now, how do we add this to the country and pay for it. There WILL BE A BILL GUYS !!! IT IS NOT FREE !!!

And just a smattering of comments on Doctors...I sure cant, as you seem to think you can, predict the future but there is concern...

From the Washinton Post..

"he health-care reform law is accelerating a shift away from private practices as doctors, fearful of new costs and regulations, “run for cover” under the protection of large hospitals"

Health-care law driving doctors away from small practices, toward hospital employment - The Washington Post

From CNN....

" When the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act in a 5-4 ruling Thursday, the American Medical Association was quick to release a statement in support of the "historic" decision that will give more people access to health coverage.

But (and there's always a "but") medical professionals across the country are wondering: When an additional 32 million Americans get medical insurance, who exactly is going to treat them?

"We've expressed some concerns before about whether or not we're going to have enough physicians out there," AMA President-Elect Ardis Hoven said.

They have good reason to worry.


Your health care is covered, but who's going to treat you? - CNN.com

And someday, somehow, we need to address in this country what our President said this law would address and it does not, by his own admission.....the actual health care COSTS and TORT reform !

Guest 08-10-2012 11:16 PM

Plenty of doctors left in the US to treat everyone. The 32 million people will not all be seeking healthcare at one time so it is not like having 32 milliion new patients. Anyhow, look at The Villages. We have a fast growing community. About 3 years ago, it was 67,000 and now it is about 89,000. Plenty of doctors here and also lots of specialists. Quite a few from India and other countries and they are all excellent.

Plenty of doctors will still graduate medical school and become healthcare providers.

Do not fall into the brew that the Tea Party tries to scare you with.

The attached link also tells some alternatives that are very interesting.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/...ors/index.html


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