I think in the end the Democrats are going to be sorry they opened this can of worms by challenging the great young Congressman from Florida.

They're going to have a hard time parsing words in separating the Congressional Progressive Caucus from it's platform with it's socialist (communist?) ideals.

This is a dialogue I'm sure the Democrats won't want to have at this point in the campaign.

"How plausible is it that such a sizable percentage of Democrats in the House of Representatives really prefer a centrally planned economy to a free market economy? "

Think about it...........

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010...-their-caucus/

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/1...mmunist-party/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/ne.../posts?page=11

wait until we get closer to the election and watch the pattern!

btk

I am very disappointed in this attempt of a reply from you. It is far beneath your capabilities and you certainly can do a lot better. This basically sounds like an attempt in a half-hearted manner just for the sake of a reply. Put some clear thought in your posts and you will be more respected.

I want to make something very clear to those have called this man West something less than a hero.....

I consider, despite those of you who disagree, any man who served to protect this country to be a hero !!!!

Bucco,

I am sure Senator John Kerry and former Senator Max Cleland thank you for your recognition of them as heroes. I know I thank you for recognizing me as a hero for my service.

You're kidding, right? Well I guess this proves I'm on the right track when an avowed lefty like you expresses dismay at my post.

Clear thought??; the reds have come through the gate and are sitting in our House. Is that clear enough.

I find it illuminating that the CPUSA expressed outrage that anybody think a commie might be sitting in the left wing of Congress. I would expect them to say "What's wrong with that, if true?"; but no, they expressed outrage.

If any protests too much, it's them; and who are they covering for. Look at my links; there's 70 names of socialists in Congress in 2010.

"I want you to know how difficult it is for me to in anyway agree with Barney Frank who is in my opinion...never mind"

If this isn't an implied opinion of Frank I'd like to know what you call it? And yes, I do read well enough to have seen that you did in fact take exception to the to the comments of the 2012 version of Joe McCarthy.

Most people should be able to see through this garbage.
 

The uber-conservatives are sounding like a large group of drones who have just been kicked out of the bee nest. Buzz, buzz, but with no stinger and they just fly away with Allen West at the lead.

Ann Coulter is happy with these drones and her bank account is even happier. Hey, I bet Ann doesn't pay income tax based on her drone investments!

socialist
 

do you consider socialism akin to communism? it should be possible to google Democratic Socialist Party and find about 70 members of congress are members. the ideology is definitely anti-capitalism under any name.

It is not Communism though and does not have the connotations that seeing red would have.

Do you mean this group chachacha-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democra...sts_of_America?

I could not actually find a "Democratic Socialist Party" in the U.S.

It looks like WorldNetDaily is the source of this number. WorldNetDaily - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And, they talk about the Democratic Socialists of America. http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

This is a good article about the difference between "socialism," "communism," and "liberalism." http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...jonah-goldberg

"Here’s my problem. Socialism isn’t the scare word Weigel and others (David Frum comes to mind) say it is. I will be honest and admit that I wish it was more of a scare word than it is, but it’s really not one. I don’t think Americans think of gulags, bread lines and Red Dawn when they hear the word 'socialist.' They think of those things when they hear the word 'Communist,' which is a different thing than socialism (or at least that’s what every book on the subject and every sincere democratic socialist I’ve ever spoken to says)." From the above Jonah Goldberg article.

Jonah Goldberg is saying he wishes that "socialism" was a "scare word" for people, but admits that it's not.

I agree with Mr. Goldberg that I would love it if more people recognized that the great murderous regimes of the 20th century all did their killing in the name of one flavor or another of socialism.

As Mr. Goldberg also opines in his essay; "can an American liberal explain what exactly differentiates the goals, ambitions and/or philosophical drives of, say, the liberal wing of the Democratic Party from European social democrats? Is there anything fundamental to social democracy that Nancy Pelosi (forget Obama for the moment) disagrees with because she is a liberal and not a “socialist”? Is there anything Nancy Pelosi believes about the role of the state that would cause the average Swedish or British social democrat to object?"

Richie begins with the premise that Stalin's Russia was a Communist regime. It wasn't. It was a Facist regime. They are NOT the same thing at all.

Joseph Stalin was a corrupt bureaucrat that warped the Socialist ideals of Marx and Lenin (and other Marxists) into a totalitarian regime where the state controlled absolutely everything. Communism by default is highly against a state even existing. Stalin was not a Communist or a Socialist by any means. He was a fascist and used force to control everyone and everything.

The only difference between Stalin and Hitler was Stalin did not kill people because they were of a certain race. Hitler was a facist who tried eliminating Jews, Poles, homosexuals, Poles, and others.

Well whichever one of these socialist regimes or philosophies is closest to the Democrat Party is immaterial.

They all are anti-American in philosophy and ideals, as is the present day Democrat Party.

I will stand corrected if wrong, but both are typically government control and anti capitalism.

"Anti-american in philosophy and ideals".

Not sure what you mean with this. I would say that the US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and The Federalist Papers represent the Founding Fathers thoughts and ideals.

Many readers have labelled them "socialist" when asked on the street where certain quotes come from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Papers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton

I wonder what Allen West would do with Alexander Hamilton's ideas? They do look very much like those found in some "socialist" writings.

All of these railings and the uber-conservatives are still gladly accepting their Social Security checks every month and their Medicare treatments. Ask them and they say, "we paid for them". Pull up your big boy pants and accept the fact, you are in favor of socialism when it benefits you.

Without Social Security, a goodly portion of you wuber-conservatives would probably be sitting by the side of the hiway underpass in your home of a refrigerator carton because you saved NOTHING during your working career.

All of you should be thanking Social Security for your checks every month and you will probably draw out much more than you every put in the system.

I would say that Allen West, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum are prime examples of what is wrong with America at the present day.

Don't worry about a socialist program - worry about fanatics like those people I mentioned.

Absolutely right on. :ho:

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

Your "many readers" are quite ignorant.

Ridiculous argument. Nobody has a choice in their participation into this program which was scammed into practice as an "insurance program" and then unconscionably transformed in it's present day "entitlement" by the "Godfather of Socialist Democrats"

Money was forcibly extracted from the paychecks of every working American to fund this "insurance program/entitlement" with the promise that they would get back this money on retirement.

I know I've won the Socialist argument with a Socialist Democrat when they bring up Social Security.

I am sure that insulting the greatest percentage of Village residents was your intent and you accomplished that.

WOW...knowing that SS does not come from income tax but only from those who work in payroll taxes really makes your insult to all that worked hard all their life even more bitter to take.

How you folks are so wise and know all the stuff you pronounce is just astounding....I suppose insulting people is reserved for those of you who simply KNOW it all....I find the insult and the accompanying agreements and rounds of applause quite telling.

This statement "Without Social Security, a goodly portion of you wuber-conservatives would probably be sitting by the side of the hiway underpass in your home of a refrigerator carton because you saved NOTHING during your working career." should really put the majority of Villages residents on notice that you are on to them.

I should have watched my Democrat workmates to see how it is done.

Wrong Again, Richie. It is amazing that these rantings by the wuber-conservatives always hinge on the same thing. "I had to pay but it was not fair." You know in your little heart (on the left side of your chest) that if it was not for Social Security that many, many of (yes) your fellow ranters would not be retired today but still working because they did not save money.

It is always fun to hear your rants, Richie, keep it up. Looking forward to seeing you soon at the watering hole so we can talk about this in person over an ice-cold Yeungling. Laughing is healthy and you are keeping me healthy!:1rotfl:

Do you mean Teddy or Franklin Delano Roosevelt as the "Godfather of Social Democrats"?

New Nationalism Speech by Theodore Roosevelt

http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.co...democracy.html

http://www.ssa.gov/history/fdrstmts.html

Of course you have a choice for participating in the program. In fact, you have a perfect opportunity now that you are 62 (from your TOTV profile) to show us all what what a fool you are by simply not applying for Social Security now that you're becoming eligible. Or, apply and we'll know what a hypocrite you are.

I hope that someday some folks will come on here and talk about the things that are important instead of taking personal cheap shots at other posters or those in the news.

Probably not going to happen....suppose there is much to be gained within yourself by making fun.....oh well

Bucco,
Can you honestly tell me that Social Security is not a good thing? Can you honestly tell me you believe that all or most all Americans would have saved a good portion of their monthly paycheck and would have enough money saved to carry them comfortably from retirement until death? Social security is a safety net. Some people live entirely on it in retirement, though.

Social Security also provides for living expenses for widows and children.

What would you propose for those that did not do so? Would you be content to see them penniless and homeless? No, you would not as that would be inhumane and callous.

You should take me on my invite to join RichieLion and a few others at the watering hole for light discussion and ice-cold Yeunglings.

All I can HONESTLY say is...I dont know how it would be without it.

I was given no choice and thus as I aged it became part of my planning and I would assume those who you have attacked and assailed on here because they collect SS would have done the same.

When a president proposed a discussion on choice of how this is done, he was ridiculed and laughed at, so I cannot answer your question as it was part of what the government took and promised in return. No choice came my way on it and it was part of my retirement planning.

Why you find it necessary to attack folks on this issue as if they had a choice is beyond me. I am betting most are in the same boat as me...nobody asked..government mandated it..thus I used it in my planning.

Not only did it become part of MY planning but it became part of my company's planning for my retirement income. At age 65, my retirement income went down by the amount that SS was going to pay me at age 65.

The same with Medicare. When I turned 65, Medicare became my primary health insurance and my company provided health insurance became my secondary health insurance.

To me it is an entitlement only if you did not work and deposit large sums of money into SS and Medicare all of your working life and all you do is put your hand out and say "Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!"

Still ridiculous and off subject. This addressing of Social Security, which you brought into this discussion, was on the nature of it, period.

Whether I would have used the money to better purpose is irrelevant to this discussion in the context in which you initiated it.

So, we're back to diversion and ridicule when the absence of facts don't support your contentions. (I am addressing all lefties here, and not just you)

Your deviation from your own point is a bit laughable.